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Author Topic: End of Chevron doctrine  (Read 4175 times)

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2024, 07:16:02 AM »
I feel like I just watched the bar scene from "Good Will Hunting."

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2024, 07:18:56 AM »
This is better than I could have ever thought. I live rent-free in everyone's brain here.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2024, 07:22:56 AM »
As with most things here, he's got it wrong.
And again, a "conservative" majority shows no deference for decades of settled law.

Is it still wrong?

Or have you been exposed as a low-IQ pretender? Because you react only to the poster name, not the words written.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2024, 07:26:41 AM »
Is it still wrong?

Or have you been exposed as a low-IQ pretender? Because you react only to the poster name, not the words written.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2024, 08:25:35 AM »
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2024, 08:36:33 AM »
This is better than I could have ever thought. I live rent-free in everyone's brain here.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2024, 09:21:02 AM »
This is better than I could have ever thought. I live rent-free in everyone's brain here.

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Oh. So you’re now just a troll. Gotcha.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2024, 09:34:36 AM »

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2024, 10:14:39 AM »
Oh. So you’re now just a troll. Gotcha.

It's just easy to say, "oh i was just trollin" after you get called out. Saves him from the blow to his ego.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2024, 10:15:09 AM »
And...Chevron doctrine becomes a footnote. Thanks to SCOTUS we now live in an autocracy.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2024, 10:34:19 AM »
And...Chevron doctrine becomes a footnote. Thanks to SCOTUS we now live in an autocracy.

Imo, a government with Chevron is no more or less autocratic than one without it. 

It just doesn't need to be this political. Chevron was a survival mechanism for courts to acknowledge that in the highly technical realm of administrative regulation, the benefit of expertise will most often lie with the administrative agencies developing regulations as a means to implement the law.  The administrative apparatus is an extension of the executive branch, and should theoretically be in the Republican mold as much as the Democratic. (Footnote - it is, but Republicans have so thoroughly won the messaging war that they have made it a Democratic boogeyman while almost never relinquishing "expansions" of administrative authority while they are in office.) 

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2024, 10:40:05 AM »
Imo, a government with Chevron is no more or less autocratic than one without it. 

It just doesn't need to be this political. Chevron was a survival mechanism for courts to acknowledge that in the highly technical realm of administrative regulation, the benefit of expertise will most often lie with the administrative agencies developing regulations as a means to implement the law.  The administrative apparatus is an extension of the executive branch, and should theoretically be in the Republican mold as much as the Democratic. (Footnote - it is, but Republicans have so thoroughly won the messaging war that they have made it a Democratic boogeyman while almost never relinquishing "expansions" of administrative authority while they are in office.) 

Case in point: the case revolves a rule in question that was finalized during the Trump administration.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2024, 10:55:45 AM »
Imo, a government with Chevron is no more or less autocratic than one without it. 

It just doesn't need to be this political. Chevron was a survival mechanism for courts to acknowledge that in the highly technical realm of administrative regulation, the benefit of expertise will most often lie with the administrative agencies developing regulations as a means to implement the law.  The administrative apparatus is an extension of the executive branch, and should theoretically be in the Republican mold as much as the Democratic. (Footnote - it is, but Republicans have so thoroughly won the messaging war that they have made it a Democratic boogeyman while almost never relinquishing "expansions" of administrative authority while they are in office.)

Yep.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2024, 10:58:05 AM »
Imo, a government with Chevron is no more or less autocratic than one without it. 

I'm not talking about Chevron. I'm talking about today's immunity ruling.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2024, 11:26:13 AM »
In the 10 days or so, the Federalist Society Supreme Court has decided:
- the president is literally above the law
- bribery is legal unless the bribe is hella big
- being homeless is a crime
- government agencies have no agency

But they're just calling balls and strikes.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2024, 11:36:05 AM »
In the 10 days or so, the Federalist Society Supreme Court has decided:
- the president is literally above the law
- bribery is legal unless the bribe is hella big
- being homeless is a crime
- government agencies have no agency

But they're just calling balls and strikes.

None is surprising - especially not the second one, given the bribes that 2 of the justices have been taking for years.

But yes, an interesting stretch of jurisprudence for our democratic republic.
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2024, 12:20:27 PM »
I'm not talking about Chevron. I'm talking about today's immunity ruling.

Ahh sorry about that, makes more sense.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2024, 12:47:25 PM »
Am I missing some rage I should be feeling? The immunity is only for "official acts".  That doesn't seem much different that what we've always assumed.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2024, 12:51:18 PM »
Am I missing some rage I should be feeling? The immunity is only for "official acts".  That doesn't seem much different that what we've always assumed.

I think that depends on who gets to define "official act"

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2024, 12:53:35 PM »
I think that depends on who gets to define "official act"

I'm pretty sure we're going to have to ask the founding fathers what they meant by this.  #circularreference

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2024, 12:53:57 PM »
Huh. Who could have ever predicted that Douchey would plagiarize, mislead and elevate the thoughts of a clueless dope, all in one bold stroke?

Me.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2024, 01:02:33 PM »
Am I missing some rage I should be feeling? The immunity is only for "official acts".  That doesn't seem much different that what we've always assumed.

Except the majority is basically saying that almost anything a president does while in office can be construed as an "official act," including a crime.

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2024, 01:20:05 PM »
Except the majority is basically saying that almost anything a president does while in office can be construed as an "official act," including a crime.

Yep. The current president apparently could have the previous president executed and get away with it as an "official act."
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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2024, 02:14:42 PM »
Yep. The current president apparently could have the previous president executed and get away with it as an "official act."

Saw an amusing quote. You can’t forgive student debt but you could drone strike the headquarters of the buildings of the servicing companies

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Re: End of Chevron doctrine
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2024, 02:15:05 PM »
Yep. The current president apparently could have the previous president executed and get away with it as an "official act."
When you put I this way, it doesn’t sound that bad

 

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