The Power 4 Invitational Coming Soon

[Scoop Snoop]

The obvious one is of course Notre Dame in Football, but I think there's room for a few more schools/leagues to round out the rest of the new division.  The schools of the new Pac7, for example. There's no reason for Boise State and SDSU to be OUT while Syracuse and Vanderbilt are IN.  Big names that can't find a conference like Memphis and UConn.  And yes, the competitive hoops schools that don't offer football, like Marquette, Creighton, Nova, St. Johns, and others.

Agree, but any offers to join will be strictly on their terms. They would not need to treat the Marquette and other BE teams as equals. They would force our hands, not vice versa. Trust the bastards only half as far as you can throw them.

[SaveOD238]

Agree, but any offers to join will be strictly on their terms. They would not need to treat the Marquette and other BE teams as equals. They would force our hands, not vice versa. Trust the bastards only half as far as you can throw them.

Of course it will be on their terms.  But the "you only get 70% of the basketball revenue share" offer is preferable to being in the permanent underclass of whatever remains.  If Yormark calls Kimo Ah Yun with an offer, he should say yes immediately.

That said, I think there's a cutoff at about 80 football schools and about 100 basketball schools that "makes sense."  We're well above the cut line in that scenario.

Others have said this before, but no sport in America makes more sense for pro/rel than college football and college hoops, so I'd love to see some version of that.  If everyone outside the P4 conferences has to play their way in, I feel confident that we would.

[cheebs09]

I feel MU and like schools would be invited only if it makes sense from a dollars perspective. I could see it making sense as they wouldn't have to dilute a ton of money since we'd not be joining for football and could bring in revenue for basketball.

Basically, similar to how it went when we joined the Big East.

[Hards Alumni]

Of course it will be on their terms.  But the "you only get 70% of the basketball revenue share" offer is preferable to being in the permanent underclass of whatever remains.  If Yormark calls Kimo Ah Yun with an offer, he should say yes immediately.

That said, I think there's a cutoff at about 80 football schools and about 100 basketball schools that "makes sense."  We're well above the cut line in that scenario.

Others have said this before, but no sport in America makes more sense for pro/rel than college football and college hoops, so I'd love to see some version of that.  If everyone outside the P4 conferences has to play their way in, I feel confident that we would.

The fault in your reasoning is that if Marquette isn't included its basketball program will likely fall by the wayside down to the mid major level.  Sure there will be pissed off alumni... literally everyone here... but we can't do much about it.  We can cry and whine and bitch all we want, but at the end of the day, the big conferences will get bigger and make more money.  In a decade, there won't be MU basketball to root for in the same capacity, and most of the potential MU fans will end up fans of a nearby B1G school, or a school they've chosen... much like the NBA.

It's a sad state, but it is certainly a very distinct reality.  If it happens, I will never watch another college sport or attend an event as long as I live. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The fault in your reasoning is that if Marquette isn't included its basketball program will likely fall by the wayside down to the mid major level.  Sure there will be pissed off alumni... literally everyone here... but we can't do much about it.  We can cry and whine and bitch all we want, but at the end of the day, the big conferences will get bigger and make more money.  In a decade, there won't be MU basketball to root for in the same capacity, and most of the potential MU fans will end up fans of a nearby B1G school, or a school they've chosen... much like the NBA.

It's a sad state, but it is certainly a very distinct reality.  If it happens, I will never watch another college sport or attend an event as long as I live. 

This is the part I'm not sure about.  While there are plenty of Walmart Badger football fans, there arent that many Walmart Badger basketball fans. While college football would certainly be fine I think it could result in a larger drop off in interest in the sport all together. Slashing the number of teams has its benefits but there are diminishing returns.

Personally,  I think the Power 2.5 stay in basketball but continue to consolidate power and money in their favor. Maybe they kick out the low majors.

[Skatastrophy]

CBB needs promotion/relegation

[WhiteTrash]

CBB needs promotion/relegation

How many divisions? 3,4,5 or 6?

[MU82]

All of this is a reminder that while we here consider the Big East a top-4 basketball conference - and stats/ratings confirm as much - those who lord over college sports don't give a rat's rump about the Big East or what we think about it.

[muwarrior69]

All of this is a reminder that while we here consider the Big East a top-4 basketball conference - and stats/ratings confirm as much - those who lord over college sports don't give a rat's rump about the Big East or what we think about it.

No one gave a rat's rump about the PAC 12! I quote Bill Walton "The Conference of Champions.

[NCMUFan]

Spoke with my Brother-In-Law who is a Wake Forest graduate.
It was in regards to the mega size that the ACC is with western teams.
He questioned the economic feasibility of flying the athletic teams of non-revenue sports across the country constantly and also the time factor.

[MU1in77]

Back in August I stated below in the Conference realignment thread:

"My bigger worry is what the football schools do with the NCAA B'ball tournament.  Everyone seems to say that there is no way they would tamper with the thing that keeps the NCAA afloat financially but when did the power conferences ever give a dam about the basketball only or lower football schools.  My brother in law was the AD at an Atlantic 10 school (retired in the last 5 years) and he is very concerned about what the outlook of college sports will be in the next 5-10 years.  Face it, without the chance to play in the tournament there is no future for MU"

This is a much bigger deal than most people think.

[MU82]

Wasn't the talk that the ACC was in deep trouble as a conference? Now, all of a sudden, they are gonna emerge from this with real power?

[Scoop Snoop]

Back in August I stated below in the Conference realignment thread:

"My bigger worry is what the football schools do with the NCAA B'ball tournament.  Everyone seems to say that there is no way they would tamper with the thing that keeps the NCAA afloat financially but when did the power conferences ever give a dam about the basketball only or lower football schools.  My brother in law was the AD at an Atlantic 10 school (retired in the last 5 years) and he is very concerned about what the outlook of college sports will be in the next 5-10 years.  Face it, without the chance to play in the tournament there is no future for MU"

This is a much bigger deal than most people think.

On the contrary, I think most people/scoopers understand that this is a big deal. It reminds me of the famous line from The Godfather..."I'm going to make you an offer that you can't refuse."

[#UnleashSean]

I kinda think you are right. I would push the envelope out a little further though.

And I think it will come from the non-P4 members finally saying "yeah, go ahead." Yes, they will lose a bunch of revenue, but they will also be able to lower their cost structure because they won't have to keep up with what is happening at the top.

What that means for Marquette and the BE, I have no idea.

If the doom scenario happens and the p4 kill the rest of basketball, marquette gets swallowed up by the big ten. Marquette has to big of numbers to really fail, and has a big enough city in an NBA venue to not need to rely on the big east.

They could go to any conference for basketball and volleyball, and everything else would go small.

[forgetful]

I think they'll likely break from the NCAA in the coming few years. I'm a bit of a doomer when it comes to this topic, though.

Edit: Same as MUfan12

Well according to MIT and the Doom thread, civilization is about to fall off a cliff in 2040 anyway, so the college basketball may be a goner anyway.

[The Sultan]

If the doom scenario happens and the p4 kill the rest of basketball, marquette gets swallowed up by the big ten. Marquette has to big of numbers to really fail, and has a big enough city in an NBA venue to not need to rely on the big east.

They could go to any conference for basketball and volleyball, and everything else would go small.

Marquette would not be getting a B10 invite.

[Hards Alumni]

If the doom scenario happens and the p4 kill the rest of basketball, marquette gets swallowed up by the big ten. Marquette has to big of numbers to really fail, and has a big enough city in an NBA venue to not need to rely on the big east.

They could go to any conference for basketball and volleyball, and everything else would go small.

Sounds nice, but the B1G would see us as unnecessary competition for Wisconsin.  My guess is if you asked the top brass, there are some schools in the "Power 4" conferences that don't pull their weight and are seen as taking a hand out rather than serious competition. 

We'd be on the outside looking in simply because everything that isn't football is basically an after thought.  Sure, basketball is valuable, but football is prioritized because it isn't close.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

If the ultimate goal is to maximize the money, then the most valuable/better funded bball only schools will find a home.  It just doesnt cost the big conferences enough to throw a bone to these schools and fold them in for the scraps.  Plus I'd imagine the added content can be leveraged with the networks.

[Uncle Rico]

Sounds nice, but the B1G would see us as unnecessary competition for Wisconsin.  My guess is if you asked the top brass, there are some schools in the "Power 4" conferences that don't pull their weight and are seen as taking a hand out rather than serious competition. 

We'd be on the outside looking in simply because everything that isn't football is basically an after thought.  Sure, basketball is valuable, but football is prioritized because it isn't close.

But the amount of money I'd pay to be in a room with Tom Oates if that happened is not an issue

[WhiteTrash]

Wasn't the talk that the ACC was in deep trouble as a conference? Now, all of a sudden, they are gonna emerge from this with real power?

Don't forget the Pac12 entered an alliance with the B10 a few years ago that "solidified" it as a power.

Just like the Pac12 was, the ACC is a power as presently constructed.

[muwarrior69]

So, who is driving this: The Conferences, individual schools, content providers, all of the above? Certainly not the NCAA. 

[Hards Alumni]

So, who is driving this: The Conferences, individual schools, content providers, all of the above? Certainly not the NCAA. 

yes

[TallTitan34]

Wasn't the talk that the ACC was in deep trouble as a conference? Now, all of a sudden, they are gonna emerge from this with real power?

Still can't see the ACC surviving their current TV deal.

Tables from Paint Touches.

[muwarrior69]

Where the NBA gets its player:

http://www.rpiratings.com/NBA.php

[tower912]

When in doubt, always assume it is about the benjamins.