Burton and Dawson to Transer

[PGsHeroes32]

I think Wally is a lot better then people give him credit for.

He better have improved A LOT from his time with the gophers then

[PGsHeroes32]

Burton's decision doesn't make sense at this moment. He just screwed himself out of so much eligibility. At least stick it out this year so you get 2 years lol.

And Dawson really only has 1.5 left too even though he played in 1 game this year? Wow, that blows.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Burton's decision doesn't make sense at this moment. He just screwed himself out of so much eligibility. At least stick it out this year so you get 2 years lol.

And Dawson really only has 1.5 left too even though he played in 1 game this year? Wow, that blows.

Since he only played in one game can he petition for a full year?

[NersEllenson]

We lost a couple of good players today.  Obviously most of us expected Dawson to transfer - but Burton?  Comes as a pretty big bombshell - and loss for the MU program.  Clearly it didn't click between Deonte and Wojo.  You never want to see a Top 50 local kid transfer, that showed a lot of promise as a freshman.

Can't blame either one of them for their decision - Dawson's was a no-brainer, yet Deonte had to be quite frustrated as well given his limited playing time considering he blossomed at end of last season and earned All Big East Freshman honors (in 12 minutes per game.)

Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work.  Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag.  As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.)  Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.

[Nevada233]

Burton's decision doesn't make sense at this moment. He just screwed himself out of so much eligibility. At least stick it out this year so you get 2 years lol.

And Dawson really only has 1.5 left too even though he played in 1 game this year? Wow, that blows.

Not true....

Respect the process.....

[The Lens]

 As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.)  Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.

I heard it was mutual and the nailing was done to benefit JD.  He should be able to get a full year now.

[Shark]

We lost a couple of good players today.  Obviously most of us expected Dawson to transfer - but Burton?  Comes as a pretty big bombshell - and loss for the MU program.  Clearly it didn't click between Deonte and Wojo.  You never want to see a Top 50 local kid transfer, that showed a lot of promise as a freshman.

Can't blame either one of them for their decision - Dawson's was a no-brainer, yet Deonte had to be quite frustrated as well given his limited playing time considering he blossomed at end of last season and earned All Big East Freshman honors (in 12 minutes per game.)

Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work.  Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag.  As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.)  Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.

Look, I was as big a fan of Burton's as you but let's not sit here and act like this means Wojo is a failure. Deonte looked generally horrible in the time he played this year. He forced nearly every possession he touched and played some bad defense. I think it's just a different system and Deonte also has been going through some issues as have been highlighted. If you look at the guys coming in and the way Wojo's offense has been run you start to understand why Deonte may have felt it was a good idea to leave.

[79Warrior]

We lost a couple of good players today.  Obviously most of us expected Dawson to transfer - but Burton?  Comes as a pretty big bombshell - and loss for the MU program.  Clearly it didn't click between Deonte and Wojo.  You never want to see a Top 50 local kid transfer, that showed a lot of promise as a freshman.

Can't blame either one of them for their decision - Dawson's was a no-brainer, yet Deonte had to be quite frustrated as well given his limited playing time considering he blossomed at end of last season and earned All Big East Freshman honors (in 12 minutes per game.)

Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work.  Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag.  As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.)  Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.

Why is losing Burton a red flag? He did not fit the system. Wojo knows what he wants and will build his program. In a few years we will see how it all works out. Burton looked like he has regressed from last season.

[Nukem2]

Not true....

Respect the process.....

True, unless he can qualify for a medical redshirt.  Also muddying the water is that he played in the exhibition game and the closed scrimmage at VA.

[PGsHeroes32]

Not true....

Respect the process.....

What does this even mean.....?

[PGsHeroes32]

Since he only played in one game can he petition for a full year?

What I am gathering is that he can't. That would really suck for him. Basically lost 2.5 years of college basketball in 1 season for sporadic playing time. Dang.

[NersEllenson]

Look, I was as big a fan of Burton's as you but let's not sit here and act like this means Wojo is a failure. Deonte looked generally horrible in the time he played this year. He forced nearly every possession he touched and played some bad defense. I think it's just a different system and Deonte also has been going through some issues as have been highlighted. If you look at the guys coming in and the way Wojo's offense has been run you start to understand why Deonte may have felt it was a good idea to leave.

Not saying it means Wojo is a failure by any means - but it raises a red flag..or perhaps more appropriate a Yellow flag.  You never want to see a Top 50, local recruit, that has a ton of potential transfer out of your program halfway through his sophomore year/your first semester as a head coach.

I agree Deonte struggled this season, yet he showed A LOT as a freshman, and for whatever reason regressed under Wojo this season - perhaps as simple as his Mom's passing - yet also probably due to it not clicking between him and Wojo.

[humanlung]

I'm heartbroken.

Which one broke up with you, ruining your weekend/holiday plans?

[Shark]

Not saying it means Wojo is a failure by any means - but it raises a red flag..or perhaps more appropriate a Yellow flag.  You never want to see a Top 50, local recruit, that has a ton of potential transfer out of your program halfway through his sophomore year/your first semester as a head coach.

I agree Deonte struggled this season, yet he showed A LOT as a freshman, and for whatever reason regressed under Wojo this season - perhaps as simple as his Mom's passing - yet also probably due to it not clicking between him and Wojo.

Most top 50 local guys don't have their mom die in the same year as a complete coaching staff overhaul. That's also excluding the fact that 4 guys who will be coming onto the roster next year can take some of his minutes.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Deonte was a great kid. Would always talk to people around campus, pretty smart kid too. John was also a good guy. As I mentioned the other day he randomly dropped by my friends apartment. Both of them will be missed. Im especially going to miss Deonte who was an ESPN top 10 play waiting to happen.

[Pakuni]

Both will have nice careers elsewhere, and let's hope Wojo's replacements/plan work.  Losing Burton, in my opinion, is a red flag.  As for Dawson, clearly Wojo wanted John to transfer (no other reason you nail a guy like that, who showed some promise as a freshman to the bench.)  Let's hope Wojo's talent evaluation skills are precise.

Is it more of a red flag than losing Mbakwe or Christopherson?
as you know, it's common for a kid to bolt when a new coach comes in and he doesn't fit in with what the coach is trying to do. For all we know, the only thing that kept Deonte from transferring before the semester began was his need to stay in town for his mother.

Is it wishful thinking to hope this is the last we hear of John Dawson's promise?

[NersEllenson]

What I am gathering is that he can't. That would really suck for him. Basically lost 2.5 years of college basketball in 1 season for sporadic playing time. Dang.

Not correct - he loses 1.5 years.  He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...

[NersEllenson]

I heard it was mutual and the nailing was done to benefit JD.  He should be able to get a full year now.

Neither are true...

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Not correct - he loses 1.5 years.  He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...

No, Luke was a freshman when he transferred. Deonte and John are sophomores.

[Nukem2]

Not correct - he loses 1.5 years.  He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...

Fischer was a frosh.  Dawson is a soph.

[NersEllenson]

Is it more of a red flag than losing Mbakwe or Christopherson?
as you know, it's common for a kid to bolt when a new coach comes in and he doesn't fit in with what the coach is trying to do. For all we know, the only thing that kept Deonte from transferring before the semester began was his need to stay in town for his mother.

Is it wishful thinking to hope this is the last we hear of John Dawson's promise?

I think it's more of a red flag, because in Burton and Dawson's case - they both bought into what Wojo sold upon his hire and decided to stay.  Then after 2 months of practice/games, they felt it best to go elsewhere.

And obviously won't have a lot to say about Dawson's potential/promise moving forward, but of course will follow his career elsewhere...much as many of us do with transfers.

[jsglow]

What I am gathering is that he can't. That would really suck for him. Basically lost 2.5 years of college basketball in 1 season for sporadic playing time. Dang.

I'm confused.  Let's see if I have this correct.  The logic applies for both John and Deonte.  BOTH accrued minutes here in 2014-15 so that counts as the Sophomore year eligibility.  Both will presumably suit up after winter exams next Christmas and play one half a season counting as their Junior year.  So each only has 1.5 years left.  Just like Luke has 2.5 years left.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Not correct - he loses 1.5 years.  He'll be eligible for 2.5 college seasons elsewhere...think Luke Fischer...

No.

If they both transfer right now, they will be eligible for half of their junior year, and all of their senior year.

[Pakuni]

Not saying it means Wojo is a failure by any means - but it raises a red flag..or perhaps more appropriate a Yellow flag.  You never want to see a Top 50, local recruit, that has a ton of potential transfer out of your program halfway through his sophomore year/your first semester as a head coach.

I agree Deonte struggled this season, yet he showed A LOT as a freshman, and for whatever reason regressed under Wojo this season - perhaps as simple as his Mom's passing - yet also probably due to it not clicking between him and Wojo.

Not sure why you want to make these things personal. In all likelihood, they're not.
We've now seen two Marquette head coaches who:
a) Didn't think John Dawson deserved minutes over other guys on the roster, including Derrick Wilson
b) Limited Deonte Burton's minutes despite his obvious athleticism and offensive skills.

Who knows .... maybe Wojo just didn't like Deonte and Dawson. But it's far, far, far more likely that he - like the coach before him - found some facets of their games lacking and believed there were better options.

[SuddenSam]

Apparently, Burton meant more to program than Wojo.  Wish Burton and Dawson the best but, sorry, I'll put my money with Wojo.