The Power 4 Invitational Coming Soon

[TallTitan34]

Where the NBA gets its player:

http://www.rpiratings.com/NBA.php

Who is the one Big East team without an NBA player?  Butler?

[Hards Alumni]

Where the NBA gets its player:

http://www.rpiratings.com/NBA.php

???  This is very old info

[Scoop Snoop]

We'd be on the outside looking in simply because everything that isn't football is basically an after thought.  Sure, basketball is valuable, but football is prioritized because it isn't close.

We may or may not get an invite, but we are not in a position to negotiate terms that are even close to being fair. The Power 4 is obviously in the driver's seat. They would likely structure the NCAA tourney to make it very difficult for any non-Power 4 team to advance beyond the SS.

Maybe they would remove the ban on going to the NIT if a school turned down an NCAA bid. Then Marquette would very happily go to the NIT every year and watch the NCAA on TV, just as we did decades ago, right? 

[muwarrior69]

???  This is very old info

So what is the current data?

Copyright at bottom says 2025.

[Scoop Snoop]

So what is the current data?

Copyright at bottom says 2025.

So you are asking for someone to do your research? Why?

[Hards Alumni]

We may or may not get an invite, but we are not in a position to negotiate terms that are even close to being fair. The Power 4 is obviously in the driver's seat. They would likely structure the NCAA tourney to make it very difficult for any non-Power 4 team to advance beyond the SS.

Maybe they would remove the ban on going to the NIT if a school turned down an NCAA bid. Then Marquette would very happily go to the NIT every year and watch the NCAA on TV, just as we did decades ago, right? 

Yeah that's really the point, we'd have no power in any negotiations.  Sure they might keep the same 68 team format, but there are already 68 of the P4 schools (SEC, B1G, B12 and ACC) and then what?  Increase the size of the tournament to include the 'lesser' conference players?  For what?  Why share the wealth.

[Hards Alumni]

So what is the current data?

Copyright at bottom says 2025.

That probably just automatically updates to the current date.

Mike Budenholzer hasn't coached the Bucks in years... many things are off.

[MU82]

When in doubt, always assume it is about the benjamins.

Good thing we have one, and he's worth his weight in Gold.

[Jockey]

When in doubt, always assume it is about the benjamins.

The greed payed off with football. Basketball is next on the list.

Make no mistake. NIL is in place because it makes money for schools while they don't have to spend. As you said, this power grab is simply about the money. The schools will reap the profits while real fans are left out of the equation. A tournament of the 4 big conferences holds no appeal to me. The first weekend of the tournament as it is currently constructed is the best week of college basketball of the entire year.

[wiscwarrior]

One thing the P4 has figured out is that the fans really don't stop caring.

Not so sure they're right. Would the casual fan care about a 70 plus tournament of teams who just spent the season competing against each other? Takes some of the magic out of March I think. Also, who holds the rights to "March Madness", "Elite Eight", etc.? Remaining schools could have a really good NIT with compelling story lines. 

[Uncle Rico]

Not so sure they're right. Would the casual fan care about a 70 plus tournament of teams who just spent the season competing against each other? Takes some of the magic out of March I think. Also, who holds the rights to "March Madness", "Elite Eight", etc.? Remaining schools could have a really good NIT with compelling story lines. 

Disagree.  That NIT would be bowl games along the lines of the Boca Raton Bowl

[Scoop Snoop]

Not so sure they're right. Would the casual fan care about a 70 plus tournament of teams who just spent the season competing against each other? Takes some of the magic out of March I think. Also, who holds the rights to "March Madness", "Elite Eight", etc.? Remaining schools could have a really good NIT with compelling story lines. 

But don't the NBA, NFL and MLB compete against the same teams during their playoffs? It works.

If the Power 4 leaves and they run their own tourney, what is left in terms of broadcast days and times for the NIT as you describe it? I really hate the direction this is all likely heading, but the reality is that the Power 4 will get what they want from the NCAA due to their thinly veiled threat to leave. If including teams like Marquette in their plans somehow helps the Power 4 earn more $, we're OK, but I think assuming that is very naive. As I said in another post in this thread, think of the famous line: "I'm going to make you an offer that you can't refuse."

[Jockey]

But don't the NBA, NFL and MLB compete against the same teams during their playoffs? It works.

Yes. But if a team plays well enough to be in the Playoffs, then they are in. They don't get rejected for being in a small market or for having a lower payroll.

Every team in the pro leagues is eligible for the playoffs.

[WhiteTrash]

But don't the NBA, NFL and MLB compete against the same teams during their playoffs? It works.

If the Power 4 leaves and they run their own tourney, what is left in terms of broadcast days and times for the NIT as you describe it? I really hate the direction this is all likely heading, but the reality is that the Power 4 will get what they want from the NCAA due to their thinly veiled threat to leave. If including teams like Marquette in their plans somehow helps the Power 4 earn more $, we're OK, but I think assuming that is very naive. As I said in another post in this thread, think of the famous line: "I'm going to make you an offer that you can't refuse."

MU can only continue to do it's best. The power shifted decades ago and now MU can only hope that the broadcasters/streamers see value in the BE. The only two groups that matter are the presidents and TV. The P4 presidents have shown they will follow the money, so I suppose this is all in TV's hands.

Not sure what she can do, but I like Val as the BE point person.

It is interesting that this is happening in high school also. I found it interesting that the HS Top 25 has no Illinois teams (used to have 2-3 each year) and it is basically made up of academies and prep schools.

[Scoop Snoop]

MU can only continue to do it's best. The power shifted decades ago and now MU can only hope that the broadcasters/streamers see value in the BE. The only two groups that matter are the presidents and TV. The P4 presidents have shown they will follow the money, so I suppose this is all in TV's hands.

Not sure what she can do, but I like Val as the BE point person.

It is interesting that this is happening in high school also. I found it interesting that the HS Top 25 has no Illinois teams (used to have 2-3 each year) and it is basically made up of academies and prep schools.

Agree completely on Val. The best thing the BE can do is improve collectively as a conference so we ae valuable enough to add profit to a P4 dominated NCAA, which I believe is inevitable. Val will be a great "lawyer" for the BE when the P4 muscles their way into the decision-making process of the tourney.

[wiscwarrior]

I just question how a rerun of the conference season for the P4 schools is going to be compelling TV watching compared to the current arrangement where many more schools and their fans are deeply involved. It's kind of why kill the goose who lays the golden eggs?

[cheebs09]

Feels like a less important regular season with a less exciting post season.

[WhiteTrash]

Feels like a less important regular season with a less exciting post season.

Except if your a fan of Rutgers, Arizona State, Vanderbilt, Minny or Syracuse.   

[Scoop Snoop]

I just question how a rerun of the conference season for the P4 schools is going to be compelling TV watching compared to the current arrangement where many more schools and their fans are deeply involved. It's kind of why kill the goose who lays the golden eggs?

I'm with you bro! The answer to your question is money. They're looking out strictly for themselves and want to milk the tourney for as much as they can get. But your question is certainly legit when considered from a different angle-will the fans/TV viewers stay if the very successful format is changed substantially? Let's hope that the P4 (I just corrected my accidentally typed P$ but maybe I should have left it in  ) concludes that is in their best interests to not overreach.

[muwarrior69]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/rick-pitino-endorses-coach-k-s-merger-proposal-to-create-mega-basketball-conference/ar-BB1riEQJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e80cdc7ab5264b9486d39f62c9f74e33&ei=15

Coach K and Rick Patino agree on a merger. Didn't we just divorce them? The new landscape might just lead to a reconciliation.

[WhiteTrash]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/rick-pitino-endorses-coach-k-s-merger-proposal-to-create-mega-basketball-conference/ar-BB1riEQJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e80cdc7ab5264b9486d39f62c9f74e33&ei=15

Coach K and Rick Patino agree on a merger. Didn't we just divorce them? The new landscape might just lead to a reconciliation.

Interesting. If the prevailing prediction that UNC, Clemson, FSU and Miami bolt I can see the ACC's interest. I also think the BE should listen. Make Val the commish 

[The Sultan]

I don't see how this merger would be helpful. Old basketball coaches operating on nostalgia more than anything.

[cheebs09]

I don't see how this merger would be helpful. Old basketball coaches operating on nostalgia more than anything.

But letting the players get some money just makes life too difficult.

[The Sultan]

I particularly don't understand why the ACC would have any interest.

[WhiteTrash]

I don't see how this merger would be helpful. Old basketball coaches operating on nostalgia more than anything.

Seat at the table, my man. That is it.