End of Chevron doctrine

[lawdog77]

Just like most laws governing the government, it's not a huge issue until you have a bad actor holding the office actively trying to find the outer bounds of what they can get away with.

I consider the SC rulings to be a monster problem with the election coming up, and this is 50/50 the end of democracy in the US. I guess we'll see.

RE: Bidens performance - He was low energy but he answered the questions and stuck to facts. The other guy lied the whole way through the debate. Not really comparable if you have strong values.

Neither candidate really answered the questions. They both suck.

[The Sultan]

Biden was terrible. No reason to say otherwise.

[Skatastrophy]

Neither candidate really answered the questions. They both suck.

They suck in distinctly different ways which makes it an easy values judgement.

There's one of those two that I trust to not assassinate a US citizen on US soil as a part of official business. Which is completely legal now.

[Uncle Rico]

Let's get back to the topic at hand and that's laughing at Heisenberg's post

[lawdog77]

They suck in distinctly different ways which makes it an easy values judgement.

There's one of those two that I trust to not assassinate a US citizen on US soil as a part of official business. Which is completely legal now.

One is a morally bankrupt liar. The other is a shell of his former self, who should not be running. It's like having to answer the question, would you rather be shot or stabbed?

[Zog from Margo]

Actually, the the notion of absolute immunity was rejected in this case.

The Court gave complete immunity for anything done within the core functions of the office. A President sending troops into a foreign country to protect his/her personal business interests would not appear to be subject to criminal review if he/she couches the raid in terms of national defense. Presumptive immunity is given for anything done within even the outer bounds of the office. As Barrett said, the President has no role in monitoring the elections in states but the majority sent the fake elector effort back to the lower courts for a determination.

I am wondering what Biden can now do without fear of retribution.

Given its disregard for precedent and creating immunity that is not delineated in the Constitution, it will be interesting to see if legal scholars eventually view the Roberts Court as more activist than the Warren Court. In any event, Roberts is sure to get a nice free vacation out of it.

[Lennys Tap]

First, it's not "faux outrage." It may be misplaced or exaggerated, but people are legit outraged.

Second, if you think people aren't talking about Biden's performance on Friday and discussing the ramifications of it, you aren't paying attention. It's been dominating the media discourse for over 48 hours.

So hyperbolic or dumb, the alternatives I acknowledged.

And the ONLY thing people have been talking about since Thursday is what to do about Joe. This gives those folks something else (that they'd much prefer) to obsess about.

[Pakuni]

Let's get back to the topic at hand and that's laughing at Heisenberg's post

Cutting-and-pasting someone else's work and presenting it as your own is an official duty of being Heisey and he is therefore immune to mockery.

[rocky_warrior]

A President sending troops into a foreign country to protect his/her personal business interests would not appear to be subject to criminal review if he/she couches the raid in terms of national defense.

But avoiding the "state of war" to avoid congressional approval is still a hurdle.

[MU82]

I was giving you credit. If not faux, it's just hyperbolic and dumb.

It's neither hyperbolic nor dumb IMHO. I'm disappointed you resorted to a personal attack over a difference of opinion.

It was an outrageous decision.

[The Sultan]

So hyperbolic or dumb, the alternatives I acknowledged.

And the ONLY thing people have been talking about since Thursday is what to do about Joe. This gives those folks something else (that they'd much prefer) to obsess about.

Oh. So you were wrong. Gotcha.

[Uncle Rico]

Oh. So you were wrong. Gotcha.

Facts

[MU82]

And the ONLY thing people have been talking about since Thursday is what to do about Joe. This gives those folks something else (that they'd much prefer) to obsess about.

So it's your contention that had SCOTUS released this decision a week ago - 3 days before the debate - hardly anybody would care about it because they wouldn't need to deflect from Biden's poor debate performance?

That's silly.

It's a landmark decision from an ever more partisan and compromised U.S. Supreme Court about a subject that an entire nation has  been discussing since the then-president of the United States fomented a violent coup attempt against his own country.

[brewcity77]

Sotomayor's dissent was the one rational thing to come out of that decision. She sees exactly what the intent of this is. To give absolute power to any president willing to take it.

If you want to be the frog placidly wondering why the water seems to be warming, I guess that's one way to approach what is obviously a five-alarm fire being lit to the foundation of our democracy.

[rocky_warrior]

Sotomayor's dissent was the one rational thing to come out of that decision. She sees exactly what the intent of this is. To give absolute power to any president willing to take it.

If you want to be the frog placidly wondering why the water seems to be warming, I guess that's one way to approach what is obviously a five-alarm fire being lit to the foundation of our democracy.

Well then, I guess we'll probably see presidential candidates and supreme court justices having "heart attacks" in the next couple weeks.

Seriously, you are overblowing the whole thing.  You realize the only people that theorized that murder would be acceptable were a) trumps lawyer, and b) Sotomayor.

[Pakuni]

Seriously, you are overblowing the whole thing.  You realize the only people that theorized that murder would be acceptable were a) trumps lawyer, and b) Sotomayor.

Honest question ... What in this ruling suggests murder would not be acceptable?

[brewcity77]

Yeah, and Hillary Clinton was wrong when she said they'd overturn Roe. 

[Lennys Tap]

Oh. So you were wrong. Gotcha.

No.

Aren't you on vacation? Why don't you play with the grandkids, take a walk with the wife or have dinner with friends instead of feeding your Scoop addiction? Maybe assuming grandkids, a wife or friends who want to be with you is a bridge too far but a guy can hope.

[rocky_warrior]

Honest question ... What in this ruling suggests murder would not be acceptable?

Well, the majority knew Sotomayor's opinion, and didn't give it another thought.  And from what you've shared from the majority opinion (I still haven't read more), I always ask the legal question of "should I reasonably assume that gives me permission to ____". And the answer is always NO when "murder" is the ____.

So, that's my opinion.  Subject to being wrong when the heart attacks start happening...

[rocky_warrior]

Yeah, and Hillary Clinton was wrong when she said they'd overturn Roe. 

She was wrong, but that also wasn't the end of abortion, was it?

[Lennys Tap]

Sotomayor's dissent was the one rational thing to come out of that decision. She sees exactly what the intent of this is. To give absolute power to any president willing to take it.

If you want to be the frog placidly wondering why the water seems to be warming, I guess that's one way to approach what is obviously a five-alarm fire being lit to the foundation of our democracy.

Paranoia strikes deep.

[GB Warrior]

She was wrong, but that also wasn't the end of abortion, was it?

No you're right, just back to the states who have shown they are tremendous caretakers of freedom

[rocky_warrior]

No you're right, just back to the states who have shown they are tremendous caretakers of freedom

Indeed!
https://www.guttmacher.org/2024/03/despite-bans-number-abortions-united-states-increased-2023

[Zog from Margo]

But avoiding the "state of war" to avoid congressional approval is still a hurdle.

Yep. Like Vietnam.

[rocky_warrior]

Yep. Like Vietnam.

Congress still approved troop deployment in that case.