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The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 03, 2024, 01:15:02 PM
So essentially you think 60 million Americans are racists?  Or that every member of Trump's past cabinet is a racist? 

Where did he say or imply anything of the sort?

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 03, 2024, 01:15:02 PM
Has Joe Biden ever said anything racist? 

LOL...what?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 03, 2024, 01:15:02 PM
So essentially you think 60 million Americans are racists?  Or that every member of Trump's past cabinet is a racist?  Has Joe Biden ever said anything racist?

I mean, I literally just wrote the opposite, but you do you.

And yeah, Biden has said racist things. But I don't think he is a racist or will install racists in positions of authority. Trump already has proven otherwise.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 03, 2024, 01:15:02 PM
So essentially you think 60 million Americans are racists?  Or that every member of Trump's past cabinet is a racist?  Has Joe Biden ever said anything racist?

Speaking in absolutes, such as claiming all Trump supporters are racist, is of course foolish. There are other reasons people support him, including the ultra-wealthy that want their tax cuts and religious extremists that think he was sent by god.

But, for a very large number of his supporters, the racism, both overt and coded, is very much a selling point in his favor. People in that camp very much understand his dog whistles; see David Duke's comments as an example.

Is Trump a racist? In one sense it almost doesn't matter. As others have said, he is transactional and will do and say anything if it gives him an advantage, and he knows he needs the racists to come out and vote for him.

And they will. Are all Trump supporters racist? Again, no, but which side do the Nazis ("very fine people"), KKK members, antisemites, confederate sympathizers, and racists of other stripes all support overwhelmingly? They've heard his dog whistles, they've seen who he puts in positions of power, they know which party they relate to.

As the saying goes, if you look around and realize that you are on the same side as the literal Nazis, it's time to rethink your position.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 03, 2024, 01:05:13 PM
I can't even tell you the last time I voted on Election Day.
India requires one to vote in person except for certain limited circumstances, like military personnel outside of their jurisdction during the full election. It would stop people from arguing the election is rigged  (at least I would hope).

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 02:24:38 PM
India requires one to vote in person except for certain limited circumstances, like military personnel outside of their jurisdction during the full election. It would stop people from arguing the election is rigged  (at least I would hope).

You are far too intelligent to believe that
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Yes. Let's inconvenience a bunch of our population because a group of wierdos think something is rigged despite all evidence to the contrary.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 03, 2024, 02:31:06 PM
Yes. Let's inconvenience a bunch of our population because a group of wierdos think something is rigged despite all evidence to the contrary.
Sorry voting in person is an "inconvenience" to you.Taking 30 minutes out of your day

tower912

Thanks.  Voted last two elections via mail.  A constitutional right in Michigan.  Enshrined in 2018 by a vote of the people.  Viva democracy!
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 02:34:16 PM
Sorry voting in person is an "inconvenience" to you.Taking 30 minutes out of your day

It's easier to do it by mail. Why not do so when there is no evidence to suggest there are problems?

But also, I don't have mobility issues, transportation problems, or a work / home schedule that makes it difficult to vote in person.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 02:34:16 PM
Sorry voting in person is an "inconvenience" to you.Taking 30 minutes out of your day

Thanks.  I'm glad it's an option for a wide variety of people who actually can't take 30 minutes out of their day.

Personally, I believe it ought to be a national holiday where people get the day off, no questions asked.
Guster is for Lovers

tower912

Election day 2020, I had been infected with COVID the day before and was not yet sick.  Eternally grateful that I had sent in my ballot 5 weeks prior and did unknowingly give it to a crowd.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

lawdog77

I am talking if in person elections lasted a month. Work /home schedules shouldnt be a factor.There would be very few lines. If you have a disability,that would be an exception

The Sultan

Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 02:51:32 PM
I am talking if in person elections lasted a month. Work /home schedules shouldnt be a factor.There would be very few lines. If you have a disability,that would be an exception


Or just vote by mail. Problem solved.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 02:51:32 PM
I am talking if in person elections lasted a month. Work /home schedules shouldnt be a factor.There would be very few lines. If you have a disability,that would be an exception

I believe most states have early in-person voting, so in some ways the election does last a month.

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on June 03, 2024, 03:00:41 PM
I believe most states have early in-person voting, so in some ways the election does last a month.
It's nowehere near uniform. Some states need a legitimate reason,.

This is just part 1 of my 5 point plan

Point 2 is that candidate TV ads have to solely discuss their own platform. No mentioning or inferring another candidates plan.

tower912

I am good with that.   The weakness in that plan is that it does nothing to stop the other ads not officially sanctioned by the candidate.  The super PACs, the corporations (they are people, you know), the dark money, etc.   Because, of course, they would never DREAM of coordinating with a campaign.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 03:09:22 PM
It's nowehere near uniform. Some states need a legitimate reason,.


As of Februrary 2024, 47 states and the District of Columbia permitted no-excuse early voting in some form.

https://ballotpedia.org/Early_voting

tower912

So, he isn't wrong.  3 states need a 'legitimate' reason.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on June 03, 2024, 01:07:35 PM
No, but it means they're willing to accept racists and antisemites in positions of power.
Because, make no mistake, those are the people Trump will surround himself with if elected.

Yep.

I happen to think he's antisemitic based on his numerous antisemitic comments and close relationships with very proud antisemites. He already gives antisemites significant cover, and he'll do it even more in a second term as long as they kiss his ass. But if folks want to say, "He's not an antisemite; he's simply happy to accept and solicit support from Jew-haters and to make antisemitic remarks," I get that they can talk themselves into that distinction.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pakuni

Quote from: tower912 on June 03, 2024, 03:19:32 PM
So, he isn't wrong.  3 states need a 'legitimate' reason.

I wrote "most states" allow early voting. He responded that it's "nowhere near uniform."
I would say that 47 out of 50 qualifies as "most" and is pretty uniform. The only notable difference, best as I can tell, is the length of the early voting period.

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on June 03, 2024, 03:38:26 PM
I wrote "most states" allow early voting. He responded that it's "nowhere near uniform."
I would say that 47 out of 50 qualifies as "most" and is pretty uniform. The only notable difference, best as I can tell, is the length of the early voting period.
Huge difference in the length of time
State   
Early in-person voting begins   
Early in-person voting ends   More Information

Alabama

Alabama does not have early voting.

N/A

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Alaska

Varies by location, but 15 days before Election Day in most locations.

Varies by location, but many early voting locations remain open through Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Arizona

27 days before Election Day.

The Friday before the election, but some counties may offer emergency early voting through the day before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Arkansas

15 days before Election Day for the preferential primary and general election; 7 days before Election Day for all other elections

The Monday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

California

29 days before Election Day. Varies by county. Voters should contact their county elections office to see if they offer early voting.

The day before Election Day. Varies by county. Voters should contact their county elections office to see if they offer early voting.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Colorado

Colorado has all mail voting, but in-person voting centers are open beginning 15 days before Election Day (may vary by county).

Colorado has all mail voting, but in-person voting centers are open through Election Day (may vary by county).

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Connecticut

For the general election, 15 days before Election Day

Two days before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Delaware

At least 10 days before Election Day.

The Sunday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

District of Columbia

Varies as the period is set by the Board of Elections, but not more than 12 days before Election Day.

Varies as the period is set by the Board of Elections.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Florida

At least 10 days before Election Day. Varies by county. Voters should contact their county elections office to determine if more early voting dates are available.

Early voting cannot end prior to the 3rd day before Election Day. Exact dates vary by county. Voters should contact their county elections office to determine exact early voting dates.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Georgia

The fourth Monday before Election Day.

The Friday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Hawaii

Hawaii has transitioned to all mail-in voting starting 2020, but voters may turn in ballots, register to vote, and vote in person at a Voter Service Center in their county starting 10 days before Election Day.

Hawaii has transitioned to all mail-in voting starting 2020, but voters may turn in ballots, register to vote, and vote in person at a Voter Service Center in their county starting 10 days before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Idaho

Not all counties allow early voting. For those that do, early voting begins the third Monday before Election Day. Voters should contact their county elections office for additional information.

Not all counties allow early voting. For those that do, early voting ends at 5:00 p.m. on the Friday before Election Day. Voters should contact their county elections office for additional information.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Illinois

40 days before Election Day.

1 day before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Indiana

28 days before Election Day.

The day before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Iowa

20 days before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

The day before Election Day unless the polls open at noon. If the polls open at noon, you may early vote (absentee in-person) at the county auditor's office from 8am to 11am on Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Kansas

Up to 20 days before Election Day but no later than one week before election day. Varies by county. Voters should contact their county elections office for additional information.

Up to the day before Election Day. Varies by county. Voters should contact their county elections office for additional information.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Kentucky

5 days before Election Day.

The Saturday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Louisiana

14 days before Election Day (but 18 days before Election Day for the presidential election). When one or more state holidays fall within an early voting period, the first day for early voting will begin 15 days prior to the election.

7 days before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Maine

30 days before Election Day (in-person absentee).

3 business days before Election Day (in-person absentee).



Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Maryland

The second Thursday before Election Day.

The Thursday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Massachusetts

Early voting beings the 17th day before Election Day for the General Election.

The fourth business day before Election Day for the General Election.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Michigan

Begins by the second Saturday prior to Election Day.

Sunday before Election Day

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Minnesota

46 days before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

The day before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Mississippi

45 days before Election Day for eligible absentee voters

3 days before Election Day at 12 p.m. for eligible absentee voters

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Missouri

Missouri offers in-person no-excuse absentee voting at locations designated by local county election authorities starting the second Tuesday before Election Day. A qualifying photo ID is required to vote by no-excuse absentee ballot in person.

The day before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Montana

30 days before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

Noon on the day before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Nebraska

30 days before Election Day.

1 day before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Nevada

17 days before Election Day.

4 days before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

New Hampshire

N/A. New Hampshire does not offer in-person early or no-excuse absentee voting.

N/A

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

New Jersey

10 days before the General Election

2 days before the General Election

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

New Mexico

28 days before Election Day.

The Saturday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

New York

10 days before Election Day.

2 days before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

North Carolina

Not earlier than the third Thursday before Election Day.

The Saturday before Election Day

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

North Dakota

At least 15 days before Election Day. Varies by county. Voters should contact their county elections office for additional information.

The day before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Ohio

29 days before Election Day (the day after voter registration closes), but will be altered if this date or the voter registration deadline falls on a Sunday or holiday.

5 p.m. on the Sunday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Oklahoma

For primary elections, Thursday before Election Day. For general elections, Wednesday before Election Day.

2pm the Saturday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Oregon

N/A. Oregon has all mail-in ballots.

N/A

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Pennsylvania

Varies by county. Pennsylvania does not offer early voting, but counties may make absentee and mail-in ballot applications available to voters in person up to 50 days before Election Day.

Absentee and mail-in ballots may be dropped off in county offices until 8pm on Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Rhode Island

20 days before Election Day.

The day before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

South Carolina

15 days before Election Day.

The Saturday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

South Dakota

46 days before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

The day before Election Day at 5:00PM (in-person absentee voting).

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Tennessee

20 days before Election Day.

5 days before Election Day, except for a Presidential Preference Primary, when it ends 7 days before the election.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Texas

Begins 17 days before Election Day (unless the 17th day is a national holiday or weekend; then, voting begins on the next business day)

Ends 4 days before Election Day

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Utah

14 days before Election Day.

4 days before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Vermont

45 days before Election Day.

The day before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Virginia

45 days before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

3 days before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Washington

18 days before Election Day

The day before Election Day

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

West Virginia

13 days before Election Day.

3 days before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Wisconsin

No earlier than 14 days before Election Day.

No later than the Sunday before Election Day.

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.

Wyoming

45 days before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

The day before Election Day (in-person absentee voting).

Contact your Local Election Office to learn more about early voting in your area.


MU82

Sounds like each of us needs to contact his or her Local Election Office.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

lawdog77

Quote from: MU82 on June 03, 2024, 03:58:56 PM
Sounds like each of us needs to contact his or her Local Election Office.
yep.National elections should be standardized

Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 04:01:35 PM
yep.National elections should be standardized

But the Constitution says ...

Hards Alumni


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