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The Sultan

#2625
July 16, 2025, 09:52:22 AM
Quote from: tower912 on July 16, 2025, 09:30:02 AMMake a list of worst lists.

1. Muggsy Bogues
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

#2626
July 16, 2025, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 06:23:07 AMMagic
Jordan
Lebron
Duncan
KAJ

Wilt
Malone  Garnett
Oscar  Steph
Kobe

Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem or Russell. Can't go wrong with any coming off the bench.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Hards Alumni

#2627
July 16, 2025, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on July 16, 2025, 09:55:44 AMWilt, Shaq, Hakeem or Russell. Can't go wrong with any coming off the bench.

Personally, I'm keeping Malone.  I think he's probably the most underrated player of the 90s.  Never got the respect he deserves.  Incredible amount of win shares, 4th all time VORP and still third all time in scoring.  No disrespect to Garnett either, who was an all timer as well.  Also, it's extremely close.

I'd be fine with Steph over the Big O.  Both are transcendent players and Steph played against better competitions.

The Sultan

#2628
July 16, 2025, 10:34:21 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 10:27:22 AMPersonally, I'm keeping Malone.  I think he's probably the most underrated player of the 90s.  Never got the respect he deserves.  Incredible amount of win shares, 4th all time VORP and still third all time in scoring.  No disrespect to Garnett either, who was an all timer as well.  Also, it's extremely close.

I'd be fine with Steph over the Big O.  Both are transcendent players and Steph played against better competitions.

I just think Steph can get on one of those rolls, like in the Olympics last year, were you just know he's going to hit shots. And you have more than enough ball handling on that team with Magic, Jordan and Kobe.

And I get it with Malone over Garnett. I just think Garnett would be a better rim runner with the offense on that team.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

GB Warrior

#2629
July 16, 2025, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 10:27:22 AMPersonally, I'm keeping Malone.  I think he's probably the most underrated player of the 90s.  Never got the respect he deserves.  Incredible amount of win shares, 4th all time VORP and still third all time in scoring.  No disrespect to Garnett either, who was an all timer as well.  Also, it's extremely close.

I'd be fine with Steph over the Big O.  Both are transcendent players and Steph played against better competitions.

Malone prefers to play a minor role

Hards Alumni

#2630
July 16, 2025, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 16, 2025, 10:56:45 AMMalone prefers to play a minor role

If we're going to go down the hole of the guys on this list and their problems Karl wouldn't be alone.

JWags85

#2631
July 16, 2025, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 12:23:19 PMIf we're going to go down the hole of the guys on this list and their problems Karl wouldn't be alone.

Yes, but nobody else on this list knocked up a 12 year old...

Uncle Rico

#2632
July 16, 2025, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2025, 12:31:31 PMYes, but nobody else on this list knocked up a 12 year old...

As an evangelical Christian, I never understood why this was a problem
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

Hards Alumni

#2633
July 16, 2025, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2025, 12:31:31 PMYes, but nobody else on this list knocked up a 12 year old...

That we know of

Shaka Shart

#2634
July 16, 2025, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 12:23:19 PMIf we're going to go down the hole of the guys on this list and their problems Karl wouldn't be alone.

He may have impregnated a 13 year old when 20, denied paternity of multiple children he later admitted to after they were raised, and harassed Vanessa Bryant (whose late husband is also a very bad person who is sportswashed to an insane degree); but at least he is not woke and a man of god.
#BanGBWarrior

Billy Hoyle

#2635
July 16, 2025, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 12:23:19 PMIf we're going to go down the hole of the guys on this list and their problems Karl wouldn't be alone.

but we can't mention Kobe. He's a "girl dad" so we must overlook his back door shenanigans.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

GB Warrior

#2636
July 16, 2025, 01:11:05 PM
Whataboutism about pedophilia is a choice one could make

Shaka Shart

#2637
July 16, 2025, 01:12:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 16, 2025, 01:10:44 PMbut we can't mention Kobe. He's a "girl dad" so we must overlook his back door shenanigans.

Overrated clutchness too. His PR team is unmatched
#BanGBWarrior

Hards Alumni

#2638
July 16, 2025, 01:13:29 PM
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 16, 2025, 01:11:05 PMWhataboutism about pedophilia is a choice one could make

Nah, I'm not suggesting we ignore Karl's crimes, just not single him out when there are plenty of guys who shoot hoops well that have done real bad stuff as well.

Jockey

#2639
July 16, 2025, 01:20:02 PM
If Durant ain't #1, then this is a fake poll.

Shaka Shart

#2640
July 16, 2025, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 01:13:29 PMNah, I'm not suggesting we ignore Karl's crimes, just not single him out when there are plenty of guys who shoot hoops well that have done real bad stuff as well.

Like Kareem speaking out against post 9/11 Islamophobia
#BanGBWarrior

Hards Alumni

#2641
July 16, 2025, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 16, 2025, 01:20:47 PMLike Kareem speaking out against post 9/11 Islamophobia

Shaka Shart

#2642
July 16, 2025, 01:32:32 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 01:22:55 PM

I bet Yoda had a mean no look pass
#BanGBWarrior

Billy Hoyle

#2643
July 16, 2025, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 01:13:29 PMNah, I'm not suggesting we ignore Karl's crimes, just not single him out when there are plenty of guys who shoot hoops well that have done real bad stuff as well.

I see your point, but the list of crimes worse than pedophilia is a very, very short one.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Hards Alumni

#2644
July 16, 2025, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 16, 2025, 01:33:15 PMI see your point, but the list of crimes worse than pedophilia is a very, very short one.

I don't disagree.  Forcible rape is also kinda bad, no?

GB Warrior

#2645
July 16, 2025, 01:50:32 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 01:34:32 PMI don't disagree.  Forcible rape is also kinda bad, no?

Kobe had a firey passion for his family

The Sultan

#2646
July 16, 2025, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 16, 2025, 01:50:32 PMKobe had a firey passion for his family

Especially when in a helicopter.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Hards Alumni

#2647
July 16, 2025, 02:18:18 PM

wadesworld

#2648
July 16, 2025, 02:50:25 PM
Quote from: Jockey on July 16, 2025, 01:20:02 PMIf Durant ain't #1, then this is a fake poll.

Despite 2 Finals MVPs, the guy can't lead a team to a title.

Unlike Jimmy Butler, who joined the same team KD joined and has 0 titles to his name.  Now that guy can lead a team to a title.

Uncle Rico

#2649
July 16, 2025, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on July 16, 2025, 02:50:25 PMDespite 2 Finals MVPs, the guy can't lead a team to a title.

Unlike Jimmy Butler, who joined the same team KD joined and has 0 titles to his name.  Now that guy can lead a team to a title.

Jimmy is wildly overrated
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.
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