End of Chevron doctrine

[MUBurrow]

Heisey's post was also filled with exaggerations.

That's putting it lightly.  It deserves the Billy Madison principal treatment.

[MU82]

Feelings, not facts

Of course. That's what surveys are.

I happen to think the majority is right on this one, but that's also an opinion.

[rocket surgeon]

they should come up with fines for those(pols) who blatantly and openly disparage the calls they don't like just like in sports.  especially the higher ups-that's kinda like, "that's a nice family ya got there-hate to see anything bad happen to them"

[MU82]

wut?

[Uncle Rico]

they should come up with fines for those(pols) who blatantly and openly disparage the calls they don't like just like in sports.  especially the higher ups-that's kinda like, "that's a nice family ya got there-hate to see anything bad happen to them"

Huh.

9 out of 10 for wild lack of self-awareness

[Pakuni]

Feelings, not facts

Why not both?
I don't know how one reads some of these opinions (looking at you, Bruen) and find them not ideologically driven.

[Skatastrophy]

just catching up on the discussion, watching from the outside, I can honestly say that I was thoroughly impressed with Rockies moderation here.  decent command of the topic while acknowledging he hasn't read the whole thing as i'm sure very few of the others have as well.  but tactfully walking the fine line here while keeping some of the known "activists" and heavy breathers under control.  I say he deserves a raise

    regardless of heisy's post being plagiarized or not, it was super informative and summarized the Chevron thingy brilliantly, but gave the "haters" more reason to hate because the hate the message and the messenger.  damn you heisy-just put quotes and a footnote man and you would still have been hated, but the haters would have had less ammo

And thusly, Rocky's position was undermind and he took a break from Scoop.

[Lighthouse 84]

Cutting-and-pasting someone else's work and presenting it as your own is an official duty of being Heisey and he is therefore immune to mockery.

Heisey's post was also filled with exaggerations.

Why are people complaining about Heisy's post?  Cutting-and-pasting someone else's work and being full of exaggerations has worked for the current president...

[Uncle Rico]

And thusly, Rocky's position was undermind and he took a break from Scoop.

Bump

[MU82]

Former Nixon White House counsel John Dean said Monday that had the Supreme Court's immunity ruling been in force in the early 1970s, history could have turned out very differently.

"As I looked at it, I realized Richard Nixon would have had a pass" because the evidence against him was based on official acts the Supreme Court has deemed immune from prosecution, Dean told reporters.

The Watergate scandal began with a break-in at the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and expanded to include a host of clandestine and illicit activities in which the Nixon administration and campaign played a part, resulting in dozens of convictions of Nixon aides and associates.

Dean, who became a star witness during the Watergate investigation, called Monday's ruling "a radical decision by a radical court" and "judicial activism on steroids."

(Above from Washington Post)

[Uncle Rico]

Former Nixon White House counsel John Dean said Monday that had the Supreme Court's immunity ruling been in force in the early 1970s, history could have turned out very differently.

"As I looked at it, I realized Richard Nixon would have had a pass" because the evidence against him was based on official acts the Supreme Court has deemed immune from prosecution, Dean told reporters.

The Watergate scandal began with a break-in at the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and expanded to include a host of clandestine and illicit activities in which the Nixon administration and campaign played a part, resulting in dozens of convictions of Nixon aides and associates.

Dean, who became a star witness during the Watergate investigation, called Monday's ruling "a radical decision by a radical court" and "judicial activism on steroids."

(Above from Washington Post)

The impeachment process was discussed during the ratification of the constitution.  Would be good for some to revisit that.

[Pakuni]

Former Nixon White House counsel John Dean said Monday that had the Supreme Court's immunity ruling been in force in the early 1970s, history could have turned out very differently.

"As I looked at it, I realized Richard Nixon would have had a pass" because the evidence against him was based on official acts the Supreme Court has deemed immune from prosecution, Dean told reporters.

The Watergate scandal began with a break-in at the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and expanded to include a host of clandestine and illicit activities in which the Nixon administration and campaign played a part, resulting in dozens of convictions of Nixon aides and associates.

Dean, who became a star witness during the Watergate investigation, called Monday's ruling "a radical decision by a radical court" and "judicial activism on steroids."

(Above from Washington Post)

[jesmu84]

Well, if we're gonna keep talking about the immunity...

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-fake-electors-scheme-supreme-court-1919928

[Jockey]

This entire discussion is silly. trump is a criminal who is now above the law thanks to criminals on the Supreme Court.

The republican party has the same integrity as the catholic priesthood.

[Lennys Tap]

This entire discussion is silly. trump is a criminal who is now above the law thanks to criminals on the Supreme Court.

The republican party has the same integrity as the catholic priesthood.

There's been some silly in this discussion. You win first prize.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

    regardless of heisy's post being plagiarized or not, it was super informative and summarized the Chevron thingy brilliantly, but gave the "haters" more reason to hate because the hate the message and the messenger.  damn you heisy-just put quotes and a footnote man and you would still have been hated, but the haters would have had less ammo

Not one to usually give credit to him here but "Haters gonna hate, hahaha they're so mad!" is actually a pretty succinct portrayal of the ideologies of concerningly many people in this world.

[Jockey]

There's been some silly in this discussion. You win first prize.

The Court literally ruled that he is above the law. Sentencing already postponed ( ) in NY. Took less than 24 hours.

Lotsa sand in Florida to bury your head in.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

The Court literally ruled that he is above the law. Sentencing already postponed ( ) in NY. Took less than 24 hours.

Lotsa sand in Florida to bury your head in.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/918ea09a-cc85-47e6-8de7-84e63321c36f

[MU82]

This entire discussion is silly. trump is a criminal who is now above the law thanks to criminals on the Supreme Court.

The republican party has the same integrity as the catholic priesthood.

You don't need to use hyperbole to criticize this outrageous SCOTUS ruling.

For example, to the best of our knowledge, zero SCOTUS justices are criminals. But at least two of the well-right-of-center justices are ethically compromised. That's an effective criticism that is also a documented fact.

[Pakuni]

This entire discussion is silly. trump is a criminal who is now above the law thanks to criminals on the Supreme Court.

The republican party has the same integrity as the catholic priesthood.

As someone who finds the ruling pretty problematic, that's an exaggeration.
The reality is, all government workers - from presidents to teachers to cops to village board members - receive some level of immunity from criminal prosecution and civil liability for their actions. The issue as always is how far that immunity extends and under what circumstances it is granted.
Roberts' ruling goes too far, IMO.

[rocket surgeon]

The Court literally ruled that he is above the law. Sentencing already postponed ( ) in NY. Took less than 24 hours.

Lotsa sand in Florida to bury your head in.

  oh believe me, this could exonerate those who, oh,  pulled out of a country leaving who knows how many stranded Americans, billions of dollars worth of military equipment, cost 13 brave soldiers their lives (yes service members lost their lives in the past 3 1/2 years) and allowed Taliban to take over.  yes the court probably even exonerates those gained ? millions of dollars in bribes from foreign countries or what ever 10% for the big guy comes out to and didn't even have to pay his "fair share" on.  hell, just call it a "biness expense".  it might even exonerate those who showered with their daughters too.  not sure if it would cover veeps leveling bribes against foreighn countries holding our tax payer money ransom to fire prosecutors though.  someone should ask

  lotsa sand on the shores of Delaware too

[Uncle Rico]

  oh believe me, this could exonerate those who, oh,  pulled out of a country leaving who knows how many stranded Americans, billions of dollars worth of military equipment, cost 13 brave soldiers their lives (yes service members lost their lives in the past 3 1/2 years) and allowed Taliban to take over.  yes the court probably even exonerates those gained ? millions of dollars in bribes from foreign countries or what ever 10% for the big guy comes out to and didn't even have to pay his "fair share" on.  hell, just call it a "biness expense".  it might even exonerate those who showered with their daughters too.  not sure if it would cover veeps leveling bribes against foreighn countries holding our tax payer money ransom to fire prosecutors though.  someone should ask

  lotsa sand on the shores of Delaware too

8 out of 10

[jesmu84]

  oh believe me, this could exonerate those who, oh,  pulled out of a country leaving who knows how many stranded Americans, billions of dollars worth of military equipment, cost 13 brave soldiers their lives (yes service members lost their lives in the past 3 1/2 years) and allowed Taliban to take over.  yes the court probably even exonerates those gained ? millions of dollars in bribes from foreign countries or what ever 10% for the big guy comes out to and didn't even have to pay his "fair share" on.  hell, just call it a "biness expense".  it might even exonerate those who showered with their daughters too.  not sure if it would cover veeps leveling bribes against foreighn countries holding our tax payer money ransom to fire prosecutors though.  someone should ask

  lotsa sand on the shores of Delaware too

So you support the idea of presidential immunity including for Joe Biden?

[Pakuni]

8 out of 10

Wake and bake?

[MU82]

Wake and bake?

Speaking of baking ...

Biden proposes new rule to protect workers from extreme heat; Corporations and Republicans say don't bother.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden on Tuesday proposed a new rule to address excessive heat in the workplace, warning — as tens of millions of people in the U.S. are under heat advisories — that high temperatures are the country's leading weather-related killer.

If finalized, the measure would protect an estimated 36 million U.S. workers from injuries related to heat exposure on the job — establishing the first major federal safety standard of its kind. Those affected by excessive heat in the workplace include farmworkers, delivery and construction workers, landscapers and indoor workers in warehouses, factories and kitchens.

"More people die from extreme heat than floods, hurricanes and tornadoes combined," Biden said. "These climate fueled extreme weather events don't just affect people's lives. They also cost money. They hurt the economy, and they have a significant negative psychological effect on people."

An estimated 2,300 people in the U.S. died from heat-related illness in 2023. From 1992 to 2022, a total of 986 workers across all industry sectors in the U.S. died from exposure to heat.

California, Colorado, Oregon, Minnesota and Washington are the only states with workplace standards for heat exposure. Over the past year, Florida and Texas, led by Gov. Ron DeSantis and Gov. Greg Abbott, both Republicans, passed legislation preventing local governments from requiring heat protections for outdoor workers. Heat protection laws in the U.S. have faced steady industry opposition, including from chambers of commerce and other business associations.

If finalized, the Biden administration's rule would override state standards, and states with existing procedures to deal with heat would have to institute measures at least as stringent as the finalized federal rule.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-heatwave-climate-change-deaths-workplace-osha-b70273c6b266a8e3785da1f52c4d1a79

"Screw the workers - let 'em fry! They're mostly in 'Black jobs' and 'Hispanic jobs' anyway. If thousands die while farming crops and building infrastructure for the rest of us, so be it."

Love,
Ronnie D, Greg A & the rest of the All Life Is Precious People