2024-25 NBA Thread

[MuggsyB]

This is why I said Thibs sat Towns too long in G2. 

[Billy Hoyle]

Impressive choke job by the Pacers. Pass up another layup to miss another three

[MuggsyB]

Impressive choke job by the Pacers. Pass up another layup to miss another three

Not an intelligent game fron Indy.  But give the Knicks credit. 

[The Sultan]

He seems to be on the same wavelength ad Wade. He's saying coaches aren't allowed to be harsh on players anymore. I think he uses "cancel culture" incorrectly but it's not a far fetched idea (though I'd blame our AAU system more).

https://awfulannouncing.com/nba/jay-williams-americas-mvp-drought-cancel-culture.html

"Just this week, Dwyane Wade told Pardon My Take how Tom Crean coached him to tears at times when they were at Marquette. And Wade was very appreciative for that. But the rate at which players transfer schools today undoubtedly makes it harder to develop the type of relationship and trust that allows for that type of coaching."

12 of the 15 players on the all NBA first, second and third teams are American. I think we can stop with the moral panic.

[Shaka Shart]

12 of the 15 players on the all NBA first, second and third teams are American. I think we can stop with the moral panic.

3/15 is still a lot, that's like Ner's ft percentage

[MuggsyB]

Who've ya got tonight? 

[MuggsyB]

Gobert needs to sit.  Giving Minny zero on both ends of the floor. 

[MuggsyB]

Holmgren with a big-time performance tonight.   

[MuggsyB]

Why did Minny waste 9 secs there?

[MuggsyB]

SGA cannot be sped up and has tremendous deceleration.  I'm wondering if coaches can teach these traits?  In other words he has no wasted movements or dribbles. 

[The Sultan]

SGA cannot be sped up and has tremendous deceleration.  I'm wondering if coaches can teach these traits?  In other words he has no wasted movements or dribbles. 

It had to be the coaching he received in Canada prior to coming to the States to play high school and AAU ball. I've been told that American coaching isn't adequately preparing talent for the NBA.

[JWags85]

It had to be the coaching he received in Canada prior to coming to the States to play high school and AAU ball. I've been told that American coaching isn't adequately preparing talent for the NBA.

It's kind of amusing to look at the Canada team roster.  Obviously extremely talented and nearly all of them grew up in Canada, so its not like they are dual nationals like Kyle Wiltjer was.  But they ALL played HS basketball in the US.  The only exception I can think of in this younger generation is Jamal Murray.  But he played at a prep school in Toronto where his dad was a coach.

[Jockey]

SGA obviously had terrible coaching. Almost all he does is shoot mid-range shots. Jamal Murray, as well.

Maybe the newfangled analytics haven't reached Canada yet

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

SGA obviously had terrible coaching. Almost all he does is shoot mid-range shots. Jamal Murray, as well.

Maybe the newfangled analytics haven't reached Canada yet

Yes "almost all he does is shoot mid-range shots"

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/sga-shot-chart

[wadesworld]

Yes "almost all he does is shoot mid-range shots"

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/sga-shot-chart

Right.  The guy that is now thought to be the best mid range jump shooter in the NBA shot 42% from 16-24 feet this year.  Moral of the story, he should probably shoot it less.

[Jockey]

Your sarcasm meter is broken?

I mean, read my post. It's pretty obvious from the wording I used. I expect the "committee of 'Oh, my God'" twins (sultan & wade) to criticize almost every post, but sometimes it really gets silly.

OK. Timer is running for their reply.

[wadesworld]

Your sarcasm meter is broken?

I mean, read my post. It's pretty obvious from the wording I used. I expect the "committee of 'Oh, my God'" twins (sultan & wade) to criticize almost every post, but sometimes it really gets silly.

OK. Timer is running for their reply.

Hmm. Might want to double check who the first reply was.

But sure. You were NOT being sarcastic and my sarcasm meter is broken.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Your sarcasm meter is broken?

I mean, read my post. It's pretty obvious from the wording I used. I expect the "committee of 'Oh, my God'" twins (sultan & wade) to criticize almost every post, but sometimes it really gets silly.

OK. Timer is running for their reply.

You were being sarcastic about SGA taking a lot of mid-range shots? I knew you were being hyperbolous, but I assumed you genuinely thought that SGA was proof of the value of the mid range game.... which he is. He shows how little value it has given that only around 7% of his shots are mid-range and he shoots them at a dramatically lower efficiency than all his other shots.

SGA is an elite scorer. Possibly the best in the world at the moment. Your best shot of stopping him is by forcing him to take mid-range shots.

[MuggsyB]

Wow.  First to 130 wins this one?

[Billy Hoyle]

The Haliburton is overrated trope died for good tonight.

44:6 assist turnover ratio in this series. That's ridiculous.

[MuggsyB]

The Haliburton is overrated trope died for good tonight.

44:6 assist turnover ratio in this series. That's ridiculous.

15 dimes, zero turns. Wow. 

[Jockey]

You were being sarcastic about SGA taking a lot of mid-range shots? I knew you were being hyperbolous, but I assumed you genuinely thought that SGA was proof of the value of the mid range game.... which he is. He shows how little value it has given that only around 7% of his shots are mid-range and he shoots them at a dramatically lower efficiency than all his other shots.

SGA is an elite scorer. Possibly the best in the world at the moment. Your best shot of stopping him is by forcing him to take mid-range shots.

The numbers - league wide - show what the value of the midrange game is or more precisely isn't. Obviously those numbers show that midrange should not be any significant part of most players' games.

But I also recognize that despite the percentages, it is a very important part of SGA's game. It is what he uses when the clock is running down. It is what he uses to get doubled in the lane for kick outs for wide open corner 3s. It is part of the reason he shoots more FT attempts than every player but Giannis.

So while midrange should be a last resort, there are players (SGA, Durrant) where it is a huge part of their success.

In other words, I don't think we are disagreeing at all.

[The Sultan]

The numbers - league wide - show what the value of the midrange game is or more precisely isn't. Obviously those numbers show that midrange should not be any significant part of most players' games.

But I also recognize that despite the percentages, it is a very important part of SGA's game. It is what he uses when the clock is running down. It is what he uses to get doubled in the lane for kick outs for wide open corner 3s. It is part of the reason he shoots more FT attempts than every player but Giannis.

So while midrange should be a last resort, there are players (SGA, Durrant) where it is a huge part of their success.

In other words, I don't think we are disagreeing at all.

How can it be a "huge part of his success" when he only takes 7% of his shots from there, and is less efficient from there than at the basket or from 3?

That is a nonsensical conclusion.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The numbers - league wide - show what the value of the midrange game is or more precisely isn't. Obviously those numbers show that midrange should not be any significant part of most players' games.

But I also recognize that despite the percentages, it is a very important part of SGA's game. It is what he uses when the clock is running down. It is what he uses to get doubled in the lane for kick outs for wide open corner 3s. It is part of the reason he shoots more FT attempts than every player but Giannis.

So while midrange should be a last resort, there are players (SGA, Durrant) where it is a huge part of their success.

In other words, I don't think we are disagreeing at all.

So it's a very important part of his game in that it's the least important part of his game?

I guess analytics did make it to Canada.

[wadesworld]

Looks like another Jockey NBA L.