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The Sultan

#75
January 12, 2025, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 12, 2025, 06:06:26 PMSeat at the table, my man. That is it.

But how does it help the ACC?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

#76
January 12, 2025, 06:10:40 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 06:07:17 PMBut how does it help the ACC?
Just added mass to the conference for media revenue and insulation against defections.

Not sure I agree with it and I'm not sure I'd want the BE to do it, but I can see some logic.
(basically what the Big12 is kicking around already, just  maybe a bigger version)

The Sultan

#77
January 12, 2025, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 12, 2025, 06:10:40 PMJust added mass to the conference for media revenue and insulation against defections.

Not sure I agree with it and I'm not sure I'd want the BE to do it, but I can see some logic.

I'm not even sure what "adding mass" means here. Everything about conference expansion and the P4 is driven by football. This just adds a lot of teams that don't play football, and therefore have other motives and priorities.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

#78
January 12, 2025, 06:22:01 PM Last Edit: January 12, 2025, 06:40:37 PM by WhiteTrash
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 06:13:25 PMI'm not even sure what "adding mass" means here. Everything about conference expansion and the P4 is driven by football. This just adds a lot of teams that don't play football, and therefore have other motives and priorities.

<I did a quick edit to my post.> The Big 12 has been exploring this strategy for a year. I'd guess the thought process is that are no meaningful football schools to be had so they would pivot to basketball. You could argue the BE TV deal proves out part of their theory.

IMO there are more reasons not to do it, but it may not be totally crazy.

EDIT: Sultan please don't read my post as an endorsement. Also I don't think Coach K and Pitino are looking at this the same way the Big 12 is. I agree it a couple of older coaches who just think it would be cool to have a bunch of schools with rich basketball histories and passionate fans in the same conference.

The Sultan

#79
January 12, 2025, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 12, 2025, 06:22:01 PM<I did a quick edit to my post.> The Big 12 has been exploring this strategy for a year. I'd guess the thought process is that are no meaningful football schools to be had so they would pivot to basketball. You could argue the BE TV deal proves out part of their theory.

IMO there are more reasons not to do it, but it may not be totally crazy.


The Big 12 keeps pushing this, and the presidents keep telling them "no." It makes no sense.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

#80
January 12, 2025, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 06:35:26 PMThe Big 12 keeps pushing this, and the presidents keep telling them "no." It makes no sense.
I'd bet the ACC presidents would do the exact same.

The Sultan

#81
January 12, 2025, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 12, 2025, 07:10:37 PMI'd bet the ACC presidents would do the exact same.

Correct. Because they're smart.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TallTitan34

#83
January 13, 2025, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 07:11:07 PMCorrect. Because they're smart.

Not based on their TV deal.

tower912

#85
January 13, 2025, 10:54:59 AM
Conference re-alignment was the first domino.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Scoop Snoop

#86
January 13, 2025, 11:08:58 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 13, 2025, 10:54:59 AMConference re-alignment was the first domino.

True. But the comment about coaches of mid-majors leaving for greener pastures after an impressive showing in the tourney? OLD news.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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SaveOD238

#87
January 13, 2025, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: wiscwarrior on January 12, 2025, 08:36:00 AMAlso, who holds the rights to "March Madness", "Elite Eight", etc.? Remaining schools could have a really good NIT with compelling story lines.  :)

For a long time, the trademark for the term "March Madness" belonged not to the NCAA, but to the IHSA (Illinois High School sports).  The term dates WAY further back to describe Illinois' high school basketbal tournament. 

At least that's what I learned growing up, but it looks like the NCAA has since bought out the IHSA's ownership of the term. https://www.bfvlaw.com/ncaa-trademarks-think-twice-before-advertising-march-madness/

Billy Hoyle

#89
January 15, 2025, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 15, 2025, 07:55:55 AMhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ncaa-president-charlie-baker-addresses-transfer-portal-proposal-power-four-conferences-wanting-more-control/ar-AA1xdlZw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=37c52328575c4204a9905ce4e31b876f&ei=10

Not sure if this is old news. Are the transfer rules different for each sport?

They are only for the transfer windows. Fall sports have the windows open after the season so kids can transfer to another institution for the second semester. Otherwise, kids in winter and spring sports have to remain at their schools for the entire year unless the coach leaves).

Football also has an additional transfer window when spring practice is done. This is where more poaching occurs as after spring practice programs see what their positions of need for the upcoming season are...or to send kids packing.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

The Sultan

#90
January 15, 2025, 09:48:35 AM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 15, 2025, 09:46:50 AMThey are only for the transfer windows. Fall sports have the windows open after the season so kids can transfer to another institution for the second semester. Otherwise, kids in winter and spring sports have to remain at their schools for the entire year unless the coach leaves).

Football also has an additional transfer window when spring practice is done. This is where more poaching occurs as after spring practice programs see what their positions of need for the upcoming season are...or to send kids packing.

This proposal would eliminate the April window.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Billy Hoyle

#91
January 15, 2025, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on January 15, 2025, 09:48:35 AMThis proposal would eliminate the April window.

Correct. I was responding to the question about sports currently having different transfer windows.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Hards Alumni

#92
January 15, 2025, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 12, 2025, 09:30:48 AMBut don't the NBA, NFL and MLB compete against the same teams during their playoffs? It works.

If the Power 4 leaves and they run their own tourney, what is left in terms of broadcast days and times for the NIT as you describe it? I really hate the direction this is all likely heading, but the reality is that the Power 4 will get what they want from the NCAA due to their thinly veiled threat to leave. If including teams like Marquette in their plans somehow helps the Power 4 earn more $, we're OK, but I think assuming that is very naive. As I said in another post in this thread, think of the famous line: "I'm going to make you an offer that you can't refuse."



Nailed it.

Hards Alumni

#93
January 15, 2025, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 12, 2025, 06:22:01 PM<I did a quick edit to my post.> The Big 12 has been exploring this strategy for a year. I'd guess the thought process is that are no meaningful football schools to be had so they would pivot to basketball. You could argue the BE TV deal proves out part of their theory.

IMO there are more reasons not to do it, but it may not be totally crazy.

EDIT: Sultan please don't read my post as an endorsement. Also I don't think Coach K and Pitino are looking at this the same way the Big 12 is. I agree it a couple of older coaches who just think it would be cool to have a bunch of schools with rich basketball histories and passionate fans in the same conference.

Wild, the UConn fans I've interacted with are delusional to think they have a shot at being invited to a P4 conference, despite the fact that their football team is a money pit.

WhiteTrash

#94
January 15, 2025, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 15, 2025, 01:36:12 PMWild, the UConn fans I've interacted with are delusional to think they have a shot at being invited to a P4 conference, despite the fact that their football team is a money pit.
Yeah, UCONN is not SMU.

Uncle Rico

#95
January 15, 2025, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 15, 2025, 05:38:13 PMYeah, UCONN is not SMU.

UConn will be in a power 4 conference sooner than later
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WhiteTrash

#96
January 15, 2025, 07:27:55 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 15, 2025, 05:49:53 PMUConn will be in a power 4 conference sooner than later
If UCONN was SMU, they'd already be in a P4 conference.

Hards Alumni

#97
January 16, 2025, 06:16:27 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 15, 2025, 05:49:53 PMUConn will be in a power 4 conference sooner than later

Doubt it.  If there was interest, they'd be in one.  Their football team loses money and has poor attendance.  Of course, some of this would improve on the first day they're in a new conference via revenue sharing... but they'd just be another mouth to feed... and I don't know that they'd be adding a media market. 

If they fit anywhere it is the ACC, but then the question becomes... what's the hold up?  If is the Big East buy out, surely the ACC (or whomever) can help pay for it.

TallTitan34

#98
January 16, 2025, 08:09:59 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 16, 2025, 06:16:27 AMIf they fit anywhere it is the ACC, but then the question becomes... what's the hold up?  If is the Big East buy out, surely the ACC (or whomever) can help pay for it.

Does the ACC want to give a share of their already terrible TV deal to another football team that adds nothing?

Uncle Rico

#99
January 16, 2025, 08:11:28 AM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 16, 2025, 08:09:59 AMDoes the ACC want to give a share of their already terrible TV deal to another football team that adds nothing?

No.

UConn will be swallowed up when the ACC implodes.
Guster is for Lovers
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