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Date/Time: Feb 18, 2025 8:00pm
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JakeBarnes

Celebration day without doing the work.

1. If you want to have a National Marquette Day, you have to play like it matters. For 10 minutes of gametime
, the team did not t
play like it mattered.

2. FT rate matters. FT made mattered more tonight.

3. The crowd wanted to be here. The team, maybe.

4. The greatest EGB is passing. Although Solo Ball was on UConn, Marquette honored that concept more.

5. Burn the tape. Get a chip on your shoulder. Do better.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

Mutaman

Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 01, 2025, 09:55:01 PMCelebration day without doing the work.

1. If you want to have a National Marquette Day, you have to play like it matters. For 10 minutes of gametime
, the team did not t
play like it mattered.


I think that they played like it mattered too much.
Lots of issues tonight but I don't see lack of effort being one of them.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: Mutaman on February 01, 2025, 09:58:19 PMI think that they played like it mattered too much.
Lots of issues tonight but I don't see lack of effort being one of them.

First 5ish minutes was loose. Too loose. Until 4 3s from UConn that they never recovered from.

I'm most frustrated with how selfish the offense was. Sure, ft was...worse than how I felt at the NC state game. But it felt like no one looked to their teammates the entire game. AAU at its best.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

Shooter McGavin

Worst performance I've seen live.  Hope the boys turn it around quickly.

GB Warrior

Gonna be a rough couple years. I have faith in Zaide and see glimpses of Tre. I want to believe in DO because he looks the part. But slim pickings there.

forgetful

My opinion. We outplayed them. But we did not hit open shots. They were on fire. They made their big shots when they needed buckets.

Afroman

UConn committed 25 turnovers to MU's 8 and won by 8 points. That's almost unheard of. Just shows how bad MU played.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 01, 2025, 10:04:39 PMGonna be a rough couple years. I have faith in Zaide and see glimpses of Tre. I want to believe in DO because he looks the part. But slim pickings there.

This is dumb.

wadesworld

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 01, 2025, 10:04:39 PMGonna be a rough couple years. I have faith in Zaide and see glimpses of Tre. I want to believe in DO because he looks the part. But slim pickings there.

Fire Shaka.

Billy Hoyle

#9
Quote from: forgetful on February 01, 2025, 10:04:49 PMMy opinion. We outplayed them. But we did not hit open shots. They were on fire. They made their big shots when they needed buckets.

Outside of the first 15 minutes I agree. 29-9 advantage on points off turnovers, 13 offensive rebounds, only 8 turnovers, 11 steals. Just dug  too big of a hole
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

CountryRoads

Maybe too much hoopla around these home games. Stripe out this, stripe out that. Honor this, honor that. The moms dancing during games, etc. Fact is our team has come out tighter than a nun's ass more often than not at home this year so something needs to change with preparation or with their mindset heading into these home games. Our effort is awesome but we look terrified of making a mistake.

DoctorV

Quote from: CountryRoads on February 01, 2025, 10:13:38 PMMaybe too much hoopla around these home games. Stripe out this, stripe out that. Honor this, honor that. The moms dancing during games, etc. Fact is our team has come out tighter than a nun's ass more often than not at home this year so something needs to change with preparation or with their mindset heading into these home games. Our effort is awesome but we look terrified of making a mistake.

You win scoop tonight.

I laughed

mugrad_89

The bottom line is the team has had crappy starts to games for the past month. This is something that Shaka needs to fix or the season will end sooner than we hoped it would.

DoctorV

Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 01, 2025, 10:22:33 PMThe bottom line is the team has had crappy starts to games for the past month. This is something that Shaka needs to fix or the season will end sooner than we hoped it would.

Yep. Starts Tuesday.

Big Papi

I thought we were a little too juiced up to start the game. Missed some shots we should make. UConn came out hot. Then you could see the pressure mount quickly and we start missing free throws.

Cant lose Ball on defense.

Hard to come back down 22.  We do battle.

I don't think Uconn is better than us but they were today.

Hopefully we see some shots go in against the stj.

Superfan

We got crushed (again) on the boards and our shooting was atrocious.  Our ball pressure was great but we missed rotations and gave up a lot of easy baskets.  BTW, where has Ben Gold been??? 20 minutes, zero points, rebounds and assists.  Last game he played 26 minutes and while pulling down 7 rebounds again failed to score.  We need him to step-up badly.

MuggsyB

We didn't handle the pressure of the moment and they did.  It manifested itself in a number of ways and amplified many of our issues in our h-c offense. 

IL Warrior

Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 01, 2025, 10:22:33 PMThe bottom line is the team has had crappy starts to games for the past month. This is something that Shaka needs to fix or the season will end sooner than we hoped it would.
This. Being a 2nd half team is fine. Spotting the opponent a healthy 1st half lead every game is a problem. Yes, we have enough talent to overcome that deficit against Butler and Georgetown and DePaul. Those teams aren't making the NCAA Tournament. The way this team is playing to start games, they are begging to lose to a 14 seed in March.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

I think two of UConn's worst 3P shooters combined to make their first 4 three pointers. I think the team started pressing after that and it took them 16 minutes to  get over it.

It's weird to say, but I think we outplayed them, but they outshot us. Sometimes that's enough. Win the next two and it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


ski44

How rare is it for a team to force 25 TOs and lose?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: ski44 on February 01, 2025, 11:06:30 PMHow rare is it for a team to force 25 TOs and lose?

This is the third time it has happened to MU since 1939
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 01, 2025, 11:01:38 PMIt's weird to say, but I think we outplayed them, but they outshot us. Sometimes that's enough. Win the next two and it doesn't matter.

To this point:

https://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1885896675413402024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3APaintTouches%7Ctwcon%5Es1

Shotquality is certainly not the end all/be all. But it can be useful to just get a sense of whether teams were generating good looks or not.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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Pakuni

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 01, 2025, 11:01:38 PMI think two of UConn's worst 3P shooters combined to make their first 4 three pointers. I think the team started pressing after that and it took them 16 minutes to  get over it.

It's weird to say, but I think we outplayed them, but they outshot us. Sometimes that's enough. Win the next two and it doesn't matter.

Not a snarky question ... what factors in determining who played better are more important than making shots?
I think tonight proves that if you make shots, it can cover up a lot of deficiencies elsewhere. And, conversely, how well you perform in other areas can be rendered pretty meaningless if you're not making shots.
We didn't outplay them because they did the most important thing much better than we did.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Pakuni on February 01, 2025, 11:22:58 PMNot a snarky question ... what factors in determining who played better are more important than making shots?
I think tonight proves that if you make shots, it can cover up a lot of deficiencies elsewhere. And, conversely, how well you perform in other areas can be rendered pretty meaningless if you're not making shots.
We didn't outplay them because they did the most important thing much better than we did.

Over the course of a season, if you force your opponent to take more difficult shots (guarded 2s/3s, long 2s, 3s by non 3 point shooters, etc) and you take easy shots (unguarded 2s/3s, layups, dunks, etc) you will win more games than you lose. But in a sample size of 1, you can force your opponent to take a ton of difficult shots, but they all go in anyway. And you can take all easy shots, but they all rim out.

That's all I'm saying here.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


MuggsyB

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 01, 2025, 11:01:38 PMI think two of UConn's worst 3P shooters combined to make their first 4 three pointers. I think the team started pressing after that and it took them 16 minutes to  get over it.

It's weird to say, but I think we outplayed them, but they outshot us. Sometimes that's enough. Win the next two and it doesn't matter.

Maybe you're right but this team is way too experienced and well coached to let that happen.  There's no reason known to man that a few early threes should unsettle a team of Marquette's caliber. 

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