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The Sultan

Quote from: Goose on June 04, 2024, 02:58:13 PM
82

With the long list of convicted criminals associated with DJT, I am sure you are expecting a Biden landslide. It would almost not be believable if Biden took the L in November. It must be nice to be a D and just waiting to see how big the landslide is going to be.


Oh it won't be a landslide. A lot of people who claim they care about ethical behavior and issues like crime, don't really care all that much about ethical behavior and issues like crime.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 04, 2024, 03:02:56 PM

Oh it won't be a landslide. A lot of people who claim they care about ethical behavior and issues like crime, don't really care all that much about ethical behavior and issues like crime.

Heck, one Scooper who claimed he'd never support antisemites does just that over and over again.

Law and order party ... personal responsibility party ... family values party. Pretty funny stuff.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

I assumed 2020 would be a landslide.  12 million or so.   Only 7 million was a surprise and a disappointment to me.   So I will not predict a landslide in 2024.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: tower912 on June 04, 2024, 12:44:29 PM
Fox $787 million for lying.
Alex Jones $1.5 billion for lying.
Epoch times dude, fraudster.
Steve Bannon, proven liar.
Rudy Giuliani, proven liar.
The liar in chief, multiple civil lawsuit losses, tax fraud, felony convictions for, wait for it, lying.


Huh.

Wait, so they're NOT the party of Law & Order?
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Goose

82

You might be right on Trump. That said, don't you believe there is a better candidate than Joe Biden? I am floored that D's are not doing everything in their power to land a better option. My guess, D's don't care about having a strong POTUS for years as long they win. That is a big problem in our country and on both sides of the aisle.

IMO, the D's do dump Joe and bring in a better option. Time will tell.

tower912

Can the Rs do better than Trump?

I believe that if Trump had gone away quietly, Biden would have been a one-term president.   Since Trump ran it back, Biden felt obligated to stop him again.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Goose

tower

I said both sides of the aisle have a responsibility to serve us better.

jesmu84

Quote from: Goose on June 04, 2024, 05:00:08 PM
82

You might be right on Trump. That said, don't you believe there is a better candidate than Joe Biden? I am floored that D's are not doing everything in their power to land a better option. My guess, D's don't care about having a strong POTUS for years as long they win. That is a big problem in our country and on both sides of the aisle.

IMO, the D's do dump Joe and bring in a better option. Time will tell.

It's too late in the process to bring in someone else.

That said, who do you think the Ds should nominate?

jesmu84

Quote from: MU82 on June 04, 2024, 03:06:25 PM
Law and order party ... personal responsibility party ... family values party. Pretty funny stuff.

To be fair - trump or congressional Rs or state Rs do pass or try to pass policy that represents law and order or personal responsibility or family values.

That's what some/most of their voters care about - policy that supports those positions.

Whether the individual legislators/office holders represent those positions in their own lives doesn't really matter.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 04, 2024, 05:29:12 PM
To be fair - trump or congressional Rs or state Rs do pass or try to pass policy that represents law and order or personal responsibility or family values.

That's what some/most of their voters care about - policy that supports those positions.

Whether the individual legislators/office holders represent those positions in their own lives doesn't really matter.

Do they?
Guster is for Lovers

Goose

jesmu

I have multiple bets that a sleeper candidate comes in for the D's. While I am a R, the D's know how to play the game at a different level. If they keep Biden they deserve to lose.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Goose on June 04, 2024, 05:45:42 PM
jesmu

I have multiple bets that a sleeper candidate comes in for the D's. While I am a R, the D's know how to play the game at a different level. If they keep Biden they deserve to lose.

Don't R's deserve to lose for keeping Trump?
Guster is for Lovers

jesmu84

Quote from: Goose on June 04, 2024, 05:45:42 PM
jesmu

I have multiple bets that a sleeper candidate comes in for the D's. While I am a R, the D's know how to play the game at a different level. If they keep Biden they deserve to lose.

Okay.

Who do you think?

Goose

Rico

This will be the third time, the R's owe the party to have better candidates. If Trump loses, the R's are frickin idiots for allowing Trump to run the party.


Pakuni

#1114
Quote from: Goose on June 04, 2024, 05:59:59 PM
Rico

This will be the third time, the R's owe the party to have better candidates. If Trump loses, the R's are frickin idiots for allowing Trump to run the party.

They're frickin' idiots either way.
The Trumpification of the GOP has turned many longtime, traditional Republicans or Republican-leaners away from the party. They've been backfilled to an extent by MAGA people who previously were not involved in the political process, didn't identify with either party and, to an extent, non-college educated whites who (not for nothing) have been turned off by the more extreme edges of the left.

But once Trump is gone, will those people stick around and support MAGA candidates not named Trump? The failure of Trump-backed candidates in contested federal races in 2022 (Oz, Herschel, Blake Masters) seems to suggest otherwise.
I think these voters by and large don't care about conservative ideas or Republican policies. (They're anti-NATO and pro-Russia, for pete's sake). They care about Trump. And when Trump and his devotees are gone, what's left of the GOP?

MuggsyB

There are multiple Scoopers on both sides of the aisle that would make better candidates than Biden or Trump.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 04, 2024, 06:29:41 PM
There are multiple Scoopers on both sides of the aisle that would make better candidates than Biden or Trump.

Strong disagree. Everyone here makes me stupider and I wasn't that smart to begin with (the best school I got into was Marquette).

MuggsyB

Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 04, 2024, 06:43:03 PM
Strong disagree. Everyone here makes me stupider and I wasn't that smart to begin with (the best school I got into was Marquette).

Lol.  These people are abysmal. 

tower912

Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 04, 2024, 06:43:03 PM
Strong disagree. Everyone here makes me stupider and I wasn't that smart to begin with (the best school I got into was Marquette).
Hah.  I was accepted by Michigan and ND.  I chose MU.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Pakuni

Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 04, 2024, 06:43:03 PM
Strong disagree. Everyone here makes me stupider and I wasn't that smart to begin with (the best school I got into was Marquette).

Marquette was the best school any of us got into.
I will tolerate no dissent.

MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on June 04, 2024, 06:48:34 PM
Hah.  I was accepted by Michigan and ND.  I chose MU.

Issac Newton would have chosen Marquette if he had that option. 

MU82

Quote from: Goose on June 04, 2024, 05:59:59 PM
Rico

This will be the third time, the R's owe the party to have better candidates. If Trump loses, the R's are frickin idiots for allowing Trump to run the party.

Even if Convicted J. Felon wins, the R's are frickin idiots for allowing him to ruin the party of Reagan.

I disagree with your premise that the D's but not the R's look only at the transactional nature of this. They both "only want to win."

And the R's are so desperate to do so that they've sold their soul to a guy who goes against almost everything the party stood for and built for decades.

The D's are standing behind a guy who has represented their party, and its beliefs, for the last quarter-century. It might be dopey to stand behind him for this election, but he doesn't change the very essence of the party.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Goose

82

Are the D's idiots for carting out Biden again?

4everwarriors

Quote from: tower912 on June 04, 2024, 06:48:34 PM
Hah.  I was accepted by Michigan and ND.  I chose MU.



Yeah, best fire fightin' school in da Midwest accordin' ta U.S. News, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

rocket surgeon

Quote from: MU82 on June 04, 2024, 07:03:40 PM
Even if Convicted J. Felon wins, the R's are frickin idiots for allowing him to ruin the party of Reagan.

I disagree with your premise that the D's but not the R's look only at the transactional nature of this. They both "only want to win."

And the R's are so desperate to do so that they've sold their soul to a guy who goes against almost everything the party stood for and built for decades.

The D's are standing behind a guy who has represented their party, and its beliefs, for the last quarter-century. It might be dopey to stand behind him for this election, but he doesn't change the very essence of the party.

what was he convicted of?  what felony?
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

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