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NCMUFan

Four of the last eight champions were Big East.

cheebs09

Quote from: NCMUFan on January 08, 2025, 08:19:30 PMFour of the last eight champions were Big East.

Big Ten needs something drastic to win one for the first time since 2000.

Warriors4ever

I hate college football and what it's doing to the landscape. And I hate the power conferences.

TallTitan34


MU Fan in Connecticut

There's nothing good in that proposal.
Football doing is best to ruin everything for everybody.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: NCMUFan on January 08, 2025, 08:19:30 PMFour of the last eight champions were Big East.

This seems like a nice way to ensure the next one isn't.

Billy Hoyle

much ado about nothing. There are 28 other conferences that would need to sign off on that.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

The Sultan

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 09, 2025, 08:13:16 AMmuch ado about nothing. There are 28 other conferences that would need to sign off on that.

I wouldn't say that. The issue is that eventually those conferences will get to the point where they break away. From the article:

"This could be a real fight over the future of what college athletics looks like," one FCS leader said. "At some point, we're going to have to call their bluff and say, 'Take your ball and go.' It seems to me that we are increasingly closer to that happening."
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

MUfan12

Yeah, this feels very much like them laying the groundwork to break away completely, or create their own division and put everyone else below.

Skatastrophy

I think they'll likely break from the NCAA in the coming few years. I'm a bit of a doomer when it comes to this topic, though.

Edit: Same as MUfan12

The Sultan

Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 09, 2025, 09:44:16 AMI think they'll likely break from the NCAA in the coming few years. I'm a bit of a doomer when it comes to this topic, though.

Edit: Same as MUfan12

I kinda think you are right. I would push the envelope out a little further though.

And I think it will come from the non-P4 members finally saying "yeah, go ahead." Yes, they will lose a bunch of revenue, but they will also be able to lower their cost structure because they won't have to keep up with what is happening at the top.

What that means for Marquette and the BE, I have no idea.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MUfan12 on January 09, 2025, 09:33:22 AMYeah, this feels very much like them laying the groundwork to break away completely, or create their own division and put everyone else below.

This is the end game
Maybe. But will Creighton and St. John's?
They look like the class of league right now. Have not seen Johnnies play, but Creighton looks awesome.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: The Sultan on January 09, 2025, 09:48:21 AMI kinda think you are right. I would push the envelope out a little further though.

And I think it will come from the non-P4 members finally saying "yeah, go ahead." Yes, they will lose a bunch of revenue, but they will also be able to lower their cost structure because they won't have to keep up with what is happening at the top.

What that means for Marquette and the BE, I have no idea.

How sustainable is that really though? I mean the inevitable power vacuum lower tier teams leftover will have gaudy records while teams that are usually considered competitive will now find themselves at the bottom. How long till fans stop caring, NIL donors start saying "money can be spent elsewhere" etc
Maigh Eo for Sam

The Sultan

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 09, 2025, 10:12:05 AMHow sustainable is that really though? I mean the inevitable power vacuum lower tier teams leftover will have gaudy records while teams that are usually considered competitive will now find themselves at the bottom. How long till fans stop caring, NIL donors start saying "money can be spent elsewhere" etc

One thing the P4 has figured out is that the fans really don't stop caring.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Sultan on January 09, 2025, 10:15:32 AMOne thing the P4 has figured out is that the fans really don't stop caring.
This is true. It applies to me from the flip side, I have never been a big consumer of college football and BCS, CFP and the expanded CFP has not motivated me to care more.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: The Sultan on January 09, 2025, 10:15:32 AMOne thing the P4 has figured out is that the fans really don't stop caring.

Wonder why this seems to be true at those schools and not schools like ours. DePaul and Georgetown even Seton Hall all seem to be having a different experience with their fans
Maigh Eo for Sam

Galway Eagle

Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 09, 2025, 10:19:57 AMThis is true. It applies to me from the flip side, I have never been a big consumer of college football and BCS, CFP and the expanded CFP has not motivated me to care more.

I'll admit it's made me care ever so slightly more from complete apathy to following the headlines. But yeah mostly the same
Maigh Eo for Sam

MUfan12

Quote from: The Sultan on January 09, 2025, 09:48:21 AMWhat that means for Marquette and the BE, I have no idea.

My worst fear is that once that TV deal is up, MU and other non-P4 football schools are done as national programs in basketball.

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: The Sultan on January 09, 2025, 09:48:21 AMI kinda think you are right. I would push the envelope out a little further though.

And I think it will come from the non-P4 members finally saying "yeah, go ahead." Yes, they will lose a bunch of revenue, but they will also be able to lower their cost structure because they won't have to keep up with what is happening at the top.

What that means for Marquette and the BE, I have no idea.

That's the big question. I really hate the thought of it, but employing one of Muggsy's patented words, I think they would eviscerate the BE. Hopefully Marquette would be added to one of the 4 power conferences. 
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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Hards Alumni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 09, 2025, 10:19:57 AMThis is true. It applies to me from the flip side, I have never been a big consumer of college football and BCS, CFP and the expanded CFP has not motivated me to care more.

Interesting.  I'm more motivated to watch the CFP since the games have meaning, while as previously, I just tuned out all of the bowl games except the championship.

MUfan12

I do think consolidation needs to happen to some degree. 364 D1 programs is far too many. Only having 70 or so is far too few and would destroy what makes the tournament so great.

SaveOD238

Hopium makes me believe that when the P4 decide to break away they will extend an invite to certain leagues/teams that make sense and can compete economically and on the field.

The obvious one is of course Notre Dame in Football, but I think there's room for a few more schools/leagues to round out the rest of the new division.  The schools of the new Pac7, for example. There's no reason for Boise State and SDSU to be OUT while Syracuse and Vanderbilt are IN.  Big names that can't find a conference like Memphis and UConn.  And yes, the competitive hoops schools that don't offer football, like Marquette, Creighton, Nova, St. Johns, and others.

Should MVSU and Coppin St and Pine Bluff and New Hampshire get the call? Hell no.  But there is a reasonable line to draw somewhere in the middle of D1.  Marquette SHOULD be above that line when the dust settles.

And if not, we dominate the remainder until someone notices and we force their hands.

The Sultan

Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 09, 2025, 11:16:49 AMAnd if not, we dominate the remainder until someone notices and we force their hands.

Why would that force their hands?
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Hards Alumni

"If you can't beat em, take your ball and go home", seems like a real possibility.

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