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Marquette vs
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Date/Time: Feb 18, 2025 8:00pm
TV: CBS Sports Net
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AlienWarrior

Not accepting transfers is a thing of the past. We need help inside, so if a transfer becomes available, we have to consider him. This "we are family" mantra needs to go.

Uconn played great D against our guards, took them out of rhythm offensively and we got outrebounded once again We are 2nd to last in rebounding in the BEast.

It looks like St Johns is the top rebounding team in the conference and they have good guard defense. We will have our hands full at a packed MSG on Tuesday.

NickelDimer

No Finish Line

ATL MU Warrior

Thankfully, they don't shoot the ball well.  Going to be an ugly game. 

WhiteTrash

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 02, 2025, 10:52:39 AMThankfully, they don't shoot the ball well.  Going to be an ugly game.
Can't be uglier than yesterday. Right?

Billy Hoyle

"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Spaniel with a Short Tail

Got punched in the mouth early and got too far down to recover. Solo Ball was in sniper mode which is what really killed us. I saw some positives from this game including the amount of turnovers we forced, Kam finishing better at the rim, second half defensive effort that I'm not overly worried. The biggest concern to me is the mind-boggling FT shooting especially Kam's struggles. Then again, as I have been told...


GoldenEagles03

They need to play desperate from the jump ball, not just after they trail at halftime.

Only 2 players made shots in the 1st half for us.

https://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1885873719517553091?t=aL3SeKB9rjG5fgK1XSaO0w&s=19
VIOLENCE!

MuggsyB

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 02, 2025, 12:12:15 PMGot punched in the mouth early and got too far down to recover. Solo Ball was in sniper mode which is what really killed us. I saw some positives from this game including the amount of turnovers we forced, Kam finishing better at the rim, second half defensive effort that I'm not overly worried. The biggest concern to me is the mind-boggling FT shooting especially Kam's struggles. Then again, as I have been told...



Who attacked you?  Ty for the synopsis.

Everyone needs to calm down a bit.  Myself included. 

muwarrior69

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 01, 2025, 11:01:38 PMI think two of UConn's worst 3P shooters combined to make their first 4 three pointers. I think the team started pressing after that and it took them 16 minutes to  get over it.

It's weird to say, but I think we outplayed them, but they outshot us. Sometimes that's enough. Win the next two and it doesn't matter.

It was like we had a lid on the basket and all they had to do was throw it up and it went in. Forget the 3 pointers, our layups, dunks and free throws were not going either. It was just not our night. Hope we can turn it around on Tuesday and not be so tentative and uptight and have a good first half for a change. I hope they know that their better than Saturday's game.

MU82

A bad 3-point shooter swished three 3s early for UConn. (He didn't get another point, finished with 6 turnovers, and was benched in the 2H.) Meanwhile, Kam missed a layup, we couldn't make any shots at all, and we missed a bunch of FTs ... and it just kind of snowballed from there.

Our offense was just plain weird. I like to think that the game plan wasn't to go 1-on-1 on almost every possession.

They had 25 turnovers but we only had 10 fastbreak points. Most of their TOs were of the dead-ball variety, especially lots of bad passes out of bounds. Still TOs, and I imagine Hurley is still ticked off about them, but that's partly how they were able to survive them. That, and their shooting.

We played pretty inspired defense in the final minutes of the 1H and for most of the 2H. It seemed like Stevie was everywhere. Ball had a few open looks, obviously, and credit to him for hitting every damn one of them for a soul-crushing 3.

We of course need to shoot better from 3 but we were hurt even more last night by missed bunnies IMHO. Kam missed at least three shots he ALWAYS makes, Chase missed two dunks, Jop hesitated several times when he seemed to have his defender beaten, etc. And then the FT bricks - ugh.

Twice, we had defensive rebounds - 3 or 4 Warriors and 0 Huskies in the picture - and lost the ball out of bounds. Those are killers when the importance of every possession is magnified because you're trying to come back from a big deficit.

I mean, Kam makes even two of those layups, Chase flushes even one of those dunks, we make even 4 more FTs in the 1H, and we hang onto those rebounds, and who knows what the end result is?

Anyhoo ... I really had a fun 10-day trip to the Midwest, spending time with the grandkids, hanging with old MU buddies, and attending 3 games. Unfortunately, the last of those games resulted in the end of my 16-game in-person winning streak. Oh well, nothing lasts forever.

Time to go into the Garden and take down the Johnnies!
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MuggsyB

Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2025, 12:52:48 PMA bad 3-point shooter swished three 3s early for UConn. (He didn't get another point, finished with 6 turnovers, and was benched in the 2H.) Meanwhile, Kam missed a layup, we couldn't make any shots at all, and we missed a bunch of FTs ... and it just kind of snowballed from there.

Our offense was just plain weird. I like to think that the game plan wasn't to go 1-on-1 on almost every possession.

They had 25 turnovers but we only had 10 fastbreak points. Most of their TOs were of the dead-ball variety, especially lots of bad passes out of bounds. Still TOs, and I imagine Hurley is still ticked off about them, but that's partly how they were able to survive them. That, and their shooting.

We played pretty inspired defense in the final minutes of the 1H and for most of the 2H. It seemed like Stevie was everywhere. Ball had a few open looks, obviously, and credit to him for hitting every damn one of them for a soul-crushing 3.

We of course need to shoot better from 3 but we were hurt even more last night by missed bunnies IMHO. Kam missed at least three shots he ALWAYS makes, Chase missed two dunks, Jop hesitated several times when he seemed to have his defender beaten, etc. And then the FT bricks - ugh.

Twice, we had defensive rebounds - 3 or 4 Warriors and 0 Huskies in the picture - and lost the ball out of bounds. Those are killers when the importance of every possession is magnified because you're trying to come back from a big deficit.

I mean, Kam makes even two of those layups, Chase flushes even one of those dunks, we make even 4 more FTs in the 1H, and we hang onto those rebounds, and who knows what the end result is?

Anyhoo ... I really had a fun 10-day trip to the Midwest, spending time with the grandkids, hanging with old MU buddies, and attending 3 games. Unfortunately, the last of those games resulted in the end of my 16-game in-person winning streak. Oh well, nothing lasts forever.

Time to go into the Garden and take down the Johnnies!

Kam being 3-8 from the line in tbe 1H is astonishing to me.  The bottom line is at the end of the day it's about buckets and we struggled. 

tower912

MU82, Shaka said that UConn brought out their extreme stay at home, no help defense.  They did it last season against MU, they did it against Purdue the championship.  They will switch, but they will not help.  No collapsing means no open three point shooters, means that MU has to beat them one on one to make them stop. 
  Really good scouting.  MU forced the turnovers, took 21 more shots than UConn.  UConn shot the lights out when they got shots.
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CountryRoads

Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2025, 12:52:48 PMA bad 3-point shooter swished three 3s early for UConn.

Announcers made a comment about him tying his career high for 3s in a game after the third one. I rolled my eyes and knew exactly the game he got that in. He was the guy who randomly came off the bench and was banking in threes in the big east championship last year with 10 min to go in a 2 point game.

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2025, 01:03:48 PMMU82, Shaka said that UConn brought out their extreme stay at home, no help defense.  They did it last season against MU, they did it against Purdue the championship.  They will switch, but they will not help.  No collapsing means no open three point shooters, means that MU has to beat them one on one to make them stop. 
  Really good scouting.  MU forced the turnovers, took 21 more shots than UConn.  UConn shot the lights out when they got shots.

Thanks for that, tower. I hadn't heard Shaka's comments. I guess it makes sense, but it was weird to watch. The pisser is that our guys did beat the defenders 1-on-1 but missed point-blank shots. Going forward, I would be happy with just about every in-the-paint shot Kam took. 
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manny31

What will Shaka do, what can be done to stop these slow starts? I agree with what others have said. The deficits can be over come against lower level teams but come March these slow starts are going to be a real problem......

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Pakuni on February 02, 2025, 10:27:03 AMNo, I don't agree at all. Your assessment that Marquette outplayed UConn last night eliminates shot making from the equation. Shot making, IMO, is arguably the most important factor in determining which team played better. It's certainly one of the most, if not most, important factor in determining who wins. If last night doesn't prove that, I'm not sure what does.
Just can't buy the argument that the team that shot 20% worse overall, 32% worse from three and 24% worse from the line played better.

Again it sounds like you agree, you just don't like the word outplayed. Sub whatever word or combination is words you think better illustrates the point
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wisblue

It's not entirely accurate to call Stewart a "bad" 3 point shooter. He's really more of a low volume shooter. After last night he is 16 for 42 for a percentage of .381. That percentage would make him one of MU's better 3 point shooters.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2025, 04:36:40 PMIt's not entirely accurate to call Stewart a "bad" 3 point shooter. He's really more of a low volume shooter. After last night he is 16 for 42 for a percentage of .381. That percentage would make him one of MU's better 3 point shooters.

And before the game he was at 33% after shooting 27% last season. Not a guy you really worry about from 3. One hot game can really bump your percentage when you've only taken 39 on the season.

rocky_warrior

If Shaka really wants to shake this...I alluded in the Restaurants thread.  He needs to use Ben Gold.  How many times did UConn go over the top and score with a dunk or a layup and we had no answer (or a foul was called).  Ben could do that. I'm not asking for an aircraft carrier...just use your tall dude.

wisblue

#69
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 02, 2025, 04:41:40 PMAnd before the game he was at 33% after shooting 27% last season. Not a guy you really worry about from 3. One hot game can really bump your percentage when you've only taken 39 on the season.

33% is still higher than Jones or Joplin this year.

Stewart also made 3 threes in the second half of the BE title game last year and 3 of 4 against DePaul on Wednesday, so MU has seen that he can make shots.

MU82

Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2025, 04:36:40 PMIt's not entirely accurate to call Stewart a "bad" 3 point shooter. He's really more of a low volume shooter. After last night he is 16 for 42 for a percentage of .381. That percentage would make him one of MU's better 3 point shooters.

You pick your poison, and Stewart had not been a real 3-point threat in his college career.

And, as I said earlier, after he committed SIX turnovers in about 15 minutes of PT, his arse was bolted to the bench.

Now, Solo Ball, he's a shooter, and I wish he didn't get so many open looks in the second half. But even those ... the MU defense was in scramble mode.
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muwarrior69

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 02, 2025, 05:50:11 PMIf Shaka really wants to shake this...I alluded in the Restaurants thread.  He needs to use Ben Gold.  How many times did UConn go over the top and score with a dunk or a layup and we had no answer (or a foul was called).  Ben could do that. I'm not asking for an aircraft carrier...just use your tall dude.

...or guys that can jump, Chase can get up there.

muwarrior69

I think most here are overreacting. I believe all the deficiencies we saw on Saturday can be fixed. UCONN shooting 60% is even a fluke for them. I think we have more than a decent chance to win tomorrow.

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 03, 2025, 08:13:15 AMI think most here are overreacting. I believe all the deficiencies we saw on Saturday can be fixed. UCONN shooting 60% is even a fluke for them. I think we have more than a decent chance to win tomorrow.

While this thread is specifically about the UCONN game, it is the 3rd time we were down by double digits in the first half on our home court. Add in the DePaul game where a last minute over-and-back TO gave us a chance to go into OT where we blew most of a 10-point lead, and we have 4 embarrassing games. "Fixing" whatever we need to simply has not happened. Doesn't mean it will not be, but I think the evidence is that there are some very serious problems right now. I'm basing my comments on 4 games, so apologies for a bit of a derail of the thread.

So...I disagree with your overreacting comment, although the fluky 3-point shooting is spot on. I agree that we have a decent chance tomorrow, but even a win will not make the problems fade away.

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MUBurrow

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2025, 12:47:36 PMIt was like we had a lid on the basket and all they had to do was throw it up and it went in. Forget the 3 pointers, our layups, dunks and free throws were not going either. It was just not our night. Hope we can turn it around on Tuesday and not be so tentative and uptight and have a good first half for a change. I hope they know that their better than Saturday's game.

This right here.  "Slow starts" are not all created equally. There have been games the team has come out of the gate looking a little scripted or uninspired or whatever, but this wasn't that. They were flying around, generating TOs, getting fouls.  Ball just wouldn't go in the fricking hoop and that snowballed/got in everyone's head for 10-12 minutes. IMO, Saturday looked the best I've ever seen a team look as they fall behind by 20 lol.

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