2024-25 NBA Thread

[Jockey]

So it's a very important part of his game in that it's the least important part of his game?

Yes. He's not a3 point guy - averages just over 1 per game for his career. But the % is good enough that he can't be ignored from the line. But going to the basket is his game. But defenses are rotating to prevent that. And that is the reason midrange is important when the path is cut off.

You're trying hard, but I don't see where we are disagreeing.

[MuggsyB]

9 points in the 1Q for Minny?  That's obviously a complete disaster. 

[MuggsyB]

Embarrassing performance from Minnesota.  Have some freaking pride. 

[cheebs09]

Embarrassing performance from Minnesota.  Have some freaking pride. 

Already setting up Pickleball games for the offseason.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yes. He's not a3 point guy - averages just over 1 per game for his career. But the % is good enough that he can't be ignored from the line. But going to the basket is his game. But defenses are rotating to prevent that. And that is the reason midrange is important when the path is cut off.

You're trying hard, but I don't see where we are disagreeing.

Again, about 7% of his shots are in mid-range, about 27% are 3s. So he's much more a "3 point guy" than a "mid-range guy."

If you want to claim that this:

SGA obviously had terrible coaching. Almost all he does is shoot mid-range shots. Jamal Murray, as well.

Maybe the newfangled analytics haven't reached Canada yet

...was just you saying that being good at mid-range shots is better than being bad at mid-range shots because you may need to shoot them as a last resort, sure we agree.

[Jockey]

Again, about 7% of his shots are in mid-range, about 27% are 3s. So he's much more a "3 point guy" than a "mid-range guy."

If you want to claim that this:

...was just you saying that being good at mid-range shots is better than being bad at mid-range shots because you may need to shoot them as a last resort, sure we agree.

If you just wanna argue over a snarky, throwaway comment, there's nothing else I can say.

[The Sultan]

If you just wanna argue over a snarky, throwaway comment, there's nothing else I can say.

You mean the "snarky, throwaway comment" that you intially tried to defend?

Just wave the white flag already.

[Jockey]

You mean the "snarky, throwaway comment" that you intially tried to defend?

Just wave the white flag already.

I said in the reply that it is an important part of his game. I NEVER said that OKC ran plays to get midrange shots for SGA.

I will accept tamu's percentage and I think it makes my point. He mainly shoots it when the shot clock is nearing zero or when he drives and is cut off once he gets to the lane. This adds to his all-around game.

I do thank you though for taking this on for TAMU. I value your input.

[Jockey]

Since you guys wanna throw stats at me, let me throw some back at you. This is fun cuz even though my original comment was just snark, the responses I got made me look into it a little more.
 

Assisted midrange shots are going the way of the dinosaur - over the last 10 years or so - dropping about 65%

Unassisted midrange shots where a guy dribbles to get it - think Durrant, Derozan Beal, Leonard, etc. - have dropped less than 10%.

So, no the midrange shot is not dead. Making a pass to GET a midrange is dying. Running a set play to get a midrange is dying.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yes,  it is still legal to shoot mid-range shots. As long is that is true,  they will never be fully dead.

They are as close to dead as they can be, and that's a good thing.

[MuggsyB]

Yes,  it is still legal to shoot mid-range shots. As long is that is true,  they will never be fully dead.

They are as close to dead as they can be, and that's a good thing.

So, to be clear, basketball will be better if teams only shoot 3's, floaters, bunnies, and free throws?

[tower912]

According to advanced metrics.

[The Sultan]

So, to be clear, basketball will be better if teams only shoot 3's, floaters, bunnies, and free throws?

It will be more efficient offensively.

[MuggsyB]

It will be more efficient offensively.

I'm wondering what the offensive stats are for a team that rebounds a triple vs a mid-range shot or lay-up?  Isn't it easier to get a quasi transition opportunity on a missed 3?

[MuggsyB]

According to advanced metrics.

Where are the mid-range shots per player stats?  I don't see them. 

[wadesworld]

The Haliburton is overrated trope died for good tonight.

44:6 assist turnover ratio in this series. That's ridiculous.

Trope back on.

[MuggsyB]

Knicks in 7?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So, to be clear, basketball will be better if teams only shoot 3's, floaters, bunnies, and free throws?

I'm not sure it can get better. Every team seems to have finally figured out that shooting a long 2 is a victory for the defense.

[GB Warrior]

I cannot accept that late career Cam Payne and Delon Wright are better and more deserving of minutes than Tyler

[MuggsyB]

See ya Knicks.  Tyko with 3 dimes, zero turns. 

[MuggsyB]

Stamp this game if you want to watch how not to play transition defense.

[Skatastrophy]

I cannot accept that late career Cam Payne and Delon Wright are better and more deserving of minutes than Tyler

Tyler is a traffic cone, but so are a lot of incoming rooks, he will improve 

[wadesworld]

https://x.com/calebnixonmedia/status/1929007997897818381?s=42

😂😂😂😂

[MuggsyB]

The Knicks can't beat Indy in an up tempo game.  And no, had they won game 1 they wouldn't have won this series. 

But OKC is a different animal.  They're not going to give up lay-ups or wide open 3's after made baskets. 

[MuggsyB]

https://x.com/calebnixonmedia/status/1929007997897818381?s=42

😂😂😂😂

Siakam is a heck of a ball player.  He was more consistent throughout the series.  What a dumb trade by Toronto.