Maymon timing is a bit unusual......

[dennycrane]

The same Marquette poster, Puju, also posted a follow-up several weeks ago.  He said that he felt a lot more comfortable about both Maymon and his father based on further conversations with another Memorial parent.

You seem to have an awfully poor opinion of the actions of a then-16 year-old and an involved father.

That is what I am talking about with the 180 degree turn. What a fan may have seen with their own eyes and disturbed them under different circumstances now is not as important once circumstances have changed. From an extremely scathing and negative report to being a lot more comfortable? It is his opinion and he is entitled to it.

I have not offered much of an opinion on Maymon and his father. I have stayed with what is already known. I am looking at the big picture with my eyes wide open.

[mviale]

Thanks for the big picture, however keep these things in mind about Bo and Crean:

1) Crean may have missed the boat on Maymon by focusing on Wilson which may have a futile effort
2) Bo doesnt have anymore schoolies and played it safe.

[Henry Sugar]

That is what I am talking about with the 180 degree turn. What a fan may have seen with their own eyes and disturbed them under different circumstances now is not as important once circumstances have changed. From an extremely scathing and negative report to being a lot more comfortable? It is his opinion and he is entitled to it.

I have not offered much of an opinion on Maymon and his father. I have stayed with what is already known. I am looking at the big picture with my eyes wide open.

Or the poster had one isolated incident viewing and obtained additional information from a conversation with the parent of another Memorial basketball player.  You make it sound like Puju panned on Maymon when it was convenient and then started backing him when Buzz started recruiting Maymon.

As far as not offering much of an opinion, that is incorrect.  You have made your negative opinion of Maymon and his father very well known.  For what purpose?  What good comes of it?

[dennycrane]

Or the poster had one isolated incident viewing and obtained additional information from a conversation with the parent of another Memorial basketball player.  You make it sound like Puju panned on Maymon when it was convenient and then started backing him when Buzz started recruiting Maymon.

As far as not offering much of an opinion, that is incorrect.  You have made your negative opinion of Maymon and his father very well known.  For what purpose?  What good comes of it?

The original negative message was a very strong. I am assuming you read it as well.  I did not know he had changed his opinion or the time line until you wrote about it in this thread. He is entitled to his opinion.

What I may have stated about the Maymon's is not opinion. I see no need to rehash the issues again. There have been red flags. Coaches can not recruit with blinders on. They must consider all issues when recruiting.

There are differing opinions in this case both among different coaches as well as fans. I believe it is worthy of discussion. Your opinion is that it is not.

[Murffieus]

Thanks for the big picture, however keep these things in mind about Bo and Crean:

1) Crean may have missed the boat on Maymon by focusing on Wilson which may have a futile effort
2) Bo doesnt have anymore schoolies and played it safe.

Why wouldn't TC go after both playing one against the other (the first guy that commits voids the other).

Long before Bo used his final schollie for 2009 (which was last week), he had plenty of time to woo Maymon if he was so predisposed.

IMO Maymon will/should choose MU for a number of reasons------proximity, get back at Bo for not showing interest, and MU has the best program/tradition of the three schools he reportedly is considering.

However the bigger question is why TC and Bo didn't show any interest whatsoever EVEN after that colassal performance at the Wisc State Tournament.

[ATWizJr]

Can't answer for TC, but I doubt that Maymon is the system type player that Bo usually recruits.  Maymon  strikes me as a physical presence who loves to go to the hoop but my not have the midrange jumper that Bo likes in his players.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Can't answer for TC, but I doubt that Maymon is the system type player that Bo usually recruits.  Maymon  strikes me as a physical presence who loves to go to the hoop but my not have the midrange jumper that Bo likes in his players.

plus he's not 7', white, from northern wisconsin or minnesota, athletic.  definately wouldn't work in the swing.   

[mviale]

another mistake by TC

[bma725]

Or the poster had one isolated incident viewing and obtained additional information from a conversation with the parent of another Memorial basketball player. 

It wasn't one isolated incident.  Puju has posted in the past about having children at Memorial including one in Maymon's grade, he's seen Tim Maymon's behavior on several occasions.

And while he did say he was more comfortable with the attitude issues, he still has said that the academics are a major concern, and did not like the idea that the kid was planning on taking more visits when Memorial only has a few weeks left and he needs to bring his GPA up.

[bananahammock]

 JM has A LOT of work to do in the classroom.  no matter what school he chooses on tuesday, i'd say there's a good chance he won't be there in fall of '09.

hopefully, once he selects a school, he can focus on the books and make the necessary strides.  i hope he gets his priorities in order!

[Henry Sugar]

It wasn't one isolated incident.  Puju has posted in the past about having children at Memorial including one in Maymon's grade, he's seen Tim Maymon's behavior on several occasions.

And while he did say he was more comfortable with the attitude issues, he still has said that the academics are a major concern, and did not like the idea that the kid was planning on taking more visits when Memorial only has a few weeks left and he needs to bring his GPA up.

Totally agree on all counts.  My mistake on saying "one" incident.  I know that there are risks associated with Maymon on grades, and I know that his father has a rep.  No one is dismissing these things.

Basically, the kid was screwing up a bunch early on with his grades and some attitude issues... when he was 14 or 15!  Do most of us realize exactly how young that is? 

I just take umbrage with dennycrane focusing exclusively on the risks and harping on the past actions of a child.

Again, whatever decision Maymon makes is win-win for Marquette. 

[dennycrane]

Totally agree on all counts.  My mistake on saying "one" incident.  I know that there are risks associated with Maymon on grades, and I know that his father has a rep.  No one is dismissing these things.

Basically, the kid was screwing up a bunch early on with his grades and some attitude issues... when he was 14 or 15!  Do most of us realize exactly how young that is? 

I just take umbrage with dennycrane focusing exclusively on the risks and harping on the past actions of a child.

Again, whatever decision Maymon makes is win-win for Marquette. 

I made my point early. You have tried to attacked or dismiss that point using several angles. I am defending my opinion. You would like to dismiss any issues that do not fit your argument.

Maymon is the same age as the other recruits from that recruiting pool. All the recruits in that pool will have their actions reviewed by the schools recruiting them. The good and the bad. In Maymon's case there is disagreement at all levels.

To say there is no risk with taking a player like Maymon is being dishonest. There is risk. The question is whether the risk is warranted in this particular case.

This will be Buzz's first recruiting class. He will be making a statement with the players he brings in. I think all issues need to be weighed.

[ATWizJr]

dennycrane - I  think it is well known and acknowledged that there are risks with taking any 18 year old.  In Maymon's case, the risks are associated with his academics, and possibly his attitude and the possibility of parental overinvolvement.  No one has denied this.

With other players the risks might be-can the kid develop into a BE player, is he injury prone, is he athletic enough for MU, can he adjust to college life?

So, any recruit, including Maymon, comes with his own particular brand of questions.

Although there have been innumerabale disagreements on this board over any number of issues, in virtually all cases all opinions have been welcome.  You seem to think that your's is receiving extra scrutiny.  I disagree.

[dennycrane]

dennycrane - I  think it is well known and acknowledged that there are risks with taking any 18 year old.  In Maymon's case, the risks are associated with his academics, and possibly his attitude and the possibility of parental overinvolvement.  No one has denied this.

With other players the risks might be-can the kid develop into a BE player, is he injury prone, is he athletic enough for MU, can he adjust to college life?

So, any recruit, including Maymon, comes with his own particular brand of questions.

Although there have been innumerabale disagreements on this board over any number of issues, in virtually all cases all opinions have been welcome.  You seem to think that your's is receiving extra scrutiny.  I disagree.

My posts are not under more scrutiny. I was accused of "harping" on a particular point. Wanted to address the questions directed toward the posts I made. Not harp.

[Henry Sugar]

I made my point early. You have tried to attacked or dismiss that point using several angles. I am defending my opinion. You would like to dismiss any issues that do not fit your argument.

Maymon is the same age as the other recruits from that recruiting pool. All the recruits in that pool will have their actions reviewed by the schools recruiting them. The good and the bad. In Maymon's case there is disagreement at all levels.

To say there is no risk with taking a player like Maymon is being dishonest. There is risk. The question is whether the risk is warranted in this particular case.

This will be Buzz's first recruiting class. He will be making a statement with the players he brings in. I think all issues need to be weighed.

Please stop putting words in my mouth, because you are mis-representing my opinion.  I have clearly acknowledged the risks associated with Maymon, in fact in the same post you just quoted.  Not to mention that you've contradicted yourself twice in this thread... on top of mis-representing my opinion.

If you really feel all issues need to be weighed, then you would present other issues.  Instead, you are "harping" only on the negative aspects of Maymon and his father.  I have yet to see you present any positive aspects associated with Maymon.

[mviale]

Tuesday is a win-win for MU.

1) he decides to go to Baylor - we can take the holier than thou approach(see crane above)
2) he decides to go with MU - he has a year to get his act together.

[dennycrane]

If you really feel all issues need to be weighed, then you would present other issues.  Instead, you are "harping" only on the negative aspects of Maymon and his father.  I have yet to see you present any positive aspects associated with Maymon.

Readers know what the issues are. The positive is that Maymon is a good basketball player who can help the program win games. The negatives are the things already discussed that you say I am harping on.

People can make their own check list as to what they believe is important when recruiting a student athlete to Marquette.

[dennycrane]

Tuesday is a win-win for MU.

1) he decides to go to Baylor - we can take the holier than thou approach(see crane above)
2) he decides to go with MU - he has a year to get his act together.

Is this a "holier than thou" approach? Maymon has offers from Baylor and ISU. Not exactly world beaters. Many programs are on the wait and see track with Maymon.

Even by his fathers admission grades are a significant question. What is the rush? Show me the academic commitment and improvement this spring, summer and next fall. Show me Maymon is on a realistic path to academic eligibility.

I am looking at this as Marquette committing a scholarship to Maymon as much as the other way around. A scholarship that could be used on another student athlete in better shape academically. Next spring is Buzz scrambling to fill that spot again?

[THEGYMBAR]

Is everyone so negative about the kid because if we don't get himyou won't be disappointed? Come on rally together. If Buzz wants the kid why wouldn't we?

[nola03]

Is everyone so negative about the kid because if we don't get himyou won't be disappointed? Come on rally together. If Buzz wants the kid why wouldn't we?

Because it's probable he won't ever qualify to play at Marquette.

Because he's been suspended from school for his misbehavior.

Because his father's comments come off as overbearing at times and it adds unneeded baggage to an otherwise risky recruit.

[THEGYMBAR]

Nola---So you do not trust Buzz's judgement in making the offer?

[Murffieus]

I have it from very good authority that Maymon's dad gets very involved during games----like running up and down the floor during games hollering out instructions as though he were the coach. How can a coach put up with THAT?

[mviale]

Murf - do you honestly believe he will do that in the Bradley Center?

[wadesworld]

In regards to his father: There is a HUGE difference between parent involvement in high school basketball and parent involvement in college basketball.  I guarantee you his father will not be allowed to run up and down the sidelines during any games at the Bradley Center (or wherever his son is playing his games at in college).  I also guarantee you that if we don't "run our offense through Maymon" it will be Jeronne, not Tim, who has to approach the coach if he does not like it.  The father will not be a problem in college, and if he is then Maymon will transfer and we'll have his scholarship to give to another player anyway.

In regards to his academics: I remember a guy in 2001 who was a risk to offer a scholarship to because of his academics.  He came here and sat out his first year, and then 2 years later led us to the Final Four.  He also went on to win the NBA Finals MVP in 2006 and is a very big reason as to why we have been able to keep a high level of basketball at Marquette University.  He posted a 3.0 GPA his last semester at Marquette.  If nobody understood, it's Dwyane Wade.

Every player is a risk.  That's how it is.  You can't predict how these players are unless they are the Michael Beasley's or the OJ Mayo's who we don't get, and even they come with risks (just ask USC and the agents who payed Mayo...Beasley had "attitude issues" in high school, he was fine at Kansas State).

[Murffieus]

Murf - do you honestly believe he will do that in the Bradley Center?

I really don't know-----but the point is that the old man is very intense and supersensitive toward his son's success------and given what i've heard, I wouldn't put anything past him.

Such things as being constantly on the phone badgering the coach-----or seeking him out after a game------
or worse yet feeding the kid all kinds of negativity regarting PT or number of touches.