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muwarrior97

Quote from: Superfan on February 01, 2025, 10:43:35 PMWe got crushed (again) on the boards and our shooting was atrocious.  Our ball pressure was great but we missed rotations and gave up a lot of easy baskets.  BTW, where has Ben Gold been??? 20 minutes, zero points, rebounds and assists.  Last game he played 26 minutes and while pulling down 7 rebounds again failed to score.  We need him to step-up badly.

He did have ONE assist ;)
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wadesworld

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 03, 2025, 09:28:33 AMWhile this thread is specifically about the UCONN game, it is the 3rd time we were down by double digits in the first half on our home court. Add in the DePaul game where a last minute over-and-back TO gave us a chance to go into OT where we blew most of a 10-point lead, and we have 4 embarrassing games. "Fixing" whatever we need to simply has not happened. Doesn't mean it will not be, but I think the evidence is that there are some very serious problems right now. I'm basing my comments on 4 games, so apologies for a bit of a derail of the thread.

So...I disagree with your overreacting comment, although the fluky 3-point shooting is spot on. I agree that we have a decent chance tomorrow, but even a win will not make the problems fade away.



Embarrassing games?  I think you're proving muwarriors69 point.  People are overreacting.

Duke, Auburn, and Alabama look like they're a tier above everyone else and are consistently playing as well as someone would hope to play.  Tennessee and Houston look better than most of the rest, but still have taken some lopsided or weird losses.  Otherwise?  Everyone is losing in college basketball.  There's a whole lot of parity beyond the top 3 or 5 teams in the country.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 02, 2025, 05:50:11 PMIf Shaka really wants to shake this...I alluded in the Restaurants thread.  He needs to use Ben Gold.  How many times did UConn go over the top and score with a dunk or a layup and we had no answer (or a foul was called).  Ben could do that. I'm not asking for an aircraft carrier...just use your tall dude.

Shaka would have done that if he thought Gold was capable the other night. UConn's athletic centers were too big of a mismatch for Gold.
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: wadesworld on February 03, 2025, 09:57:46 AMEmbarrassing games?  I think you're proving muwarriors69 point.  People are overreacting.

Duke, Auburn, and Alabama look like they're a tier above everyone else and are consistently playing as well as someone would hope to play.  Tennessee and Houston look better than most of the rest, but still have taken some lopsided or weird losses.  Otherwise?  Everyone is losing in college basketball.  There's a whole lot of parity beyond the top 3 or 5 teams in the country.

Just as we seem to disagree with what the word "few" means (I don't think 10 qualifies as a "few") we seem to disagree with what constitutes embarrassing. Just barely surviving DePaul, being down by 13, then 19, then 22 on you home court as a top 10 team in the first half is what I call embarrassing. Let's hope that we do not top he 22-point deficit ever again at Fiserv. I think that Tennessee and Iowa State fans would call their home court losses embarrassing. At least we did not lose by 19 like ISU, so there's that, but they didn't have 4 fairly recent games like the ones I listed.
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wadesworld

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 03, 2025, 10:58:44 AMJust as we seem to disagree with what the word "few" means (I don't think 10 qualifies as a "few") we seem to disagree with what constitutes embarrassing. Just barely surviving DePaul, being down by 13, then 19, then 22 on you home court as a top 10 team in the first half is what I call embarrassing. Let's hope that we do not top he 22-point deficit ever again at Fiserv. I think that Tennessee and Iowa State fans would call their home court losses embarrassing. At least we did not lose by 19 like ISU, so there's that, but they didn't have 4 fairly recent games like the ones I listed.

I guess I just don't get "embarrassed" by my favorite college basketball team playing a bad game and losing to a decent or good team.  They missed a lot of shots, they let UCONN get hot from deep, and they couldn't recover.  It happens.  Never thought this team was an 18-2 Big East team.  Never thought they were above a few dud performances.  Of course I'd love it if they never had dud performances, always played to their absolute A game.  But that's not reality for 99% of college basketball teams.

Put it this way.  So far only 1 of the 3 national basketball podcasts I listen to have come out with a new episode since the UCONN loss.  Norlander and Parish had the game as basically a footnote, and only talked about how great Solo Ball was and how this sets up a huge week in the BE, and that UCONN might be a player come March with a fully healthy roster.  They didn't even sneeze at this loss for MU.  Parish moved Marquette all the way down 1 spot in his daily rankings.

If people expected a no resistance BE title, a 1 seed, and being one of the favorites to win an NCAA Title, I get the concerns.  I'd say the problem was those peoples' expectations.  This team is slightly better than I expected, and if you told me we'd be 18-4 overall and 9-2 in the Big East I'd be plenty happy with it.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 03, 2025, 10:58:44 AMJust as we seem to disagree with what the word "few" means (I don't think 10 qualifies as a "few") we seem to disagree with what constitutes embarrassing. Just barely surviving DePaul, being down by 13, then 19, then 22 on you home court as a top 10 team in the first half is what I call embarrassing. Let's hope that we do not top he 22-point deficit ever again at Fiserv. I think that Tennessee and Iowa State fans would call their home court losses embarrassing. At least we did not lose by 19 like ISU, so there's that, but they didn't have 4 fairly recent games like the ones I listed.

They've lost 3 of 5 and in their win in that stretch against ASU, they were down 7 at half and tied with about 6 minutes left before pulling away.

I'd say the greater point is, the season is long with ebbs and valleys.

It's how you react to the valleys.  Marquette can continue to struggle or step up.

The consensus seems to be, they'll struggle. 
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: wadesworld on February 03, 2025, 11:04:52 AMI guess I just don't get "embarrassed" by my favorite college basketball team playing a bad game and losing to a decent or good team.  They missed a lot of shots, they let UCONN get hot from deep, and they couldn't recover.  It happens.  Never thought this team was an 18-2 Big East team.  Never thought they were above a few dud performances.  Of course I'd love it if they never had dud performances, always played to their absolute A game.  But that's not reality for 99% of college basketball teams.

Put it this way.  So far only 1 of the 3 national basketball podcasts I listen to have come out with a new episode since the UCONN loss.  Norlander and Parish had the game as basically a footnote, and only talked about how great Solo Ball was and how this sets up a huge week in the BE, and that UCONN might be a player come March with a fully healthy roster.  They didn't even sneeze at this loss for MU.  Parish moved Marquette all the way down 1 spot in his daily rankings.

If people expected a no resistance BE title, a 1 seed, and being one of the favorites to win an NCAA Title, I get the concerns.  I'd say the problem was those peoples' expectations.  This team is slightly better than I expected, and if you told me we'd be 18-4 overall and 9-2 in the Big East I'd be plenty happy with it.

Fair enough Wades. The main point of my first post in this thread is that the four games I mentioned collectively tells me we have some problems. I do not think stating that equals not being a fan, although I know you did not say that. The specifics of the UCONN game contain a huge anomaly in 3-point shooting. How much of that could have been avoided with better defense and counterbalanced by better MU offense, we will never know. 
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 03, 2025, 11:08:22 AMThey've lost 3 of 5 and in their win in that stretch against ASU, they were down 7 at half and tied with about 6 minutes left before pulling away.

I'd say the greater point is, the season is long with ebbs and valleys.

It's how you react to the valleys.  Marquette can continue to struggle or step up.

The consensus seems to be, they'll struggle. 

Well said. I'm not sure which side of the struggle/step up I am on at the moment, but I am leaning towards step up. My heart says step up, but my head is saying somethings have to change for the better before I am all in on step up. Tomorrow night and next Saturday will tell us quite a bit. I think. That does not mean we have to win those two games, as much as I would love that.

One thing that the stats cannot measure- the deer-in-the-headlights looks. Lose 'em!
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MUfan12

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Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 03, 2025, 11:24:52 AMOne thing that the stats cannot measure- the deer-in-the-headlights looks. Lose 'em!

Funny you say this... two quotes from Chase postgame:

"We gotta find a way to settle in, not let the crowd dictate how we're feeling."

You mean those 18,000+ fans in your corner who are raring to go? Such adversity.

"It was just the atmosphere, with it being National Marquette Day, just feeling the energy, it was a little weird. This day's a little tricky. Just feeling the energy and vibes around, you want to perform for the crowd. Just thinking about it a little too much."

Shaka had similar comments. I can't trust this team in big games down the stretch if some pregame hype affected them this much. I mean, holy crap. Imagine spinning a hyped up home crowd as some sort of negative!

wadesworld

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Quote from: MUfan12 on February 03, 2025, 11:54:06 AMFunny you say this... two quotes from Chase postgame:

"We gotta find a way to settle in, not let the crowd dictate how we're feeling."

You mean those 18,000+ fans in your corner who are raring to go? Such adversity.

"It was just the atmosphere, with it being National Marquette Day, just feeling the energy, it was a little weird. This day's a little tricky. Just feeling the energy and vibes around, you want to perform for the crowd. Just thinking about it a little too much."

Shaka had similar comments. I can't trust this team in big games down the stretch if some pregame hype affected them this much. I mean, holy crap. This is a veteran guy complaining about the home crowd being too hyped up!

It's human nature.  I appreciate his honesty.  These are 18-22 year old (or 26 if you're Creighton or Xavier) kids, not robots.

BM1090

Quote from: wadesworld on February 03, 2025, 11:56:37 AMIt's human nature.  I appreciate his honesty.  These are 18-22 year old (or 26 if you're Creighton or Xavier) kids, not robots.

Yeah I didn't take it as Chase complaining about the crowd. I took it as we love the crowd, we need to do better, we're going to figure out how to do better.

MuggsyB

We have played better on the road all season. 

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 03, 2025, 07:23:22 PMWe have played better on the road all season. 

Especially in Chicago.  ;D

Let's hope that we play better tomorrow at MSG. Time for the guys to take out their aggressions on someone. SJU will do just fine as our punching bag.
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