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[Atticus]

Why is it called the school of broken toys?

[brandx]

 

Not at all.  I'm just not willing to blindly accept unequivocal statements without some idea of how credible the sourcing is.  Not the poster, the sourcing.  

Then don't. Nobody will care.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Why is it called the school of broken toys?

Because at least half the team is made up of transfers, including our own Jameel McKay.

[jsglow]

I don't think so. I think Buzz and Wojio want two completely different types of players.

Maybe so but not at mid-season with 3 D1 bodies on the bench.

[79Warrior]

Deonte was playing 16 mostly ineffective minutes per game off the bench.
I'm sad to see him go, too, and I don't think this helps MU at all this season, but he wasn't exactly the key to the team's success.

Yep. Deonte just did not have it going this season.

I would really love to know what is going on in practice. Clearly Dawson is not a suprise. Burton at least was playing.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Gotta disagree here.

In limited attempts last season he shot better from 3 than JJJ (.290), Anderson (.192), Taylor (.154) or Wilson (.071)

He averaged more rebounds per 40 minutes than Derrick, Mayo, Dawson, Thomas, or JJJ - in other words the only players to out rebound him were our bigs that played more minutes (Gardner, Otule, Jamil, Anderson)

His limitations this season for the most part is BECAUSE he's forced to play out of position.  He would be fine at the 3 if we had the bodies inside to allow him to use his physical advantages over others at the position.

He's pretty raw as a SF, and the further he gets from the basket, the more apparent it gets.

He needs time to refine his game.

But, that's doesn't mean he's only a PF, and it doesn't mean he cant be a very good player at a high major.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

So they're both basically blowing a year of eligibility for this, correct?

Assuming they both transfer after the semester, they'll only have 1.5 years of eligibility left.

[Atticus]

Because at least half the team is made up of transfers, including our own Jameel McKay.

Didnt Buzz do virtually the same thing?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Didnt Buzz do virtually the same thing?

No.  Whole different level. 

[Nukem2]

So they're both basically blowing a year of eligibility for this, correct?

Assuming they both transfer after the semester, they'll only have 1.5 years of eligibility left.

Yup.  Thogh they could sit out all of next year and have 2 full seasons of eligibility.

[ecompt]

Maybe so but not at mid-season with 3 D1 bodies on the bench.

Maybe, but this is Wojo's team and it's going to be his players and they're going to play the want he wants or they can leave.

[mu03eng]

Geez, they're fast....gomarquette already has the roster updated.

[GGGG]

He's pretty raw as a SF, and the further he gets from the basket, the more apparent it gets.

He needs time to refine his game.

But, that's doesn't mean he's only a PF, and it doesn't mean he's can be a very good player at a high major.

Except he only has 3 semesters of eligibility left.  Of course he is going to be (likely) coached by someone new for the next year, but you are talking about three coaches in less than a year's time.  At some point you have to be more than potential.

[Lighthouse 84]

Thank you so much...... Its appreciated very much.. Its been fun.  

Anyone see this post and wonder who Nevada is?

How about this post from a few days ago?


MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: Wiscy thoughts   on: December 06, 2014, 03:21:35 PM

If Dawson transfers, will you stop posting?

You bring a lot to this board, granted. But every now and then you post things like this. With no provocation. And many other problems with many players today.

Done Deal!

[martyconlonontherun]

Not that Burton was the answer, but we have a big hole in the 3 spot next year:

Guards: Rotation of Wilson, Cohen, Noskowiak

Wings: Johnson, Cheatham

Bigs: Ellenson X2, Fischer, Heldt, STJ

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Except he only has 3 semesters of eligibility left.  Of course he is going to be (likely) coached by someone new for the next year, but you are talking about three coaches in less than a year's time.  At some point you have to be more than potential.

That's fair.

He's not the next Barkley (I argued strongly against that comparison), but I think he has potential to be a very good college player.

He doesn't look good right now, and I have to think it's mental, not physical. A fresh start might be what he needs to get going again.

I don't know how it would effect his eligibility, but maybe he should take the rest of the year off, and enroll someplace in the summer/fall.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Anyone see this post and wonder who Nevada is?

How about this post from a few days ago?


MUScoop / Hangin' at the Al / Re: Wiscy thoughts   on: December 06, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 06, 2014, 01:31:40 PM
If Dawson transfers, will you stop posting?

You bring a lot to this board, granted. But every now and then you post things like this. With no provocation. And many other problems with many players today.

Done Deal!

Yes.  Always thought he was related to John...pretty obvious from that the poster is related, if not actually him.

[GGGG]

Not that Burton was the answer, but we have a big hole in the 3 spot next year:

Guards: Rotation of Wilson, Cohen, Noskowiak

Wings: Johnson, Cheatham

Bigs: Ellenson X2, Fischer, Heldt, STJ

The Ellensons are both wing players.  I wouldn't doubt the starting line up will look something like this:

Duane/Transfer PG
Johnson/Duane
H. Ellenson
Taylor
Fischer

[jaygall31]

Still doesn't make much sense to me. Wondering what Burtons version is.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

The Ellensons are both wing players.  I wouldn't doubt the starting line up will look something like this:

Duane/Transfer PG
Johnson/Duane
H. Ellenson
Taylor
Fischer

Not enough depth at 4&5 for that. Foul trouble would kill that team.

UNLESS, MU brings in a JUCO or Grad transfer post player.

I've never seen Hedlt play, but frosh. bigs often take time to develop. Hard to ask him to play as the the primary post back-up from day #1.

[ATWizJr]

Then don't. Nobody will care.

Awww, x-ie you will. 

[Pakuni]

The Ellensons are both wing players.  I wouldn't doubt the starting line up will look something like this:

Duane/Transfer PG
Johnson/Duane
H. Ellenson
Taylor
Fischer

I think Henry's going to be more of a stretch four, in the Kyle Singler mold (tempted to throw out the names Durant, Love and Nowitzki, but keeping expectations in check).

[GooooMarquette]

Wow.  Just seeing this now, as I was in a meeting.

Sad to see these guys leave.  Best of luck to them both.  

[4everwarriors]

Ain't no big thang. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Next man up, hey?

[nyg]

Wojo spent his entire assistant coaching career under Coach K.  Being at Duke that long and not being at any other institution, Wojo has learned a system that has been extremely successful and probably will not change his strategy in the near future.

If you look at the Duke program and insert the MU 2015 players, they always have a couple of bigmen (Fischer, Heldt), one or two power forward types (Taylor/Henry Ellenson) and a whole bunch of others ranging in height.  The one common thread of these players is that they can shoot and play defense.  Again, shoot and play defense.  The college game has changed over the years and the three point shot has become one of the main aspects.  Duke takes a lot of three pointers and always has. In 2015, MU will have, and Wojo will probably continue to fill, players of that category:

Du Wilson
Nick N
Cheatham (yes this guy can shoot)
JJJ
Wally Ellenson
Cohen

Maybe Burton didn't fit into the outside shooting aspect and he was not real effective on defense, but something did not fit placing him in that category.  Otherwise his minutes would not have been those of basically a bench role player.  He is athletic though and will be a welcome addition to many programs.  

Dawson, well, I don't think anyone has a clue as to what happened there.  

The team will surely look for a point guard, then in 2016 a potential replacement for Henry.

Eight kids on the roster, going to be a long year, but I believe Wojo is "mirroring" the Duke system and those who could not fit in are moving on.