Quite The Juxtaposition

[Uncle Rico]

U r a number 2 doo doo face

Hope you're going to confession this week.

[Jay Bee]

Hope you're going to confession this week.

It's a daily affair. Ax Pastor Pete

[Lennys Tap]

No, Lenny, you brought up pro sports when you said pro athletes can't go from team to team like college athletes.

I brought up pro sports? Huh?

Rocket says: "even the athletes within PRO sports can't just go from team to team at will".

He is correct, PRO athletes have restrictions that they have agreed to that limit their freedom of movement.

You reply to rocket: sure they (PROs) can...and they do.

You're wrong. They can't move without restrictions but only in the context of what their bargaining agreements allow.

So after rocket brought up PROs and you responded about PROs I merely pointed out some realities about the PROs which is what you and rocket were talking about.

If you're honest, you'll look back and see The post I quoted you on was about Pro athletes, not college ones.

[tower912]

It's a daily affair. Ax Pastor Pete

Don't need to hear about your daily affair with Pastor Pete.

[Viper]

Why do you care that college athletes are paid? Does that lessen your enjoyment of the game?

my interest is less than it was  before NIL came about. I'll leave it at that.

[tower912]

I get that.   For me, it was conference realignment and the greed of the member institutions.   I doubt I have watched 10 regular season college football games in the last 10 years.   

[The Sultan]

my interest is less than it was  before NIL came about. I'll leave it at that.

But why? I guess I don't understand why someone's amateur status has any bearing on one's interest.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

But why? I guess I don't understand why someone's amateur status has any bearing on one's interest.

Honestly, all I can think of is jealousy. They see college kids making as much in a year as they've made in most of their career and it makes them feel inadequate. Pro sports it's fine. They are (mostly) adults who are in the top .01% of all athletes. But college kids making their current salary just to ride the bench? Different story.

I'm open to other explanations but anytime I've asked this question I've gotten vague answers like:

my interest is less than it was  before NIL came about. I'll leave it at that.

[Viper]

But why? I guess I don't understand why someone's amateur status has any bearing on one's interest.

I'll explain it like this. It's the 'separation' that has always appealed to me...playing for your school, your teammates, classmates, fans, rivalries or whatever, but not for a contract or endorsement or boosters bag. Playing because I really like basketball, good at it, getting a free education out of it. The simplicity of it. Now...Recruits making decision's on where to play, or if to transfer and where, based on the size of the check. For me, unappealing. Just wait, soon you'll have college players holding out because they decide the $ isn't enough, or, the deposit is late, or the endorsement didn't come thru as planned. We play at UConn on Saturday, Billy. You ready? Well, I'm not happy with my NIL. I'm over performing. So, probably won't play this one. Me and Johnny sitting out the 'Nova game too...although Coach is making some phone calls, so we'll see.
You think that's far fetched?
There was a time I loved the nba. Not so much anymore that has nothing to do with contracts. College? I like it better than the nba but like it less than a few years ago. (same with football. Prefer college over the nfl but less enthused due to nil and realignments) Other than Marquette I don't watch many games until March. Truth be told, if MU isn't in the tournament, or once they are out, I'm out.

[MU82]

So you were perfectly fine with those pure amateur athletes getting their boosters' bags under the table?

You obviously were fine with all the $$$ going to the networks, conferences, schools, coaches, administrators, etc. ... and none going to the athletes who make college sports possible.

Anyway, Viper, thanks for the explanation. It's illogical, but you're obviously allowed to like or dislike the sports (and anything else) that you want to like or dislike.

[muwarrior69]

So you acknowledge that the united states has never had a fully capitalist economy? Interesting

There was unfettered capitalism until the Sherman anti-trust act was passed in 1890 and Massachusetts passed the first minimum wage law in 1912. JP Morgan, Cornelius Vanderbilt, John D. Rockefeller, and Andrew Carnegi are prime examples of capitalists at their worst.

The closest thing to a monopoly today would be Google.

[The Sultan]

I'll explain it like this. It's the 'separation' that has always appealed to me...playing for your school, your teammates, classmates, fans, rivalries or whatever, but not for a contract or endorsement or boosters bag. Playing because I really like basketball, good at it, getting a free education out of it. The simplicity of it. Now...Recruits making decision's on where to play, or if to transfer and where, based on the size of the check. For me, unappealing. Just wait, soon you'll have college players holding out because they decide the $ isn't enough, or, the deposit is late, or the endorsement didn't come thru as planned. We play at UConn on Saturday, Billy. You ready? Well, I'm not happy with my NIL. I'm over performing. So, probably won't play this one. Me and Johnny sitting out the 'Nova game too...although Coach is making some phone calls, so we'll see.
You think that's far fetched?
There was a time I loved the nba. Not so much anymore that has nothing to do with contracts. College? I like it better than the nba but like it less than a few years ago. (same with football. Prefer college over the nfl but less enthused due to nil and realignments) Other than Marquette I don't watch many games until March. Truth be told, if MU isn't in the tournament, or once they are out, I'm out.

I think players can love playing basketball, love playing for their school, AND get paid NIL money right?  Also, until those things actually become problems, I won't actually treat them as problems.

But I do appreciate the response.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

There was unfettered capitalism until the Sherman anti-trust act was passed in 1890 and Massachusetts passed the first minimum wage law in 1912. JP Morgan, Cornelius Vanderbilt, John D. Rockefeller, and Andrew Carnegi are prime examples of capitalists at their worst.

The closest thing to a monopoly today would be Google.

This is incorrect.  While 1887 was when the first economic regulatory body was founded, the US government has passed laws that placed limits on the free market since it's inception. 

[rocket surgeon]

I'll explain it like this. It's the 'separation' that has always appealed to me...playing for your school, your teammates, classmates, fans, rivalries or whatever, but not for a contract or endorsement or boosters bag. Playing because I really like basketball, good at it, getting a free education out of it. The simplicity of it. Now...Recruits making decision's on where to play, or if to transfer and where, based on the size of the check. For me, unappealing. Just wait, soon you'll have college players holding out because they decide the $ isn't enough, or, the deposit is late, or the endorsement didn't come thru as planned. We play at UConn on Saturday, Billy. You ready? Well, I'm not happy with my NIL. I'm over performing. So, probably won't play this one. Me and Johnny sitting out the 'Nova game too...although Coach is making some phone calls, so we'll see.
You think that's far fetched?
There was a time I loved the nba. Not so much anymore that has nothing to do with contracts. College? I like it better than the nba but like it less than a few years ago. (same with football. Prefer college over the nfl but less enthused due to nil and realignments) Other than Marquette I don't watch many games until March. Truth be told, if MU isn't in the tournament, or once they are out, I'm out.


well stated viper!  hold out on the big games might leave a little bruise

[Goose]

I would say that the NIL situation would take away some of enjoyment from college basketball if MU was not having success. I have no problem with guys getting paid but it has gotten out of hand, imo. If MU were to struggle in the future, I definitely would find myself having a lot less interest than I currently do.

[The Sultan]

So you are OK with them being paid, but only a certain amount?

[Goose]

Fluff

Really do not care how much they are paid. Not a fan of guys moving every year for more money and the general vibe of the NIL era. My biggest gripe is the going to program to program, not the money.

[Pakuni]

Fluff

Really do not care how much they are paid. Not a fan of guys moving every year for more money and the general vibe of the NIL era. My biggest gripe is the going to program to program, not the money.

The NCAA could stop this if it wanted.

[Billy Hoyle]

I'll explain it like this. It's the 'separation' that has always appealed to me...playing for your school, your teammates, classmates, fans, rivalries or whatever, but not for a contract or endorsement or boosters bag. Playing because I really like basketball, good at it, getting a free education out of it. The simplicity of it. Now...Recruits making decision's on where to play, or if to transfer and where, based on the size of the check. Just wait, soon you'll have college players holding out because they decide the $ isn't enough, or, the deposit is late, or the endorsement didn't come thru as planned. We play at UConn on Saturday, Billy. You ready? Well, I'm not happy with my NIL. I'm over performing. So, probably won't play this one. Me and Johnny sitting out the 'Nova game too...although Coach is making some phone calls, so we'll see.
You think that's far fetched?

Just wait? Far fetched? It's already happening. Nigel Pack demanded a "renegotiation" of his NIL deal after another player got more. Kadary Richmond sat out three conference games (probably costing The Hall a tourney bid) because NIL payments were late and he wanted more money. I know of other players who just couldn't get healthy enough to play because payments didn't come through. Tampering is out of control with agents and parents negotiating with collectives from other schools during the season.

I can't speak for current students, but it would have been weird for me to be in class sitting next to a hoops player who is on his or her third school in three years who is making $1 million, living in a luxury condo, and driving a Range Rover...if they're even going to class.

[Billy Hoyle]

The NCAA could stop this if it wanted.

they tried: https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-ncaa-lawsuit-nil-7ecfad9c88f8c8baa7e0f4bb00f22ec9

[Pakuni]

I can't speak for current students, but it would have been weird for me to be in class sitting next to a hoops player who is on his or her third school in three years who is making $1 million, living in a luxury condo, and driving a Range Rover...if they're even going to class.

I managed to get through both Marquette and my Catholic high school while sharing classroom space with students driving nicer cars, living in nicer homes and having way more financial wherewithal than I.

[Pakuni]

they tried: https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-ncaa-lawsuit-nil-7ecfad9c88f8c8baa7e0f4bb00f22ec9

That's not what I meant.
There's a step the NCAA could take that would allow it to seek limits on player movement. The NCAA has steadfastly refused to do so.

[tower912]

I remember walking by and seeing Wlatwr Downing hand washing his very nice car.   I just always assumed the MU players were getting the lucrative handshake.

[The Sultan]

I can't speak for current students, but it would have been weird for me to be in class sitting next to a hoops player who is on his or her third school in three years who is making $1 million, living in a luxury condo, and driving a Range Rover...if they're even going to class.

So I guess TAMU was right then.

[Viper]

So you were perfectly fine with those pure amateur athletes getting their boosters' bags under the table?

You obviously were fine with all the $$$ going to the networks, conferences, schools, coaches, administrators, etc. ... and none going to the athletes who make college sports possible.

Anyway, Viper, thanks for the explanation. It's illogical, but you're obviously allowed to like or dislike the sports (and anything else) that you want to like or dislike.

you don't have a job, do you?