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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GGGG on December 09, 2014, 12:53:42 PM
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Per Twitter
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/542391446314418176
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Knew Dawson was leaving, but Deonte surprised me, being a local kid. Wow.
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Well then. Down to 8 guys. Not really concerned about Dawson, but Burton....wow
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Yeah, not surprised on Dawson. But Burton? I would have never guessed that a couple months ago, but it may not be that surprising. I don't think his game fits what Wojo wants to do.
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That's dissapointing. Oh well. Future is still bright as f*xk
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Sigh
This is disheartening news. Of course, I wish them all the best.
I hope that Wojo doesn't severely restrict their transfer list.
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Really shocking to see Burton go. Definitely my favorite player to watch; it is a shame to see.
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who's twitter account is that?
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Three scholarships now available next year. I would hope that at least one of these is for a graduate transfer or Juco that can play immediately.
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who's twitter account is that?
Marquette's official mens basketball account.
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This is distressing news regarding Burton's intended departure.
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Surprised .... but maybe shouldn't be. Deonte has looked kind of lost out there this year and maybe there wasn't much PT in his future at MU.
I'm sure he'll do well if he finds himself in a good situation elsewhere.
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So they're gone for the second half of the season?
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This is distressing news regarding Burton's intended departure.
Although, I am not shocked fully. Once I learned of his family situation I realized that might be the only thing tying him to here. I wish both of them success wherever they go unless they are playing against Marquette.
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http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/120914aaa.html
Burton leaving just blew me out of the water....
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I think this is the first time since Mbakwe that I'm legitimately disheartened by a transfer leaving. I really think Burton is going to be something special.
Best of luck to the both of them. They have been fantastic members of the Marquette community. I hope they find places they can call home.
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any indication on what schools they unable to transfer to?
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Burton is not Wojo's type of player. Very talented no doubt and he will have success, but he was as much of a Buzz guy as you could find. And Wojo's ideal of how the game should be played is much different from Buzz's. Which is why we have seen the difficulties we have so far early in this season with guys just like Burton.
Again, stinks because Burton has talent, but at the same time he doesn't fit what Wojo is trying to do/isn't the type of player Wojo is looking for.
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2 consecutive seasons watching Derrick Wilson rack up 32+ mpg while you're virtually glued to the pine would make anyone want to transfer. Should be interesting to see where both end up. Disappointing.
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I think this is the first time since Mbakwe that I'm legitimately disheartened by a transfer leaving. I really think Burton is going to be something special.
What has shown you that, outside of the BET game last year?
The kid hasn't been able to be coached by two head coaches now. Unable, or unwilling, to rebound or grasp elementary defensive concepts. If another coach can reach him, good for both of them. I'd rather have Wojo get his guys in sooner rather than later.
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Opens a schollie for Stone... ;) just sayin'... 8-)
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Well I know Burton's contributions so far this season have been less than was expected, but most of us assumed/hoped it had to do with his personal loss of family. I think most of us knew that for us to be successful enough to sniff the tournament we needed an improved Burton regardless of Fisher's impact.
This makes this season truly difficult moving forward IMO.
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any indication on what schools they unable to transfer to?
Nothing so far. My guess is that it will only be BE schools.
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I was just hoping they were only Transer'n.
Transfer it is. Best of luck then.
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Opens a schollie for Stone... ;) just sayin'... 8-)
Already was a schollie open for Stone... ;) just sayin'... 8-)
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Woof. Hard hit, but Deonte seemed disinterested so far this year. A shell of himself. Dawson is no surprise.
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Disappointed, but not surprised. I don't think either would be here had Wojo been in charge of our 2013 recruiting class. Best of luck to both guys, hope they land on their feet.
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Nothing so far. My guess is that it will only be BE schools.
I would guess so as well.
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My guess is Deonte ends up at Iowa St and Dawson heads back to New Mexico.
Man, does it suck to see Deonte go.
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Does this now officially change the Derrick/Dawson debate to the Derrick/JJJ or Cohen debate?
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Hard to tell if this was more Deonte or Wojo but Burton may have seen his minutes getting drastically cut with the additions of Fischer, Heldt, Ellenson and others over the next 2 years.
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Unless four players foul out, these moves will have little effect on the rest of this season. Dawson wasn't playing, and Burton was awful in the limited minutes he got.
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Hard to tell if this was more Deonte or Wojo but Burton may have seen his minutes getting drastically cut with the additions of Fischer, Heldt, Ellenson and others over the next 2 years.
This.
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Burton is not Wojo's type of player. Very talented no doubt and he will have success, but he was as much of a Buzz guy as you could find. And Wojo's ideal of how the game should be played is much different from Buzz's. Which is why we have seen the difficulties we have so far early in this season with guys just like Burton.
Again, stinks because Burton has talent, but at the same time he doesn't fit what Wojo is trying to do/isn't the type of player Wojo is looking for.
Not sure why so many are so shocked. It has been very clear that DB is not a Wojo guy and vice versa.
I'll trust Wojo on upgrade.
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Can we even go 5-5 in practice now?
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I feel bad for Burton.Great talent but was never taught the game.He looks lost on the defensive end.A high school player is very fortunate if they have a good High School coach.Give me John McGuire,Paul Noack,Bob Letsch,Gene Pingatore,Bob Hurley and Tom Diener.Most of there players have been taught well.
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Anyone think they may go to VT...?
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
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I think this is the first time since Mbakwe that I'm legitimately disheartened by a transfer leaving. I really think Burton is going to be something special.
Best of luck to the both of them. They have been fantastic members of the Marquette community. I hope they find places they can call home.
Thank you so much...... Its appreciated very much.. Its been fun.
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Anyone think they may go to VT...?
Dawson? No. Burton? Possibly - and I would be fine with that.
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Grades?
Deonte was sticking around for his mom. Maybe there's nothing tethering him to the city anymore.
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Hard to tell if this was more Deonte or Wojo but Burton may have seen his minutes getting drastically cut with the additions of Fischer, Heldt, Ellenson and others over the next 2 years.
I doubt that. He's a 2. Those guys are 4 and 5s.
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Not sure why so many are so shocked. It has been very clear that DB is not a Wojo guy and vice versa.
I'll trust Wojo on upgrade.
I'm shocked because I was under the impression that Wojo was able to work with what he had.
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
I would think it has to do with defense. I can't think of any other aspect of Deonte's game that would be limiting his minutes this much, especially in a shorthanded rotation.
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
I think Burton is dribble-drive, "paint touches" type of player. I think Wojo wants more floor spacing and shooting ability. If you look at the players he is bringing it, I think they generally fit that mold.
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
Thanks for this post.
Defaulting to 'doesn't fit what Wojo is looking for' is intentionally turning a blind eye to the reality that a young, still developing and talented player is leaving the program.
I'm one who believes that despite Wojo's petigree, MU will never recruit with the likes of Duke/Kentucky/Kansas/etc. and is inclined to believe that recruiting the best players from your geographical area and keeping them here is important.
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Can we even go 5-5 in practice now?
4-4 plus coaches
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I doubt that. He's a 2. Those guys are 4 and 5s.
Problem is, Deonte isn't a two. He's arguably a three. He plays on the offensive end more like a four in the body of a 2/3. On the defensive end ... he has no position.
In the right system, he can excel offensively. But Wojo's system apparently is not that system.
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
Deonte is a great athlete but I'm not sure he's a great basketball player. The guys we are recruiting seem to have received great coaching. The one real chance Deonte had at that was Brewster and he didn't last long at all. I think this is one more example of the cultural shift we are undergoing.
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Grades?
Deonte was sticking around for his mom. Maybe there's nothing tethering him to the city anymore.
Kinda thinking the same thing, that Deonte might feel he has no reason to be in MKE anymore.
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No way Deonte is a 2G.He size says he should be a 2G but his skills are know where near good enough to be a 2.
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Wow. Just got word. Good luck gentlemen.
So we have 3 open schollys? There simply have to be Juco's or Grad transfers in that mix. Can't possibly want 7 Frosh on next year's team.
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Thanks for this post.
Defaulting to 'doesn't fit what Wojo is looking for' is intentionally turning a blind eye to the reality that a young, still developing and talented player is leaving the program
Who is turning a blind eye? I don't think Wojo is generally interested in players with his type of game. That isn't an excuse. I wish it could have worked. But it didn't.
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I doubt that. He's a 2. Those guys are 4 and 5s.
Deonte's a 2? No way, at least not yet. That's his position in the NBA, but he's a very long shot for that at this juncture.
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I think Burton is dribble-drive, "paint touches" type of player. I think Wojo wants more floor spacing and shooting ability. If you look at the players he is bringing it, I think they generally fit that mold.
Agree with this. The ability to play defense better Than I could is obviously also desireable in the eyes of Wojo.
In the end he's kind of a guy without a position. Just can't guard the guys he would necessarily have to match up with, so he can't be on the floor. Its a good move for him and for MU.
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Deonte is a great athlete but I'm not sure he's a great basketball player. The guys we are recruiting seem to have received great coaching. The one real chance Deonte had at that was Brewster and he didn't last long at all. I think this is one more example of the cultural shift we are undergoing.
I can see that. I noted to myself a while back how Wojo's recruits seem to lack the hyper-athleticism of Buzz's recruits but make up for that with more general basketball IQ. Definitely a cultural shift.
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Keep playing a scrub like Juan Anderson instead of a better player with more upside like Burton and this is what you get.
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4-4 plus coaches
5-4 with Wally
Maybe a transfer in is coming like Fischer last year?
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Keep playing a scrub like Juan Anderson instead of a better player with more upside like Burton and this is what you get.
It took 3 pages but I knew we would get one eventually
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
IQ, teachability, growth.
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
Matador D
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Who is turning a blind eye? I don't think Wojo is generally interested in players with his type of game. That isn't an excuse. I wish it could have worked. But it didn't.
Sultan, it implies that had Wojo wanted him here he'd still be here. This could be 100% Burton's decision and Wojo could have done everything in his power to keep him here for all we know.
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It took 3 pages but I knew we would get one eventually
I know. Please. Let's show some respect.
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Keep playing a scrub like Juan Anderson instead of a better player with more upside like Burton and this is what you get.
So is MU worse off in the long-run (only thing that matters) because a player that clearly didn't fit what the coach wanted to do is transferring out. I guess I don't see anyway to answer yes to that. Just opened up a scholarship to use on a guy that likely will fit in better.
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To Deonte and John, thank you for all of your contributions and best of luck at your next school. We will be rooting for ya!
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This is going to kill the Derrick Wilson minutes discussion on this board (Dear God, please help it kill the Derrick Wilson minutes discussion on this board.).
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As Aaron Rodgers said RELAX.Burton is a great athlete right now,but not a very good basketball player yet.Has no idea on the defensive end.His skill set is not good enough to play the perimeter.He is an undersized 4 man,just like Maymon was.I wish him the best.
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Good chance one of these could be filled by a JUCO transfer.
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Sultan, it implies that had Wojo wanted him here he'd still be here. This could be 100% Burton's decision and Wojo could have done everything in his power to keep him here for all we know.
Maybe, but Deonte's lack of playing time is the surest indication there is of how Wojo believes he fits in with what he wants to do. I doubt Wojo thought it would be ideal to play out the rest of the season with eight players - so in all likelihood he wanted Deonte to stay, at least through the end of the season - but it's also apparent that Wojo wasn't going to give Deonte minutes for the purpose of keeping him in the fold.
That's not intended as a dig on either person. Not every player is right for every coach, and vice versa.
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Sultan, it implies that had Wojo wanted him here he'd still be here. This could be 100% Burton's decision and Wojo could have done everything in his power to keep him here for all we know.
It doesn't imply anything of the sort. A player can come to the same conclusion - that how the coach wants him to play isn't a match for his skills or isn't how he wants to play the game.
I have no doubt at all that Wojo would have kept Deonte.
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Do we have enough players to field a team?
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Obviously I dont know the details, but I sincerely hope that Wojo isn't setting the Vincent-MU bridge ablaze.
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
He was a 6'3-1/2" post player. Mediocre jump shot, explosive at the rim, but couldn't defend, couldn't rebound and was lost in a half court set. My guess is Wojo wants a shooter/defender that is good in transition or a post player that can control the boards.
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I'm heartbroken.
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I don't think it's fair to say that Deonte doesn't fit what Wojo wants.
Wojo presumably wants good basketball players. Deonte has a lot of talent and can be a good player.
With this said, Deonte's not very good right now, and his personal life has taken some big hits.
Might be best for him to get a fresh start. Maybe even take spring semester off, and start fresh in the fall on a new campus.
Met him a couple of times and he's a very nice kid.
Best of luck to him!
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Obviously I dont know the details, but I sincerely hope that Wojo isn't setting the Vincent-MU bridge ablaze.
There's a Vincent-MU bridge?
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Obviously I dont know the details, but I sincerely hope that Wojo isn't setting the Vincent-MU bridge ablaze.
Good grief. Its one player who was brought in here by a different coach, that didn't appear to fit the new coach's style.
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Keep playing a scrub like Juan Anderson instead of a better player with more upside like Burton and this is what you get.
Nah man. Anderson has been one of our best contributors this season. You could play them both together no problem. Duane, Carlino, Burton, Anderson, Taylor or Fischer. But I really can't imagine what Deonte was thinking as he watched in horror as a guy with Derrick's game racked up 33+ mpg game after game after game after game while he sat on the pine watching the nightmare unfold.
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There's a Vincent-MU bridge?
One off the beaten path and very lightly traveled.
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Nah man. Anderson has been one of our best contributors this season. You could play them both together no problem. Duane, Carlino, Burton, Anderson, Taylor or Fischer. But I really can't imagine what Deonte was thinking as he watched in horror as a guy with Derrick's game racked up 33+ mpg game after game after game after game while he sat on the pine watching the nightmare unfold.
Well if he had any sense at all, he was thinking, "man, I have got to learn to play some defense."
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Nah man. Anderson has been one of our best contributors this season. You could play them both together no problem. Duane, Carlino, Burton, Anderson, Taylor or Fischer. But I really can't imagine what Deonte was thinking as he watched in horror as a guy with Derrick's game racked up 33+ mpg game after game after game after game while he sat on the pine watching the nightmare unfold.
This would have some semblance of an analogy, if, you know, Burton played PG.
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I'm going to miss all of the Bane references. :'(
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One off the beaten path and very lightly traveled.
Be glad ST is sticking around. We wouldn't want to sabotage the Simeon to Marquette pipeline.
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Three scholarships now available next year. I would hope that at least one of these is for a graduate transfer or Juco that can play immediately.
Unfortunately, how much talent is still available, or has Wojo already been pursuing. Maybe Burton will transfer to El Buzzo.
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Obviously I dont know the details, but I sincerely hope that Wojo isn't setting the Vincent-MU bridge ablaze.
Vincent is 0-5 and just got beat by Division 4 Brookfield Academy. Not much there, or in the cupboard. I wouldn't think there is any concern about that bridge -- the city's best players are going to King, Riverside and Washington.
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Maybe, but Deonte's lack of playing time is the surest indication there is of how Wojo believes he fits in with what he wants to do. I doubt Wojo thought it would be ideal to play out the rest of the season with eight players - so in all likelihood he wanted Deonte to stay, at least through the end of the season - but it's also apparent that Wojo wasn't going to give Deonte minutes for the purpose of keeping him in the fold.
That's not intended as a dig on either person. Not every player is right for every coach, and vice versa.
Well, the minutes have to be earned.
I LOVE Deonte, but he wasn't very good so far this year. Tough to just hand him more minutes.
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unnatural carnal knowledgeing brutal. Not surprised or all that disappointed by Dawson, but Burton???? Fuuuuuuckkkk is right. He is my favorite guy on the team.
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There is no positive way to spin this one. This year has just gone from hopeful to dispair.
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Can we even go 5-5 in practice now?
While I am tepted to make a comment here about 4 on 5, I will keep my pledge and not go there.
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I guess we just traded Bane for Luke in terms of minutes.
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I know. Please. Let's show some respect.
Yes, we must respect the process.
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No more posters...
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There is no positive way to spin this one. This year has just gone from hopeful to dispair.
Define hopeful. Two guys who never played transferred out, and we are now adding a highly regarded prospect in Fischer, and suddenly we've gone from hope to despair? How is MU truly any worse off than they were an hour ago.
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Burton is not Wojo's type of player. Very talented no doubt and he will have success, but he was as much of a Buzz guy as you could find. And Wojo's ideal of how the game should be played is much different from Buzz's. Which is why we have seen the difficulties we have so far early in this season with guys just like Burton.
Again, stinks because Burton has talent, but at the same time he doesn't fit what Wojo is trying to do/isn't the type of player Wojo is looking for.
Completely agree.
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Yes, we must respect the process.
You rang?
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I know hindsight is 20/20, but if you watched Deonte the past few games on the bench, you can just sense something wasn't right. Not really going to speculate too much, but you can tell he just wasn't into it. Body language was not very positive and was kinda just 'there'. This outcome was kinda of looming in the back of my mind, but never really wanted to believe it. Don't blame anyone in this situation...it is what it is and hope for the best for both parties.
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Dawson, we all had an inkling. Burton, blindsided. Where were our so-called posters with sources when we needed them? LOL.
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He was a 6'3-1/2" post player. Mediocre jump shot, explosive at the rim, but couldn't defend, couldn't rebound and was lost in a half court set. My guess is Wojo wants a shooter/defender that is good in transition or a post player that can control the boards.
Wow. Last year this guy was an early entrant into the NBA and most of the board ripped Buzz for not giving him 30 mpg. With our entire front court gone this year he couldn't get minutes under Wojo. He tranfers and he's no big loss. Really?
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Not happy about this--better get out the silver linings playbook, and start stroking the juju.
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Dawson, we all had an inkling. Burton, blindsided. Where were our so-called posters with sources when we needed them? LOL.
You really seem to have a hard time understanding that if someone with a source reveals their source, the well often times dries up.
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To those who say Deonte didn't fit what Wojo was looking for- what exactly is the mold Wojo is looking for, and what about Deonte didn't fit that mold?
Being a 6'4" power forward. Never beat the big boys that way.
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Dawson, we all had an inkling. Burton, blindsided.
I don't get why. This comes as absolutely no surprise to me.
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Right on brandx.You nailed it
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This would have some semblance of an analogy, if, you know, Burton played PG.
Well we've been running a 3 guard offense this year. Run a standard two guard offense with Duane & Carlino instead, then a lot of minutes open elsewhere.
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Being a 6'4" power forward. Never beat the big boys that way.
I don't think that's fair or accurate.
Deonte has shown the potential to be a very good college combo forward.
He's not very good this season, but that doesn't mean he's automatically a bad player.
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Obviously I dont know the details, but I sincerely hope that Wojo isn't setting the Vincent-MU bridge ablaze.
Who cares? Talk about a high school program going down hill and being poorly coached...
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He doesn't have the skill set to play any of the 3 perimeter positions.That is the problem.He is an undersized 4 man.
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He doesn't have the skill set YET to play any of the 3 perimeter positions.That is the problem.He is an undersized 4 man.
I'm not saying Deonte is magically going to be an all-conf. SF tomorrow, but the idea that his entire fate is based upon being an undersized 4 is short sighted.
He's an explosive athlete that needs more development on both ends of the floor.
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Wow. Shocked about Burton. Sad to see him go, as I really liked watching him play.
Will be very interesting to see what Wojo does. I loved Burton, but it probably doesn't change my expectation for this year.
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It's very possible that with the passing of his mother, Deonte just wants to get away from Milwaukee for a while. IIRC, he chose MU over Illinois. Perhaps he'll join Milwaukee-native Bruce Weber at K-State.
Where ever both of these young men end up, I wish them the best.
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I don't think that's fair or accurate.
Deonte has shown the potential to be a very good college combo forward.
He's not very good this season, but that doesn't mean he's automatically a bad player.
I didn't mean to infer he is is a bad player. I think he is good enough to score 15+ and help a mid-major win a conference title. But one of the things I like to say is "you are what you can defend". And Deonte won't ever be able to defend a '2' or a '3' adequately at a high level.
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Hopeful = team has been playing tremendous defense and has the possibility of winning at least some of its league games. Burton is a freakish athlete
that isn't your typical bench warmer. He will develop into a significant scorer for some team and has the talent to take over a game.
Despair = 8 players without even a walk-on runs an incredible risk with regard to fouls, injuries, options. One walking boot to a one of our bigs is
more than a problem.
I wish Deonte well. Has to be more to the story. The young guy has had a tough semester with the loss of his Mom. One thing he does need is a team that supports him. Too bad.
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I'm not saying Deonte is magically going to be an all-conf. SF tomorrow, but the idea that his entire fate is based upon being an undersized 4 is short sighted.
He's an explosive athlete that needs more development on both ends of the floor.
There was a lot of good riddance sentiment regarding Maymon with people saying he'd never get it. Maymon spent the last 50-60 games of his career being a valuable contributor for Tennessee. I agree with you and can't quite understand why so many people here are pooh-poohing the idea that Burton could be a valuable college player in the future.
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There is no positive way to spin this one. This year has just gone from hopeful to dispair.
Deonte was playing 16 mostly ineffective minutes per game off the bench.
I'm sad to see him go, too, and I don't think this helps MU at all this season, but he wasn't exactly the key to the team's success.
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You really seem to have a hard time understanding that if someone with a source reveals their source, the well often times dries up.
Not at all. I'm just not willing to blindly accept unequivocal statements without some idea of how credible the sourcing is. Not the poster, the sourcing.
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There was a lot of good riddance sentiment regarding Maymon with people saying he'd never get it. Maymon spent the last 50-60 games of his career being a valuable contributor for Tennessee. I agree with you and can't quite understand why so many people here are pooh-poohing the idea that Burton could be a valuable college player in the future.
No pooh-poohing here. What I saw of Burton last season was a lot of potential. He showed none of that this season. Coaching or coachability?
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I didn't mean to infer he is is a bad player. I think he is good enough to score 15+ and help a mid-major win a conference title. But one of the things I like to say is "you are what you can defend". And Deonte won't ever be able to defend a '2' or a '3' adequately at a high level.
I guess right now, I agree. I still see upside and a lot of development in his game.
I think he can become a good combo forward.
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He doesn't have the skill set to play any of the 3 perimeter positions.That is the problem.He is an undersized 4 man.
Gotta disagree here.
In limited attempts last season he shot better from 3 than JJJ (.290), Anderson (.192), Taylor (.154) or Wilson (.071). Of the players returning who took less than 40 3pt attempts he shot significantly better than every 1-3 position returning to the roster.
He averaged more rebounds per 40 minutes than Derrick, Mayo, Dawson, Thomas, or JJJ - in other words the only players to out rebound him were our bigs that played more minutes (Gardner, Otule, Jamil, Anderson)
His limitations this season for the most part is BECAUSE he's forced to play out of position. He would be fine at the 3 if we had the bodies inside to allow him to use his physical advantages over others at the position.
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My bet it Burton to Iowa State the school for broken toys.
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After Odartey Blankson transferred a week after being named captain, no transfer surprises me anymore.
Good luck to both young men. John, we'll always have the Georgetown game. Deonte, your dunks were fun to watch and Wally Ellenson will have to pick up the slack. The past two dunk contests, especially your duel with Wally, were very entertaining.
I think both will go on to be solid players at their next stop. I also think Wojo will find some pieces to keep MU moving on an upward trajectory.
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It doesn't imply anything of the sort. A player can come to the same conclusion - that how the coach wants him to play isn't a match for his skills or isn't how he wants to play the game.
I have no doubt at all that Wojo would have kept Deonte.
I don't think so. I think Buzz and Wojio want two completely different types of players.
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My bet it Burton to Iowa State the school for broken toys.
keep in mind the "school of broken toys" is 13/14 in the polls with 1 loss. We have 3 losses, and are not projected to make the tournament
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keep in mind the "school of broken toys" is 13/14 in the polls with 1 loss. We have 3 losses, and are not projected to make the tournament
Actually, we have 4 losses.
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Gotta disagree here.
In limited attempts last season he shot better from 3 than JJJ (.290), Anderson (.192), Taylor (.154) or Wilson (.071). Of the players returning who took less than 40 3pt attempts he shot significantly better than every 1-3 position returning to the roster.
He averaged more rebounds per 40 minutes than Derrick, Mayo, Dawson, Thomas, or JJJ - in other words the only players to out rebound him were our bigs that played more minutes (Gardner, Otule, Jamil, Anderson)
His limitations this season for the most part is BECAUSE he's forced to play out of position. He would be fine at the 3 if we had the bodies inside to allow him to use his physical advantages over others at the position.
With the addition of Luke, and the size next year, it would appear he's the one being short-sighted.
Still doesn't address the most glaring deficiency in his game right now: defense.
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Why is it called the school of broken toys?
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Not at all. I'm just not willing to blindly accept unequivocal statements without some idea of how credible the sourcing is. Not the poster, the sourcing.
Then don't. Nobody will care.
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Why is it called the school of broken toys?
Because at least half the team is made up of transfers, including our own Jameel McKay.
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I don't think so. I think Buzz and Wojio want two completely different types of players.
Maybe so but not at mid-season with 3 D1 bodies on the bench.
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Deonte was playing 16 mostly ineffective minutes per game off the bench.
I'm sad to see him go, too, and I don't think this helps MU at all this season, but he wasn't exactly the key to the team's success.
Yep. Deonte just did not have it going this season.
I would really love to know what is going on in practice. Clearly Dawson is not a suprise. Burton at least was playing.
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Gotta disagree here.
In limited attempts last season he shot better from 3 than JJJ (.290), Anderson (.192), Taylor (.154) or Wilson (.071)
He averaged more rebounds per 40 minutes than Derrick, Mayo, Dawson, Thomas, or JJJ - in other words the only players to out rebound him were our bigs that played more minutes (Gardner, Otule, Jamil, Anderson)
His limitations this season for the most part is BECAUSE he's forced to play out of position. He would be fine at the 3 if we had the bodies inside to allow him to use his physical advantages over others at the position.
He's pretty raw as a SF, and the further he gets from the basket, the more apparent it gets.
He needs time to refine his game.
But, that's doesn't mean he's only a PF, and it doesn't mean he cant be a very good player at a high major.
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So they're both basically blowing a year of eligibility for this, correct?
Assuming they both transfer after the semester, they'll only have 1.5 years of eligibility left.
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Because at least half the team is made up of transfers, including our own Jameel McKay.
Didnt Buzz do virtually the same thing?
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Didnt Buzz do virtually the same thing?
No. Whole different level.
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So they're both basically blowing a year of eligibility for this, correct?
Assuming they both transfer after the semester, they'll only have 1.5 years of eligibility left.
Yup. Thogh they could sit out all of next year and have 2 full seasons of eligibility.
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Maybe so but not at mid-season with 3 D1 bodies on the bench.
Maybe, but this is Wojo's team and it's going to be his players and they're going to play the want he wants or they can leave.
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Geez, they're fast....gomarquette already has the roster updated.
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He's pretty raw as a SF, and the further he gets from the basket, the more apparent it gets.
He needs time to refine his game.
But, that's doesn't mean he's only a PF, and it doesn't mean he's can be a very good player at a high major.
Except he only has 3 semesters of eligibility left. Of course he is going to be (likely) coached by someone new for the next year, but you are talking about three coaches in less than a year's time. At some point you have to be more than potential.
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Thank you so much...... Its appreciated very much.. Its been fun.
Anyone see this post and wonder who Nevada is?
How about this post from a few days ago?
MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: Wiscy thoughts on: December 06, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
If Dawson transfers, will you stop posting?
You bring a lot to this board, granted. But every now and then you post things like this. With no provocation. And many other problems with many players today.
Done Deal!
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Not that Burton was the answer, but we have a big hole in the 3 spot next year:
Guards: Rotation of Wilson, Cohen, Noskowiak
Wings: Johnson, Cheatham
Bigs: Ellenson X2, Fischer, Heldt, STJ
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Except he only has 3 semesters of eligibility left. Of course he is going to be (likely) coached by someone new for the next year, but you are talking about three coaches in less than a year's time. At some point you have to be more than potential.
That's fair.
He's not the next Barkley (I argued strongly against that comparison), but I think he has potential to be a very good college player.
He doesn't look good right now, and I have to think it's mental, not physical. A fresh start might be what he needs to get going again.
I don't know how it would effect his eligibility, but maybe he should take the rest of the year off, and enroll someplace in the summer/fall.
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Anyone see this post and wonder who Nevada is?
How about this post from a few days ago?
MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: Wiscy thoughts on: December 06, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 06, 2014, 01:31:40 PM
If Dawson transfers, will you stop posting?
You bring a lot to this board, granted. But every now and then you post things like this. With no provocation. And many other problems with many players today.
Done Deal!
Yes. Always thought he was related to John...pretty obvious from that the poster is related, if not actually him.
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Not that Burton was the answer, but we have a big hole in the 3 spot next year:
Guards: Rotation of Wilson, Cohen, Noskowiak
Wings: Johnson, Cheatham
Bigs: Ellenson X2, Fischer, Heldt, STJ
The Ellensons are both wing players. I wouldn't doubt the starting line up will look something like this:
Duane/Transfer PG
Johnson/Duane
H. Ellenson
Taylor
Fischer
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Still doesn't make much sense to me. Wondering what Burtons version is.
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The Ellensons are both wing players. I wouldn't doubt the starting line up will look something like this:
Duane/Transfer PG
Johnson/Duane
H. Ellenson
Taylor
Fischer
Not enough depth at 4&5 for that. Foul trouble would kill that team.
UNLESS, MU brings in a JUCO or Grad transfer post player.
I've never seen Hedlt play, but frosh. bigs often take time to develop. Hard to ask him to play as the the primary post back-up from day #1.
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Then don't. Nobody will care.
Awww, x-ie you will.
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The Ellensons are both wing players. I wouldn't doubt the starting line up will look something like this:
Duane/Transfer PG
Johnson/Duane
H. Ellenson
Taylor
Fischer
I think Henry's going to be more of a stretch four, in the Kyle Singler mold (tempted to throw out the names Durant, Love and Nowitzki, but keeping expectations in check).
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Wow. Just seeing this now, as I was in a meeting.
Sad to see these guys leave. Best of luck to them both.
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Ain't no big thang. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Next man up, hey?
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Wojo spent his entire assistant coaching career under Coach K. Being at Duke that long and not being at any other institution, Wojo has learned a system that has been extremely successful and probably will not change his strategy in the near future.
If you look at the Duke program and insert the MU 2015 players, they always have a couple of bigmen (Fischer, Heldt), one or two power forward types (Taylor/Henry Ellenson) and a whole bunch of others ranging in height. The one common thread of these players is that they can shoot and play defense. Again, shoot and play defense. The college game has changed over the years and the three point shot has become one of the main aspects. Duke takes a lot of three pointers and always has. In 2015, MU will have, and Wojo will probably continue to fill, players of that category:
Du Wilson
Nick N
Cheatham (yes this guy can shoot)
JJJ
Wally Ellenson
Cohen
Maybe Burton didn't fit into the outside shooting aspect and he was not real effective on defense, but something did not fit placing him in that category. Otherwise his minutes would not have been those of basically a bench role player. He is athletic though and will be a welcome addition to many programs.
Dawson, well, I don't think anyone has a clue as to what happened there.
The team will surely look for a point guard, then in 2016 a potential replacement for Henry.
Eight kids on the roster, going to be a long year, but I believe Wojo is "mirroring" the Duke system and those who could not fit in are moving on.
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But wait, if Wojo wins too much, he will leave us..................
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Not happy about this--better get out the silver linings playbook, and start stroking the juju.
You talkin' 'bout BeeJay again?
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Wojo spent his entire assistant coaching career under Coach K. Being at Duke that long and not being at any other institution, Wojo has learned a system that has been extremely successful and probably will not change his strategy in the near future.
If you look at the Duke program and insert the MU 2015 players, they always have a couple of bigmen (Fischer, Heldt), one or two power forward types (Taylor/Henry Ellenson) and a whole bunch of others ranging in height. The one common thread of these players is that they can shoot and play defense. Again, shoot and play defense. The college game has changed over the years and the three point shot has become one of the main aspects. Duke takes a lot of three pointers and always has. In 2015, MU will have, and Wojo will probably continue to fill, players of that category:
Du Wilson
Nick N
Cheatham (yes this guy can shoot)
JJJ
Wally Ellenson
Cohen
Maybe Burton didn't fit into the outside shooting aspect and he was not real effective on defense, but something did not fit placing him in that category. Otherwise his minutes would not have been those of basically a bench role player. He is athletic though and will be a welcome addition to many programs.
Dawson, well, I don't think anyone has a clue as to what happened there.
The team will surely look for a point guard, then in 2016 a potential replacement for Henry.
Eight kids on the roster, going to be a long year, but I believe Wojo is "mirroring" the Duke system and those who could not fit in are moving on.
One problem with "mirroring" the Duke system. We're not Duke. Duke can always get the cream at any position, we can't. So do you recruit to a system or fit the system to the best players you can recruit? Unless you're Duke, maybe you have to "build a new house" every year to be really successful. I guess we'll see.
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Those two are not Wojo's recruits...best of luck to them
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Nothing so far. My guess is that it will only be BE schools.
No Wisconsin as well
He will be a great addition to Iowa State
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Deonte, John, I hope you find a school that is the right fit for you. Good luck in your future endeavors.
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Unfortunately, how much talent is still available, or has Wojo already been pursuing. Maybe Burton will transfer to El Buzzo.
What about the North Carolina kid that Wojo recently went to see. Seems like some high major are just getting involved!
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I think Henry's going to be more of a stretch four, in the Kyle Singler mold (tempted to throw out the names Durant, Love and Nowitzki, but keeping expectations in check).
I've been comparing Henry to Rasheed Wallace lately. Rasheed had a money inside/out game
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Thanks for this post.
Defaulting to 'doesn't fit what Wojo is looking for' is intentionally turning a blind eye to the reality that a young, still developing and talented player is leaving the program.
I'm one who believes that despite Wojo's petigree, MU will never recruit with the likes of Duke/Kentucky/Kansas/etc. and is inclined to believe that recruiting the best players from your geographical area and keeping them here is important.
I agree. I am totally bummed out
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I guess will really see how good of a recruiter Wojo is if we are going to succeed. Will be nice to see a Marquette team that can shoot and defend. Looks like he will be going after the same kind of player Bo Ryan likes to recruit. Have to give Wojo credit to take his lumps now for future success.
My hope is that it is a win/win for the coach and departing players.
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One problem with "mirroring" the Duke system. We're not Duke. Duke can always get the cream at any position, we can't. So do you recruit to a system or fit the system to the best players you can recruit? Unless you're Duke, maybe you have to "build a new house" every year to be really successful. I guess we'll see.
Of course MU is not Duke, no one is. But, the system and type of players are, so you recruit to the system. The only system that Wojo has been around and has experience with. As far as recruits, MU is not exactly at the bottom of the pile, they have a boatload of Top 100 players. Like you said, we'll see, but the signs are becoming obvious and wish Wojo well in getting it done.
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Awww, x-ie you will.
I didn't mean it sarcastically - just that you are free to believe what you choose and it's nobody's business.
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Of course MU is not Duke, no one is. But, the system and type of players are, so you recruit to the system. The only system that Wojo has been around and has experience with. As far as recruits, MU is not exactly at the bottom of the pile, they have a boatload of Top 100 players. Like you said, we'll see, but the signs are becoming obvious and wish Wojo well in getting it done.
Agreed
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The sooner WoJo makes this program his, the better. Bumstead clearly had a different business model than Steve. I'm down with this and 100% behind WoJo and his vision for Marquette basketball.
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The sooner WoJo makes this program his, the better. Bumstead clearly had a different business model than Steve. I'm down with this and 100% behind WoJo and his vision for Marquette basketball.
Preach it, doc.
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Respect the process
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Deonte's a 2? No way, at least not yet. That's his position in the NBA, but he's a very long shot for that at this juncture.
sure he is. He has just had to play out of position so far. I was responding to the fact that Burton wasn't going to lose minutes to Heldt, Ellenson, and Fisher. With those guys in the mix he had a great shot of being our 2/3 on the floor.
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I've been comparing Henry to Rasheed Wallace lately. Rasheed had a money inside/out game
Never thought of it before, but that may be a pretty good comparison. Certainly better than Durrant or Love.
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sure he is. He has just had to play out of position so far. I was responding to the fact that Burton wasn't going to lose minutes to Heldt, Ellenson, and Fisher. With those guys in the mix he had a great shot of being our 2/3 on the floor.
Not to attack Burton cuz I was a fan - but did you ever see him dribble to his right?
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Not to attack Burton cuz I was a fan - but did you ever see him dribble to his right?
Nope, and I loved watching him play as well. Have to wonder how coachable the guy is.
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sure he is. He has just had to play out of position so far. I was responding to the fact that Burton wasn't going to lose minutes to Heldt, Ellenson, and Fisher. With those guys in the mix he had a great shot of being our 2/3 on the floor.
To be a 2 or a 2/3 at the D1 level Deonte would have to improve his ball handling skills exponentially.
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sure he is. He has just had to play out of position so far. I was responding to the fact that Burton wasn't going to lose minutes to Heldt, Ellenson, and Fisher. With those guys in the mix he had a great shot of being our 2/3 on the floor.
Well, if he wasn't earning minutes at the 2/3 this year - those minutes instead going to Derrick Wilson, Sandy Cohen, Duane Wilson and JJJ - what makes you think he had a "great" shot at getting those minutes next year, when MU loses only Derrick and adds Cheatham, Noskowiak and Wally Ellenson to that mix?
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During a game last year, someone who was broadcasting the game (I think it was Kevin O'Neil) commented on Burton's talent and said something to the effect of, "Look how good he is right now, and he has absolutely no idea what he is doing out there".
That resonated with me as I don't recall the last time I saw a frosh who looked so lost defensively and had no idea how to move without the ball. I don't know anything about the high school he came out of, but it seemed he was a guy who had little understanding how to play at the college level.
That said, the talent is there and I thought he carried himself very well on the court. With a year off developing his game, he could be very good in a few years. I am very disappointed that he won't be with Marquette when/if that happens. I wish him and John all the best.
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I think Wally is a lot better then people give him credit for.
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The sooner WoJo makes this program his, the better. Bumstead clearly had a different business model than Steve. I'm down with this and 100% behind WoJo and his vision for Marquette basketball.
Totally agree...and we don't need the (though who would not like to have them) the 4 and 5 star Duke type players to win. Just look at Butler and Creighton and dare say UW; and they are doing pretty well. I think Wojo knows the kind of players he wants and will find them.
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I think Wally is a lot better then people give him credit for.
He better have improved A LOT from his time with the gophers then
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Burton's decision doesn't make sense at this moment. He just screwed himself out of so much eligibility. At least stick it out this year so you get 2 years lol.
And Dawson really only has 1.5 left too even though he played in 1 game this year? Wow, that blows.
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Burton's decision doesn't make sense at this moment. He just screwed himself out of so much eligibility. At least stick it out this year so you get 2 years lol.
And Dawson really only has 1.5 left too even though he played in 1 game this year? Wow, that blows.
Since he only played in one game can he petition for a full year?
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We lost a couple of good players today. Obviously most of us expected Dawson to transfer - but Burton? Comes as a pretty big bombshell - and loss for the MU program. Clearly it didn't click between Deonte and Wojo. You never want to see a Top 50 local kid transfer, that showed a lot of promise as a freshman.
Can't blame either one of them for their decision - Dawson's was a no-brainer, yet Deonte had to be quite frustrated as well given his limited playing time considering he blossomed at end of last season and earned All Big East Freshman honors (in 12 minutes per game.)
Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work. Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag. As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.) Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.
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Burton's decision doesn't make sense at this moment. He just screwed himself out of so much eligibility. At least stick it out this year so you get 2 years lol.
And Dawson really only has 1.5 left too even though he played in 1 game this year? Wow, that blows.
Not true....
Respect the process.....
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As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.) Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.
I heard it was mutual and the nailing was done to benefit JD. He should be able to get a full year now.
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We lost a couple of good players today. Obviously most of us expected Dawson to transfer - but Burton? Comes as a pretty big bombshell - and loss for the MU program. Clearly it didn't click between Deonte and Wojo. You never want to see a Top 50 local kid transfer, that showed a lot of promise as a freshman.
Can't blame either one of them for their decision - Dawson's was a no-brainer, yet Deonte had to be quite frustrated as well given his limited playing time considering he blossomed at end of last season and earned All Big East Freshman honors (in 12 minutes per game.)
Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work. Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag. As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.) Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.
Look, I was as big a fan of Burton's as you but let's not sit here and act like this means Wojo is a failure. Deonte looked generally horrible in the time he played this year. He forced nearly every possession he touched and played some bad defense. I think it's just a different system and Deonte also has been going through some issues as have been highlighted. If you look at the guys coming in and the way Wojo's offense has been run you start to understand why Deonte may have felt it was a good idea to leave.
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We lost a couple of good players today. Obviously most of us expected Dawson to transfer - but Burton? Comes as a pretty big bombshell - and loss for the MU program. Clearly it didn't click between Deonte and Wojo. You never want to see a Top 50 local kid transfer, that showed a lot of promise as a freshman.
Can't blame either one of them for their decision - Dawson's was a no-brainer, yet Deonte had to be quite frustrated as well given his limited playing time considering he blossomed at end of last season and earned All Big East Freshman honors (in 12 minutes per game.)
Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work. Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag. As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.) Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.
Why is losing Burton a red flag? He did not fit the system. Wojo knows what he wants and will build his program. In a few years we will see how it all works out. Burton looked like he has regressed from last season.
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Not true....
Respect the process.....
True, unless he can qualify for a medical redshirt. Also muddying the water is that he played in the exhibition game and the closed scrimmage at VA.
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Not true....
Respect the process.....
What does this even mean.....?
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Since he only played in one game can he petition for a full year?
What I am gathering is that he can't. That would really suck for him. Basically lost 2.5 years of college basketball in 1 season for sporadic playing time. Dang.
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Look, I was as big a fan of Burton's as you but let's not sit here and act like this means Wojo is a failure. Deonte looked generally horrible in the time he played this year. He forced nearly every possession he touched and played some bad defense. I think it's just a different system and Deonte also has been going through some issues as have been highlighted. If you look at the guys coming in and the way Wojo's offense has been run you start to understand why Deonte may have felt it was a good idea to leave.
Not saying it means Wojo is a failure by any means - but it raises a red flag..or perhaps more appropriate a Yellow flag. You never want to see a Top 50, local recruit, that has a ton of potential transfer out of your program halfway through his sophomore year/your first semester as a head coach.
I agree Deonte struggled this season, yet he showed A LOT as a freshman, and for whatever reason regressed under Wojo this season - perhaps as simple as his Mom's passing - yet also probably due to it not clicking between him and Wojo.
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I'm heartbroken.
Which one broke up with you, ruining your weekend/holiday plans?
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Not saying it means Wojo is a failure by any means - but it raises a red flag..or perhaps more appropriate a Yellow flag. You never want to see a Top 50, local recruit, that has a ton of potential transfer out of your program halfway through his sophomore year/your first semester as a head coach.
I agree Deonte struggled this season, yet he showed A LOT as a freshman, and for whatever reason regressed under Wojo this season - perhaps as simple as his Mom's passing - yet also probably due to it not clicking between him and Wojo.
Most top 50 local guys don't have their mom die in the same year as a complete coaching staff overhaul. That's also excluding the fact that 4 guys who will be coming onto the roster next year can take some of his minutes.
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Deonte was a great kid. Would always talk to people around campus, pretty smart kid too. John was also a good guy. As I mentioned the other day he randomly dropped by my friends apartment. Both of them will be missed. Im especially going to miss Deonte who was an ESPN top 10 play waiting to happen.
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Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work. Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag. As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.) Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.
Is it more of a red flag than losing Mbakwe or Christopherson?
as you know, it's common for a kid to bolt when a new coach comes in and he doesn't fit in with what the coach is trying to do. For all we know, the only thing that kept Deonte from transferring before the semester began was his need to stay in town for his mother.
Is it wishful thinking to hope this is the last we hear of John Dawson's promise?
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What I am gathering is that he can't. That would really suck for him. Basically lost 2.5 years of college basketball in 1 season for sporadic playing time. Dang.
Not correct - he loses 1.5 years. He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...
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I heard it was mutual and the nailing was done to benefit JD. He should be able to get a full year now.
Neither are true...
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Not correct - he loses 1.5 years. He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...
No, Luke was a freshman when he transferred. Deonte and John are sophomores.
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Not correct - he loses 1.5 years. He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...
Fischer was a frosh. Dawson is a soph.
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Is it more of a red flag than losing Mbakwe or Christopherson?
as you know, it's common for a kid to bolt when a new coach comes in and he doesn't fit in with what the coach is trying to do. For all we know, the only thing that kept Deonte from transferring before the semester began was his need to stay in town for his mother.
Is it wishful thinking to hope this is the last we hear of John Dawson's promise?
I think it's more of a red flag, because in Burton and Dawson's case - they both bought into what Wojo sold upon his hire and decided to stay. Then after 2 months of practice/games, they felt it best to go elsewhere.
And obviously won't have a lot to say about Dawson's potential/promise moving forward, but of course will follow his career elsewhere...much as many of us do with transfers.
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What I am gathering is that he can't. That would really suck for him. Basically lost 2.5 years of college basketball in 1 season for sporadic playing time. Dang.
I'm confused. Let's see if I have this correct. The logic applies for both John and Deonte. BOTH accrued minutes here in 2014-15 so that counts as the Sophomore year eligibility. Both will presumably suit up after winter exams next Christmas and play one half a season counting as their Junior year. So each only has 1.5 years left. Just like Luke has 2.5 years left.
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Not correct - he loses 1.5 years. He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...
No.
If they both transfer right now, they will be eligible for half of their junior year, and all of their senior year.
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Not saying it means Wojo is a failure by any means - but it raises a red flag..or perhaps more appropriate a Yellow flag. You never want to see a Top 50, local recruit, that has a ton of potential transfer out of your program halfway through his sophomore year/your first semester as a head coach.
I agree Deonte struggled this season, yet he showed A LOT as a freshman, and for whatever reason regressed under Wojo this season - perhaps as simple as his Mom's passing - yet also probably due to it not clicking between him and Wojo.
Not sure why you want to make these things personal. In all likelihood, they're not.
We've now seen two Marquette head coaches who:
a) Didn't think John Dawson deserved minutes over other guys on the roster, including Derrick Wilson
b) Limited Deonte Burton's minutes despite his obvious athleticism and offensive skills.
Who knows .... maybe Wojo just didn't like Deonte and Dawson. But it's far, far, far more likely that he - like the coach before him - found some facets of their games lacking and believed there were better options.
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Apparently, Burton meant more to program than Wojo. Wish Burton and Dawson the best but, sorry, I'll put my money with Wojo.
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Hard to draw many conclusions about the exact reason for Deonte's transfer, given the storm he has lived through. The death of his mother, a new coaching staff and totally different system, a frustrating start to the season.
That said, I'm reluctant to put much of this on bad chemistry between Wojo and Deonte. If I recall correctly, he was the first guy to officially say he was staying after Wojo was announced. And speaking with him at the picnic, he seemed to absolutely LOVE Wojo and the staff. Not just typical player-speak, but of all the guys I spoke with at the picnic, he was the guy I went away from thinking "this guy is really happy to be playing for this staff."
Until I hear otherwise, I'm inclined to believe the reasons are all coming from Deonte. Needing to get away from Milwaukee, not liking Wojo's system, whatever.
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I think it's more of a red flag, because in Burton and Dawson's case - they both bought into what Wojo sold upon his hire and decided to stay. Then after 2 months of practice/games, they felt it best to go elsewhere.
But SC and Mbakwe both had the chance to be around Buzz for a full year as an assistant, as well in TM's case through a summer, and they felt it best to go elsewhere.
Also, you don't know Burton's full situation. It may simply have been that transferring sooner was not an option given his mother's health.
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Not correct - he loses 1.5 years. He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...
Incorrect. Assuming both transfer to new schools after the semester, they'll have to sit out a year. They've both participated in two seasons at MU - down goes two years of eligibility. Fast forward a year from now, they'll be about a week away from being eligible. Then they'll play, burn their third year, and have 1 year remaining.
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Anyone know their academic standing currently?
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Anyone know their academic standing currently?
Both are fine.
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Anyone know their academic standing currently?
Not sure even they will know until after finals. That said, I've never heard about either of them having academic issues.
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Anyone know their academic standing currently?
What does it matter?
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Anyone know their academic standing currently?
Should be good to go. Burton made the BE Academic team as a frosh and had good grades out of HS. They need the grades to transfer in any event. Otherwise would have to go Juco or NAIA...
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What does it matter?
It matters to Marquette's APR, if I'm not mistaken.
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What does it matter?
It impacts MU's graduation rate (and future scholarships, etc) if a player transfers when he isn't in good standing.
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It impacts MU's graduation rate (and future scholarships, etc) if a player transfers when he isn't in good standing.
A player cannot transfer to another Div I school if not in good standing. Suspect they will be fine as well as the APR.
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I'm confused. Let's see if I have this correct. The logic applies for both John and Deonte. BOTH accrued minutes here in 2014-15 so that counts as the Sophomore year eligibility. Both will presumably suit up after winter exams next Christmas and play one half a season counting as their Junior year. So each only has 1.5 years left. Just like Luke has 2.5 years left.
Yup that's what it is. That's why I said it really sucks for Johns career losing so much basketball and why Deonte would make so much more sense reevaluating the decision at the end of the year.
But it is up to them.
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What does it matter?
APR.
Should be good to go. Burton made the BE Academic team as a frosh and had good grades out of HS. They need the grades to transfer in any event. Otherwise would have to go Juco or NAIA...
Mason transferred out with poor grades to LSU, though.
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I gotta agree with Ners on this, although I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a red flag.
1. We are not Duke. It's imperative of us getting home grown talent to stick around and play at MU. If Wojo or anyone on this board believes we will be able to recruit Duke quality kids at will they're fooling themselves.
2. While we may not want to admit it, it's more likely Wojo has less success his first five seasons than Buzz had. A 16-16-8 run over three seasons is tough accomplishment.
3. Wanting Wojo to be successful is different from him actually being successful. While I personally like the hire, the jury is still out on his long term capability. I live in Washington and have seen one of the best recruiters in Lorenzo Romar take NBA talent and squander it in a weak Pac 12 because of poor coaching. Not saying that will be the case, but one recruiting class does not cement Wojo as a great coach.
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Yup that's what it is. That's why I said it really sucks for Johns career losing so much basketball and why Deonte would make so much more sense reevaluating the decision at the end of the year.
But it is up to them.
Yeah, things really don't add up for Burton. Dawson I can see...minutes just weren't coming. Plus, I bet he has a chance at getting a waiver. Dude's played 4 minutes this year.
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1. We are not Duke. It's imperative of us getting home grown talent to stick around and play at MU. If Wojo or anyone on this board believes we will be able to recruit Duke quality kids at will they're fooling themselves.
I've never really understood this "gotta recruit your backyard" mentality. Is it great when you nail down top recruits who are from Wisconsin? Yes. Where are the best players in MU history from? Chicago, New York, Texas. Wisconsin only makes the cut if we put Wes, Diener, or Novak on that list.
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Thanks guys. Both are paying a very heavy price. Perhaps John's waiver is/was in the works and Wojo was trying to protect him. Can't see any reason other than medical hardship (mom's untimely passing) that Deonte will get any discretion. But they're both good men from good families so I'm sure all the options were weighed.
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APR.
Mason transferred out with poor grades to LSU, though.
Mason had the grades as Crean did not give him his release until the semester was over. He could not have transferred otherwise.
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I've never really understood this "gotta recruit your backyard" mentality. Is it great when you nail down top recruits who are from Wisconsin? Yes. Where are the best players in MU history from? Chicago, New York, Texas. Wisconsin only makes the cut if we put Wes, Diener, or Novak on that list.
Jim Chones, Tony Smith, Bob Wolf, Ron Glaser, Damon Key, Jim McIlvaine etc. we're from Wisconsin
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Not saying it means Wojo is a failure by any means - but it raises a red flag..or perhaps more appropriate a Yellow flag. You never want to see a Top 50, local recruit, that has a ton of potential transfer out of your program halfway through his sophomore year/your first semester as a head coach.
Wojo landed a top 10 class next year. But the transfer of a player who has shown splashes, but hasn't quite lived up to his billing and was recruited by a previous administration, is all of the sudden a red flag?
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Have to wonder how coachable the guy is.
Bingo. This has been the knock since high school.
Good kid, but his strength has always been freestyling and a lot of "no, no, no, yes" takes. Looks awesome in pickup games, but struggles in the "the system." Doesn't mind getting beat off the dribble because he has the athleticism to make up for it with a crowd-roaring block into the stands. Never cared much for specific rules of the game because he just "made plays." I could never figure out how he would fit in the college game because of his size and because he took so many shots, whenever he wanted in both HS and AAU. In my mind, he would flourish with an old-school Loyola Marymount/Paul Westhead run-and-gun program that would simply try to outrun and outscore you. He is a horse with unparalleled athleticism for sure. I am very intrigued to see how it will turn out for him and will be rooting for him.
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While we may not want to admit it, it's more likely Wojo has less success his first five seasons than Buzz had. A 16-16-8 run over three seasons is tough accomplishment.
Let's just write off the next five seasons already....
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Bingo. This has been the knock since high school.
Good kid, but his strength has always been freestyling and a lot of "no, no, no, yes" takes. Looks awesome in pickup games, but struggles in the "the system." Doesn't mind getting beat off the dribble because he has the athleticism to make up for it with a crowd-roaring block into the stands. Never cared much for specific rules of the game because he just "made plays." I could never figure out how he would fit in the college game because of his size and because he took so many shots, whenever he wanted in both HS and AAU. In my mind, he would flourish with an old-school Loyola Marymount/Paul Westhead run-and-gun program that would simply try to outrun and outscore you. He is a horse with unparalleled athleticism for sure. I am very intrigued to see how it will turn out for him and will be rooting for him.
Agree with what you are saying and believe he should work very hard to become a 2 with solid defense. Makes that adjustment the sky is the limit. Question is,can he change or better yet is he willing to change. Wish him all the best and hope he makes it.
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Wojo landed a top 10 class next year. But the transfer of a player who has shown splashes, but hasn't quite lived up to his billing and was recruited by a previous administration, is all of the sudden a red flag?
I amended that statement to be a Yellow Flag...and as I've been corrected....it is a pretty big loss of college playing time for guys like Dawson and Burton. They'll get to their new school and only have 1.5 years left. Had they stayed at MU they'd have 2.5 left. That's a lot to give up, if you are only moderately unhappy in the current system/regime...
But, to your point, neither were Wojo's guys/recruits - and it isn't uncommon for transfers to result as a result of a coaching change. However, that usually takes place at the time of departure of former coach - not after choosing to stay and play for the new coach.
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I amended that statement to be a Yellow Flag...and as I've been corrected....it is a pretty big loss of college playing time for guys like Dawson and Burton. They'll get to their new school and only have 1.5 years left. Had they stayed at MU they'd have 2.5 left. That's a lot to give up, if you are only moderately unhappy in the current system/regime...
But, to your point, neither were Wojo's guys/recruits - and it isn't uncommon for transfers to result as a result of a coaching change. However, that usually takes place at the time of departure of former coach - not after choosing to stay and play for the new coach.
Yeah I understand where you are coming from. I hope Wojo didn't make promises or expectations that he couldn't deliver upon. I remember Dawson's dad coming here and was thrilled about the Wojo hire. Yet now he blows a year of eligibility for four minutes of playing time. I would hope the NCAA would allow a waiver in his case.
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But, to your point, neither were Wojo's guys/recruits - and it isn't uncommon for transfers to result as a result of a coaching change. However, that usually takes place at the time of departure of former coach - not after choosing to stay and play for the new coach.
I suspect there are plenty of examples Of guys who choose to leave after choosing to stay.
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Incorrect. Assuming both transfer to new schools after the semester, they'll have to sit out a year. They've both participated in two seasons at MU - down goes two years of eligibility. Fast forward a year from now, they'll be about a week away from being eligible. Then they'll play, burn their third year, and have 1 year remaining.
Despite all the bad speculation in this thread, you are the most correct. The is an additional caveat that if either (or both) of theme were to elect to sit out ALL of next year, they could still play two more years. i.e.
Either
13-14 - 1 year
14-15 - 1/2 year (counts as 1 year eligibility wise)
15-16 - 1/2 year (counts as 1 year eligibility wise)
16-17 - 1 year
OR...
13-14 - 1 year
14-15 - 1/2 year (counts as 1 year eligibility wise)
15-16 - Sit out (zero years...)
16-17 - 1 year
17-18 - 1 year
You have 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility..
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While we may not want to admit it, it's more likely Wojo has less success his first five seasons than Buzz had. A 16-16-8 run over three seasons is tough accomplishment.
Let's just write off the next five seasons already....
I'm not, rather just pointing out that despite our opinions about the man and his departure, Buzz Williams accomplished what is an extremely difficult act to follow. Despite our optimism for Wojo and his program it's still an improbability he sees that level of success.
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I'm not, rather just pointing out that despite our opinions about the man and his departure, Buzz Williams accomplished what is an extremely difficult act to follow. Despite our optimism for Wojo and his program it's still an improbability he sees that level of success.
I agree, but that's a statement that holds true no matter who MU would have hired.
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I agree, but that's a statement that holds true no matter who MU would have hired.
That's fair, but the quote lifted from my original statement had to do with recruiting and keeping the talent pool locally being important to the future success of the program.
In some ways the Wojo hiring is like a crossroads for our basketball program in my opinion. We've had a very good 10-12 year run which saw a final four, changing to the premier basketball conference which was the old Big East, a regular season Big East title and a trip to three consecutive sweet 16's capped by an elite 8 appearance.
A new league (even if it retained it's old name), a new coach and a complete overhaul of the roster is what we have now. What happens in the next 2-4 years is crucial to either continuing our recent tradition or taking a step back out of the upper echelon of college basketball programs.
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Can't buy your pessimism. With the talent and height Wojo has recruited, Marquette's winning tradition will continue for many years.
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Can't buy your pessimism. With the talent and height Wojo has recruited, Marquette's winning tradition will continue for many years.
Your assuming these kids play to their potential. Just look at how quickly Buzz's consensus top 15 classes both this year and last year have been written off by this message board now that they're not here as being no good.
If I recall, after the news of Buzz leaving for VT, most on here were thinking Cohen was the most expendable of the incoming recruiting class and praying that Hill would stay if no one else did since he was the crown jewel of the incoming freshman.
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Your assuming these kids play to their potential. Just look at how quickly Buzz's consensus top 15 classes both this year and last year have been written off by this message board now that they're not here as being no good.
If I recall, after the news of Buzz leaving for VT, most on here were thinking Cohen was the most expendable of the incoming recruiting class and praying that Hill would stay if no one else did since he was the crown jewel of the incoming freshman.
Before my transfer thread got locked the other day, I said I expect Dawson, Burton, and JJJ all to transfer. 2 out of 3 so far. Hoping Jajuan sticks around, because once he puts it together, he is going to be phenomenal!
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Keep playing a scrub like Juan Anderson instead of a better player with more upside like Burton and this is what you get.
Let anyone post to a basketball board and this is what you get.
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I wish Mr. Burton and Mr. Dawson success at their future destinations. They seem to be quality individuals. I hope - like for any 19-20 year old - they find out what they want in life and get it.
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Good chance one of these could be filled by a JUCO transfer.
There are JUCO's left for 2015?
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There is no positive way to spin this one. This year has just gone from hopeful to dispair.
Here's a positive spin, maybe you'll post less as a result.
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I guess we just traded Bane for Luke in terms of minutes.
Luke will get more than just bane's minutes.
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Before my transfer thread got locked the other day, I said I expect Dawson, Burton, and JJJ all to transfer. 2 out of 3 so far. Hoping Jajuan sticks around, because once he puts it together, he is going to be phenomenal!
Congrats!
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Agree with what you are saying and believe he should work very hard to become a 2 with solid defense. Makes that adjustment the sky is the limit. Question is,can he change or better yet is he willing to change. Wish him all the best and hope he makes it.
He has no skills of a '2'. He can't put the ball on the floor, he has no concept of running off of screens, no chance defensively, and he has never been a perimeter player in his life. There is absolutely no way he can master the skills required for a '2' before his draft class is due.
He is an undersized '4'. That is where his game is suited for. But with only 1.5 years of eligibility, he will need to go mid-major to flourish.
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Dawson, we all had an inkling. Burton, blindsided. Where were our so-called posters with sources when we needed them? LOL.
I see what you did there. Bringing old thread into a new one. Who's playbook is that move from?
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Juan announced his transfer but then changed his mind. I guess Deonte still has some time to reconsider; unless he and Wojo know it is not going to work.
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Not that Burton was the answer, but we have a big hole in the 3 spot next year:
Guards: Rotation of Wilson, Cohen, Noskowiak
Wings: Johnson, Cheatham
Bigs: Ellenson X2, Fischer, Heldt, STJ
Move Ellenson from Bigs to Wings. Problem solved.
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Move Ellenson from Bigs to Wings. Problem solved.
Thats where Ellenson said he wanted to play anyways.
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I think Henry's going to be more of a stretch four, in the Kyle Singler mold (tempted to throw out the names Durant, Love and Nowitzki, but keeping expectations in check).
Bob Love? ;)
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One problem with "mirroring" the Duke system. We're not Duke. Duke can always get the cream at any position, we can't. So do you recruit to a system or fit the system to the best players you can recruit? Unless you're Duke, maybe you have to "build a new house" every year to be really successful. I guess we'll see.
It's thinking like that that keeps MU from ever getting a top 10 recruiting class.
Oh wait,......
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One problem with "mirroring" the Duke system. We're not Duke. Duke can always get the cream at any position, we can't. So do you recruit to a system or fit the system to the best players you can recruit? Unless you're Duke, maybe you have to "build a new house" every year to be really successful. I guess we'll see.
Bo Ryan has done quite well recruiting to his system.
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Jim Chones, Tony Smith, Bob Wolf, Ron Glaser, Damon Key, Jim McIlvaine etc. we're from Wisconsin
Vander Blue, Wes Matthews.
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We lost a couple of good players today. Obviously most of us expected Dawson to transfer - but Burton? Comes as a pretty big bombshell - and loss for the MU program. Clearly it didn't click between Deonte and Wojo. You never want to see a Top 50 local kid transfer, that showed a lot of promise as a freshman.
Can't blame either one of them for their decision - Dawson's was a no-brainer, yet Deonte had to be quite frustrated as well given his limited playing time considering he blossomed at end of last season and earned All Big East Freshman honors (in 12 minutes per game.)
Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work. Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag. As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.) Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.
I'm seeing it as more of a blue flag.
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Dont know if this has been mentioned but does anyone think that there is the potential that Deonte takes the year off completely because his mom passed away? That way I believe that he can come back to MU without having lost any eligibility or perhaps even transfer to another school without any penalty.
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Dont know if this has been mentioned but does anyone think that there is the potential that Deonte takes the year off completely because his mom passed away? That way I believe that he can come back to MU without having lost any eligibility or perhaps even transfer to another school without any penalty.
I almost think that the main reason denote came back to milwaukee was to be there for his mom. Maybe he has no interest in staying local and just wants to get away.
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I amended that statement to be a Yellow Flag...and as I've been corrected....it is a pretty big loss of college playing time for guys like Dawson and Burton. They'll get to their new school and only have 1.5 years left. Had they stayed at MU they'd have 2.5 left. That's a lot to give up, if you are only moderately unhappy in the current system/regime...
Not true.
Both have effectively used 2 years of their competition eligibility and have 2 years remaining.
They each have 3.5 years remaining on their 5 year clock.
Absent something outside of the norm, they will be in a position a year from now in which they will have 2.5 years to appear in two different seasons. Whether one of those seasons is a partial year is up to them and their next program.
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@Matt_Velazquez
Spoke w/ Steve Wojciechowski. #mubb will likely add a walk-on w/ decision coming sooner rather than later. Relationship is already in place.
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@Matt_Velazquez
Spoke w/ Steve Wojciechowski. #mubb will likely add a walk-on w/ decision coming sooner rather than later. Relationship is already in place.
Well, apparently Velazquez found out about my walk on status. Current dispute is about jersey number since 11 is retired for some reason.
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Deonte was playing 16 mostly ineffective minutes per game off the bench.
I'm sad to see him go, too, and I don't think this helps MU at all this season, but he wasn't exactly the key to the team's success.
Success?? What success?
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Long day at work, just catching up. Very, very disappointed - I had hoped that both of these kids would blossom at MU and have good college careers. I guess it's hard to play college basketball - expectations put on you, coaching changes, learning parts of the game you were not taught in HS, etc., etc. They both seemed like good kids and I hope they succeed wherever they wind up.
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@Matt_Velazquez
Spoke w/ Steve Wojciechowski. #mubb will likely add a walk-on w/ decision coming sooner rather than later. Relationship is already in place.
Definitely Jabari Parker, then. Baby sitters make the best walk-ons, aina?
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/285252111.html
Quotes from his dad, but certainly sounds like Dawson was encouraged to seek other opportunities.
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Dont know if this has been mentioned but does anyone think that there is the potential that Deonte takes the year off completely because his mom passed away? That way I believe that he can come back to MU without having lost any eligibility or perhaps even transfer to another school without any penalty.
He's not staying at Marquette.
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Matt Velazquez @Matt_Velazquez 6m6 minutes ago
Latest in the @journalsentinel Golden Eagles Blog: Wojciechowski not surprised by transfers, considering a walk-on http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/285298921.html …
Steve Wojciechowski not surprised by transfers, considering a walk-on
By Matt Velazquez of the Journal Sentinel
Dec. 9, 2014 7:31 p.m.
Tuesday's announcement that sophomores Deonte Burton and John Dawson will leave the Marquette basketball team and transfer schools came as a surprise to many.
Steve Wojciechowski was not among those caught off guard. The first-year head coach said he became aware of Burton and Dawson's intentions over the past few days in separate conversations with each player.
"I'm not surprised," Wojciechowski said Tuesday evening. "I think, especially in a transition year any time there's a coaching change in today's day and age of college basketball, things like this you come to expect. At times I think guys are best served, I think both parties are best served, if they explore different options. Obviously they felt that way."
Wojciechowski added that he does not know where the two players will transfer, but will offer any help he can moving forward.
When asked if Burton and Dawson left because of a lack of playing time — Burton played the third-fewest minutes on the team and Dawson only appeared for four minutes in the opening game — Wojciechowski said that was a better question for the players. Speaking specifically about Burton, Wojciechowski said his lack of use was a function of other players performing better.
"I don't know if anything went wrong," Wojciechowski said. "I think there were other guys that were playing better than him. We were eight games into the season, so to make a judgment on how the rest of the 20-plus games would go I think it's a little bit too early to judge. But at this point in the season we had other guys that when they're on the court our team plays better collectively."
What Wojciechowski is left with is a roster that now features only eight eligible players, with only seven of them having experience this season. Luke Fischer, who transferred from Indiana, is eligible to play beginning with Marquette's next game against Arizona State.
Wojciechowski remains excited about the direction of his program and hopes that these departures will bring out the best in the players who have remained.
"I thought we had one of our best practices of the year (Tuesday)," Wojciechowski said. "Any time you go through adversity you would hope it galvanizes your team. It gives guys an opportunity to step up. ...
"I'm really excited about our season, I'm excited about the progress the team's made. I'm excited about all the guys who are all in for Marquette and that's where my total focus is.
With transfer Wally Ellenson, who is able to practice but not play until next season, Marquette has nine players on its roster. That's not enough to go 5-on-5 in practice, but Wojciechowski says there's a plan to work around that.
"We have guys, student-managers, who can help," Wojciechowski said. "We may add a walk-on, so we'll have enough guys to practice."
Wojciechowski said he would like to make a decision regarding the addition of a walk-on sooner rather than later. Asked if he had someone in mind or if it would be one of the student-managers, Wojciechowski said it would be someone with whom the program already has a relationship.
Looking to the future, Wojciechowski now has three open scholarships to work with, including the two that opened up Tuesday. He already has a top-5 recruiting class lined up to join the program for the 2015-'16 season, but did not stop recruiting when they signed.
He says Tuesday's news does not change anything in terms of recruiting.
"In today's day and age you prepare for every scenario," he said. "We've got a wide net out there. Again, we are always looking to improve our roster and we are prepared for a number of different scenarios.
"So this doesn't really affect how we look at things, to be honest with you, because we tried to look into the future and predict. These things happen in college basketball in most places, especially when somebody takes over a program."
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It's thinking like that that keeps MU from ever getting a top 10 recruiting class.
Oh wait,......
Well, if you're confident we can get 3 top 100 players (and 1 top 10 almost sure McDonald's All American) out of Wisconsin every year, great. I'm not.
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Bob Love? ;)
Butterbean. Good player, really good guy - one of my favorites.
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I know I'm coming to this discussion late, but here are my two cents FWIW...
Like most, I was expecting the Dawson move but was surprised/bummed when I heard about Deonte. However, after thinking about it for a few hours, I am starting to feel more encouraged than disappointed. I'm encouraged because I think this situation is an indicates a few positive things about our new head coach.
He has a vision for the future and a plan to get there. Unfortunately these two players didn't seem to fit into that plan but that's the way it goes sometimes. If you are going to shape an organization to meet your vision, you may have to get rid of those that don't fit and can't/won't adapt. I know that Wojo probably didn't truly "get rid of them" but he certainly didn't have a problem letting them walk away. I am glad our coach has the balls to stick with his plan even if it brings about some negative short term consequences.
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I know I'm coming to this discussion late, but here are my two cents FWIW...
Like most, I was expecting the Dawson move but was surprised/bummed when I heard about Deonte. However, after thinking about it for a few hours, I am starting to feel more encouraged than disappointed. I'm encouraged because I think this situation is an indicates a few positive things about our new head coach.
He has a vision for the future and a plan to get there. Unfortunately these two players didn't seem to fit into that plan but that's the way it goes sometimes. If you are going to shape an organization to meet your vision, you may have to get rid of those that don't fit and can't/won't adapt. I know that Wojo probably didn't truly "get rid of them" but he certainly didn't have a problem letting them walk away. I am glad our coach has the balls to stick with his plan even if it brings about some negative short term consequences.
I think you're right. The key thing, to me was: "Speaking specifically about Burton, Wojciechowski said his lack of use was a function of other players performing better."
And since we know that athleticism isn't Deonte's problem, it points to what some have mentioned - that Deonte does not know how to play within the team framework.
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As others have said Dawson not a surprise. Based on his ranking out of High School probably should have gone to a mid major team. Buzz had an open slot which no other high recruit was going to fill behind Duane. Dawson wanted to try it. What the heck. I don't fault either for giving it a try. Most of those guys don't end up a major contributors in a high D1 program and some choose to ride the bench for 4 years. If Dawson has higher aspirations best to get out now.
Burton is a different story. This kid just has too much talent. Sure he can be a ball hog and doesn't seem to concentrate much on defense or rebounding. But he is a high major talent and I will bet that where he lands next he will end up being a major contributor in a year from now. In a team as offensively challenged as this team is we couldn't find some place for a guy who can score in bunches even with his deficiencies. Even if he isn't the type of player Wojo is looking for it would seem that it would have been better to compromise a little keep Burton happy enough that he stayed out the year and then decide at the end if his next 2 years will be at MU or somewhere else.
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I think it's more of a red flag, because in Burton and Dawson's case - they both bought into what Wojo sold upon his hire and decided to stay. Then after 2 months of practice/games, they felt it best to go elsewhere.
And obviously won't have a lot to say about Dawson's potential/promise moving forward, but of course will follow his career elsewhere...much as many of us do with transfers.
Not really, I posted before the season started that all the players are happy with Wojo until they find out how much playing time they will get.
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I think you're right. The key thing, to me was: "Speaking specifically about Burton, Wojciechowski said his lack of use was a function of other players performing better."
And since we know that athleticism isn't Deonte's problem, it points to what some have mentioned - that Deonte does not know how to play within the team framework.
That is bull because he played within the team framework at Milwaukee Vincent. I know high school is not Div 1 college basketball but basketball is basketball.
He can play in a team framework. I think Wojo is throwing away this year, and just wanted that extra spot for next year for some other kid and he more or less forced this move in Burton's case.
He probably made a promise to some kid that he recruited and Deonte was in the way and he did not stand in his way of leaving and has wrote this season off early.
Disagree with me all you want. That is what I see and there is nothing wrong with that. It's his program, lets move on.
I wish both Deonte and John D nothing but the best...especially Deonte being a Milwaukee kid.
I'm done with it. No wait a minute...on second thought I just read this link on it http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/285252111.html?page=1 and read John Dawson's fathers angle on it.
NOW I AM UPSET. 13,000 miles to come here and out of 41 other Universities and his dad is a coach himself of 37 years!?
Let me get out of here while I can now . . . that makes me look at things differently. So John did not transfer, he was asked to leave??? I dont know about that...
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That is bull because he played within the team framework at Milwaukee Vincent. I know high school is not Div 1 college basketball but basketball is basketball.
He can play in a team framework. I think Wojo is throwing away this year, and just wanted that extra spot for next year for some other kid and he more or less forced this move in Burton's case.
He probably made a promise to some kid that he recruited and Deonte was in the way and he did not stand in his way of leaving and has wrote this season off early.
Disagree with me all you want. That is what I see and there is nothing wrong with that. It's his program, lets move on.
I wish both Deonte and John D nothing but the best...especially Deonte being a Milwaukee kid.
I'm done with it.
Your right, high school basketball is not division 1 basketball.
The rest is wrong.
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That is bull because he played within the team framework at Milwaukee Vincent. I know high school is not Div 1 college basketball but basketball is basketball.
He can play in a team framework. I think Wojo is throwing away this year, and just wanted that extra spot for next year for some other kid and he more or less forced this move in Burton's case.
He probably made a promise to some kid that he recruited and Deonte was in the way and he did not stand in his way of leaving and has wrote this season off early.
Disagree with me all you want. That is what I see and there is nothing wrong with that. It's his program, lets move on.
I wish both Deonte and John D nothing but the best...especially Deonte being a Milwaukee kid.
I'm done with it.
How the hell did you infer all of that from the transfers today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0)
Wish I knew how to embed.
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Juan announced his transfer but then changed his mind. I guess Deonte still has some time to reconsider; unless he and Wojo know it is not going to work.
I pray this is the case...Deonte should return if he can. Surely they can make it work?
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How the hell did you infer all of that from the transfers today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0)
Wish I knew how to embed.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41865.0
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Would have liked to see them stay but won't lose any sleep with their departure. Wojo doesn't seem disturbed so it's likely for the best. The future is bright.
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That is bull because he played within the team framework at Milwaukee Vincent. I know high school is not Div 1 college basketball but basketball is basketball.
He can play in a team framework. I think Wojo is throwing away this year, and just wanted that extra spot for next year for some other kid and he more or less forced this move in Burton's case.
He probably made a promise to some kid that he recruited and Deonte was in the way and he did not stand in his way of leaving and has wrote this season off early.
Disagree with me all you want. That is what I see and there is nothing wrong with that. It's his program, lets move on.
I wish both Deonte and John D nothing but the best...especially Deonte being a Milwaukee kid.
I'm done with it. No wait a minute...on second thought I just read this link on it http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/285252111.html?page=1 and read John Dawson's fathers angle on it.
NOW I AM UPSET. 13,000 miles to come here and out of 41 other Universities and his dad is a coach himself of 37 years!?
Let me get out of here while I can now . . . that makes me look at things differently. So John did not transfer, he was asked to leave??? I dont know about that...
There's a lot of dumb in this. The least of which is you thinking Clovis, NM is 13,000 miles from MKE.
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I pray this is the case...Deonte should return if he can. Surely they can make it work?
There's no way it can work. And don't call me Shirley.
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That is bull because he played within the team framework at Milwaukee Vincent.
Vincent isn't regarded as a great coaching school. They get great athletes and usually have more talent than the teams on the other side of the court, but Burton had a chance to get great high school coaching when he went to Brewster Academy. He couldn't get off the bench and transferred back to Vincent. They haven't had great coaching there since Tom Diener left in 2008.
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Vincent isn't regarded as a great coaching school. They get great athletes and usually have more talent than the teams on the other side of the court, but Burton had a chance to get great high school coaching when he went to Brewster Academy. He couldn't get off the bench and transferred back to Vincent. They haven't had great coaching there since Tom Diener left in 2008.
He came back because his mom was sick. Don't need to be a d.
Deonte is a tremendous loss. You guys can spin it any way you'd like, but if you disagree with me you are wrong.
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Deonte is a tremendous loss. You guys can spin it any way you'd like, but if you disagree with me you are wrong.
lol
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Wish these guys the best in their future and hope they both land on their feet. That being said I'm happy this was done now, I want kids who want to be at Marquette.
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He came back because his mom was sick. Don't need to be a d.
Deonte is a tremendous loss. You guys can spin it any way you'd like, but if you disagree with me you are wrong.
Deonte is a tremendous loss. Don't know how me saying he has All-American potential could make that any more clear. But he also hasn't given near the effort required to become that type of player, and if you disagree with me you are wrong.
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/285252111.html
Quotes from his dad, but certainly sounds like Dawson was encouraged to seek other opportunities.
"For a kid to know what they have, he's a confident individual. But different coaches are different. I don't blame Wojo, I don't blame Buzz, I don't blame anybody. ... I have no bad things (to say). I'm just as excited that he got to wear the blue and gold of the Eagles as anybody."
Just because Mr. Dawson assigns no blame to Wojo, however, it doesn't mean Scoopers will be so gracious.
Hell, I can't believe we haven't fired Wojo already. I mean, he hasn't even won an NCAA tournament game yet, and he only has secured a commitment from one top-10 recruit! What an effen loser!!!!
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So @MarquetteMBB tweeted out this picture about 15 minutes ago:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gLOFnCIAIJtxO.jpg)
Followed four minutes later by this picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gMD6vCUAIVlKk.jpg)
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So @MarquetteMBB tweeted out this picture about 15 minutes ago:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gLOFnCIAIJtxO.jpg)
Followed four minutes later by this picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gMD6vCUAIVlKk.jpg)
Well that's unfortunate
We should probably fire Wojo for this
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Well that's unfortunate
We should probably fire Wojo for this
I am sure some poor intern is going to be taking the fall for this one, rightfully so or not.
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I am sure some poor intern is going to be taking the fall for this one, rightfully so or not.
I've been that fall guy. It's part of learning and being an intern. Probably a stern talkin' to that's all.
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I've been that fall guy. It's part of learning and being an intern. Probably a stern talkin' to that's all.
My current job is the first place I have ever worked that had a significant number of interns, and I have discovered that their main function is to take the blame for anything that goes wrong. Any time I ask someone for information they owe me, their go-to response is, "Oh, I gave it to my intern to give to you.....wonder what they did with it...."
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Interns are good for one thing...
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So @MarquetteMBB tweeted out this picture about 15 minutes ago:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gLOFnCIAIJtxO.jpg)
Followed four minutes later by this picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gMD6vCUAIVlKk.jpg)
I always though Cohen and Burton had similar games. It's obvious Wojo wanted Burton gone because he had a younger guy who can do the same things.
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I always though Cohen and Burton had similar games. It's obvious Wojo wanted Burton gone because he had a younger guy who can do the same things.
Yes, these pictures prove they are completely interchangeable
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Chitown, I double dog dare you to photoshop your own image in place of Luke's. You'll absolutely earn post of the year.
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My current job is the first place I have ever worked that had a significant number of interns, and I have discovered that their main function is to take the blame for anything that goes wrong. Any time I ask someone for information they owe me, their go-to response is, "Oh, I gave it to my intern to give to you.....wonder what they did with it...."
We have a ton of interns where I work, and they actually get a ton of work and we generally don't blame them for a lot. Though there is a running meme about "intern season". Late May all of a sudden there are a bunch of young people running around dressed up like they are going to a club....it's fascinating to watch how long it takes them to figure out the professional dress code.
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Chitown, I double dog dare you to photoshop your own image in place of Luke's. You'll absolutely earn post of the year.
I'll triple dog the double dog.
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Chitown, I double dog dare you to photoshop your own image in place of Luke's. You'll absolutely earn post of the year.
Actually, I think the edit should be where Deonte was.
Photoshop contest! Who/what can we substitute for Deonte? I just wish I knew the program better.
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Photoshop contest! Who/what can we substitute for Deonte? I just wish I knew the program better.
I nominate mu03eng's source...
(http://cjdellatore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/question-mark-face1.jpg)
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Actually, I think the edit should be where Deonte was.
Photoshop contest! Who/what can we substitute for Deonte? I just wish I knew the program better.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2012/writers/rob_dauster/10/15/VCU-Midnight-Madness/Shaka-Smart.jpg)
or
(http://thisisgettingold.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/D.J.-Newbill.jpg)
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Chitown, I double dog dare you to photoshop your own image in place of Luke's. You'll absolutely earn post of the year.
Photoshopping one Luke for another? I like it. There are plenty of photos of me floating around the MU athletics site. Some of which I'm probably wearing a jersey.
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Photoshopping one Luke for another? I like it. There are plenty of photos of me floating around the MU athletics site. Some of which I'm probably wearing a jersey.
Here is a Luke in a jersey, if you need one.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1305297382/ij7vQkN8_400x400)
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Interns are good for one thing...
Bill Clinton's MO
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So @MarquetteMBB tweeted out this picture about 15 minutes ago:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gLOFnCIAIJtxO.jpg)
Followed four minutes later by this picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gMD6vCUAIVlKk.jpg)
Loved the video from B&G this weekend featuring Dawson talking about how great his Marquette experience is. Welp
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Yes, these pictures prove they are completely interchangeable
I thought the humor & sarcasm were so obvious that they would reach out and grab you by the throat. I guess I thought wrong.
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I thought the humor & sarcasm were so obvious that they would reach out and grab you by the throat. I guess I thought wrong.
I've seen way more outrageous statements about the transfers that were dead serious, so who can tell any more?
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I've seen way more outrageous statements about the transfers that were dead serious, so who can tell any more?
After some of the stuff here the last day or so, I see your point.
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So @MarquetteMBB tweeted out this picture about 15 minutes ago:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gLOFnCIAIJtxO.jpg)
Followed four minutes later by this picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4gMD6vCUAIVlKk.jpg)
The University of Wisconsin does not approve of this Photoshop job... they have suggested an alternative.
(http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45613.0;attach=5402;image)
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+1 Benny! Brilliant 8-)
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I pray this is the case...Deonte should return if he can. Surely they can make it work?
You pray 'bout this kinda trivial chit?
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"For a kid to know what they have, he's a confident individual. But different coaches are different. I don't blame Wojo, I don't blame Buzz, I don't blame anybody. ... I have no bad things (to say). I'm just as excited that he got to wear the blue and gold of the Eagles as anybody."
Just because Mr. Dawson assigns no blame to Wojo, however, it doesn't mean Scoopers will be so gracious.
Hell, I can't believe we haven't fired Wojo already. I mean, he hasn't even won an NCAA tournament game yet, and he only has secured a commitment from one top-10 recruit! What an effen loser!!!!
Mr. Dawson always struck me as a man with class. Good luck sir, to you and your son.