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Author Topic: End of Chevron doctrine  (Read 4174 times)

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #250 on: July 05, 2024, 08:20:30 AM »
You guys are so cute with your precedents and past practices.

Is that similar to the practice of not allowing a Supreme Court Justice to get a hearing in an election year that prevented Merrick Garland from being seated? The same practice that was ignored to seat Amy Coney Barrett before RBG's body was cold?

Or the precedent that all these justices declared Roe to be settled law in their hearings before overruling as soon as they had a chance?

The laws and Constitution are little more than a speed bump to pave the way for Project 2025 that is designed to lock in one party rule as soon as possible.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #251 on: July 05, 2024, 08:28:31 AM »
You guys are so cute with your precedents and past practices.

Is that similar to the practice of not allowing a Supreme Court Justice to get a hearing in an election year that prevented Merrick Garland from being seated? The same practice that was ignored to seat Amy Coney Barrett before RBG's body was cold?

Or the precedent that all these justices declared Roe to be settled law in their hearings before overruling as soon as they had a chance?

The laws and Constitution are little more than a speed bump to pave the way for Project 2025 that is designed to lock in one party rule as soon as possible.

They’ve been saying it out loud.  For a long time.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #252 on: July 05, 2024, 08:30:42 AM »
you guys and your "coups"  the capital police sure didn't act as if they were under siege at all, but keep er going I guess



Uh…wut?
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #253 on: July 05, 2024, 08:40:37 AM »
If you're afraid of Project 2025 - and you should be - you should be way more concerned with the Dems trotting out the corpse of Joe Biden this fall than you should with John Roberts.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #254 on: July 05, 2024, 08:43:53 AM »
If you're afraid of Project 2025 - and you should be - you should be way more concerned with the Dems trotting out the corpse of Joe Biden this fall than you should with John Roberts.

Mostly because the court will have four septuagenarians.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #255 on: July 05, 2024, 08:44:57 AM »
If you're afraid of Project 2025 - and you should be - you should be way more concerned with the Dems trotting out the corpse of Joe Biden this fall than you should with John Roberts.


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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #256 on: July 05, 2024, 08:46:50 AM »
If you're afraid of Project 2025 - and you should be - you should be way more concerned with the Dems trotting out the corpse of Joe Biden this fall than you should with John Roberts.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #257 on: July 05, 2024, 09:05:29 AM »
If you're afraid of Project 2025 - and you should be - you should be way more concerned with the Dems trotting out the corpse of Joe Biden this fall than you should with John Roberts.

Sign me up for a brokered convention tomorrow. Whitmer, Warnock, Shapiro, Beshear, any of them would win because the country is desperate for anyone that isn't "these same two" and they could walk away from the weaknesses in Biden's support (Gaza policy, age issues, etc).

But it's not Roberts that should scare people. Roberts hasn't been in control of this court for the past four years. It's the Heritage Foundation court now. SCOTUS exists to enable Project 2025. Just like Trump continues to exist for that reason.

This SCOTUS action, along with Project 2025, is the right wing trying to advance their unitary executive theory that will in effect be the Republican version of the 1933 Enabling Act that made Germany a one-party state.

It can happen here, and all of this is efforts to make it happen here.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #258 on: July 05, 2024, 09:16:18 AM »
This SCOTUS action, along with Project 2025, is the right wing trying to advance their unitary executive theory that will in effect be the Republican version of the 1933 Enabling Act that made Germany a one-party state.

Hyperbolic nonsense.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #259 on: July 05, 2024, 09:20:24 AM »
They’ve been saying it out loud.  For a long time.

Yes. Yet for some reason, people don't believe them when they explicitly spell out their plans for all of the world to see.

If you're afraid of Project 2025 - and you should be - you should be way more concerned with the Dems trotting out the corpse of Joe Biden this fall than you should with John Roberts.


Yep, I fear for our country for both of those reasons, and a few others.

It can happen here, and all of this is efforts to make it happen here.

Yessir. Perhaps the scariest thing of all is that many people I consider intelligent and reasonable believe, for some reason, that it can't happen here.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #260 on: July 05, 2024, 09:25:24 AM »
Sign me up for a brokered convention tomorrow. Whitmer, Warnock, Shapiro, Beshear, any of them would win because the country is desperate for anyone that isn't "these same two" and they could walk away from the weaknesses in Biden's support (Gaza policy, age issues, etc).

But it's not Roberts that should scare people. Roberts hasn't been in control of this court for the past four years. It's the Heritage Foundation court now. SCOTUS exists to enable Project 2025. Just like Trump continues to exist for that reason.

This SCOTUS action, along with Project 2025, is the right wing trying to advance their unitary executive theory that will in effect be the Republican version of the 1933 Enabling Act that made Germany a one-party state.

It can happen here, and all of this is efforts to make it happen here.

You're naming a lot of people without name recognition that you think would beat Trump.  A brokered convention that produces a name that isn't Whitmer, Newsom, Pritzker, or Harris would probably lose since the average American has no clue who Josh Shapiro, Raphael Warnock, or Andy Bashear are.  I am a nerd, so I know, but they're not popular enough, especially with a far shorter election season.

Let's be honest, if Joe drops out, the Dems are running Kamala, and she is a different kind of disaster, but a disaster nonetheless.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #261 on: July 05, 2024, 09:27:36 AM »
You're naming a lot of people without name recognition that you think would beat Trump.  A brokered convention that produces a name that isn't Whitmer, Newsom, Pritzker, or Harris would probably lose since the average American has no clue who Josh Shapiro, Raphael Warnock, or Andy Bashear are.  I am a nerd, so I know, but they're not popular enough, especially with a far shorter election season.

Let's be honest, if Joe drops out, the Dems are running Kamala, and she is a different kind of disaster, but a disaster nonetheless.

Right. Biden should have dropped out two years ago. Now they are screwed no matter what they do.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #262 on: July 05, 2024, 09:31:13 AM »
Right. Biden should have dropped out two years ago. Now they are screwed no matter what they do.

Yes, he should have, but I'm not sure they're screwed.  Having said that, if Joe drops out I sincerely doubt that Trump agrees to do any more debates. 

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #263 on: July 05, 2024, 09:37:15 AM »
You're naming a lot of people without name recognition that you think would beat Trump.  A brokered convention that produces a name that isn't Whitmer, Newsom, Pritzker, or Harris would probably lose since the average American has no clue who Josh Shapiro, Raphael Warnock, or Andy Bashear are.  I am a nerd, so I know, but they're not popular enough, especially with a far shorter election season.

Let's be honest, if Joe drops out, the Dems are running Kamala, and she is a different kind of disaster, but a disaster nonetheless.

I disagree. I actually think any viable new name at this point is in better shape than they would've been had he dropped out 2 years ago. The campaign would be all energy with not enough time to create the negative narratives that come with an 18-month campaign.

The most popular refrain right now is "anybody but Trump or Biden." That's the one thing that would consolidate the country.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

I'm sure Germans in 1932 would've thought the same. The only nonsense is being so blind as to not see that is the goal and it's already in progress.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #264 on: July 05, 2024, 09:51:50 AM »
I disagree. I actually think any viable new name at this point is in better shape than they would've been had he dropped out 2 years ago. The campaign would be all energy with not enough time to create the negative narratives that come with an 18-month campaign.

The most popular refrain right now is "anybody but Trump or Biden." That's the one thing that would consolidate the country.

I'm sure Germans in 1932 would've thought the same. The only nonsense is being so blind as to not see that is the goal and it's already in progress.

Better than Biden?  Of course!  Able to win is an entirely different story.  I promise you there has already been a TON of oppo research that has been done for each of the potential Biden replacements. 

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #265 on: July 05, 2024, 09:58:15 AM »
I'm sure Germans in 1932 would've thought the same. The only nonsense is being so blind as to not see that is the goal and it's already in progress.

This seems to ignore German history, which is quite different from American history, especially up to 1932.
The Nazi regime wasn't born in a vacuum and German authoritarianism wasn't created by Hitler. The Weimar Republic was the anomaly of German history, not the norm. Authoritarianism was the established and accepted government in Germany for centuries.
Suggesting that the political climate of the U.S. today is akin to 1932 Germany is historically inaccurate, and by miles. The Germans in 1932 wouldn't have suggested that fears of authoritarianism were hyperbolic. They would have said, "Well, yeah, that's who we are."
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #266 on: July 05, 2024, 10:02:34 AM »
Speaking of Biden's status, I've seen some funny but on point tweets lately noting that the Democrats are acting like a sports team that's about to fire its coach. Closed door team meetings. Public votes of confidence, but leaks illustrating a sh*tshow behind the scenes. The coach/president promises that he's in it for the long haul.

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« Reply #267 on: July 05, 2024, 10:08:27 AM »
The Germans in 1932 wouldn't have suggested that fears of authoritarianism were hyperbolic. They would have said, "Well, yeah, that's who we are."

That's reassuring.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #268 on: July 05, 2024, 10:17:08 AM »
Speaking of Biden's status, I've seen some funny but on point tweets lately noting that the Democrats are acting like a sports team that's about to fire its coach. Closed door team meetings. Public votes of confidence, but leaks illustrating a sh*tshow behind the scenes. The coach/president promises that he's in it for the long haul.

Very apropos

 

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