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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1025 on: April 16, 2024, 04:16:51 PM »
Why does the MU NIL site sell Ben Gold tshirts if he can't take a cut of the sales?

Because it's passive. He isn't doing any labor to earn his NIL.

He can't do ads for a car dealer, but can earn money off his image in a video game for instance.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1026 on: April 16, 2024, 04:18:32 PM »
Right. And if for some reason he found himself again needing to fill more spots - let's say Kam did decide to turn pro this year and Chase got a whopper of an NIL offer to go home and play at TCU - he'd likely dive in pretty hard again rather than head into next season with a depleted roster.
Which is fine. I don't believe Shaka is as portal-averse as some here are trying to paint him.
To his credit he's been able to retain key players. And the lack of transfer activity is mostly a function of that, not some philosophical rigidity.

Fair.

But don’t you think his focus on retention and development can also qualify as a “philosophical rigidity”? 

That doesn’t mean it’s a negative or that he would never pivot from it if a similar scenario that you described came to pass.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1027 on: April 16, 2024, 04:23:13 PM »
Because it's passive. He isn't doing any labor to earn his NIL.

He can't do ads for a car dealer, but can earn money off his image in a video game for instance.

Got it.  Interesting.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1028 on: April 16, 2024, 04:28:05 PM »
Got it.  Interesting.

But he can't promote the existence of the shirt because it becomes active.

https://businessofcollegesports.com/name-image-likeness/how-can-international-athletes-get-nil-deals-heres-how-to-do-it-safely/

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1029 on: April 16, 2024, 04:44:28 PM »

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1030 on: April 16, 2024, 05:06:22 PM »
Fair.

But don’t you think his focus on retention and development can also qualify as a “philosophical rigidity”? 

That doesn’t mean it’s a negative or that he would never pivot from it if a similar scenario that you described came to pass.

Definitely his philosophy.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1031 on: April 16, 2024, 05:09:19 PM »
Goodman says he expects several big names to enter the portal shortly once they get their final NIL checks.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1032 on: April 16, 2024, 05:20:51 PM »
Right. And if for some reason he found himself again needing to fill more spots - let's say Kam did decide to turn pro this year and Chase got a whopper of an NIL offer to go home and play at TCU - he'd likely dive in pretty hard again rather than head into next season with a depleted roster.
Which is fine. I don't believe Shaka is as portal-averse as some here are trying to paint him.
To his credit he's been able to retain key players. And the lack of transfer activity is mostly a function of that, not some philosophical rigidity.

But none of that transferring out has happened in 4 seasons. That's the point.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1033 on: April 16, 2024, 05:24:19 PM »
BS....

Kansas led the NCAA in NIL paid out in 2023 with a number around 4.2 million. That is 323k per scholarship player, with Dickensen making the most at an amount under 750k.

Indiana is not paying 3 players 3 million dollars.

Especially when one of them is an international student from Mali who can't receive NIL payments in the United States, for work in the US, well on his student Visa.

That's the number Trilly Donovan listed. I trust him more than anyone in CBB at this point.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1034 on: April 16, 2024, 05:37:22 PM »
But none of that transferring out has happened in 4 seasons. That's the point.

Do you believe Marquette has had zero transfers out in the last four seasons?

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« Reply #1035 on: April 16, 2024, 05:50:26 PM »
Do you believe Marquette has had zero transfers out in the last four seasons?

He did say rotational players in his original post.  I think that's fair to say
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1036 on: April 16, 2024, 05:53:07 PM »
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1037 on: April 16, 2024, 05:53:18 PM »
Do you believe Marquette has had zero transfers out in the last four seasons?

Greg Elliott was the one that was essentially forced out.

All others were non rotational pieces. Rare air.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1038 on: April 16, 2024, 06:00:39 PM »
Greg Elliott was the one that was essentially forced out.

All others were non rotational pieces. Rare air.

Elliott wasn't forced out.
If your stance here is that Shaka hasn't lost key players to the portal, we agree.
If your stance here is that Shaka is alone in zagging while 350 other programs furiously zig, we disagree.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1039 on: April 16, 2024, 06:19:01 PM »
Elliott wasn't forced out.
If your stance here is that Shaka hasn't lost key players to the portal, we agree.
If your stance here is that Shaka is alone in zagging while 350 other programs furiously zig, we disagree.

My point is that Shaka is one of, if not the only, coach finding consistent success inside the Top 25 each season that doesn't lose rotational pieces to the portal and/or add major transfers to their rotation from the portal either.

There is more than one way to succeed, but this is ours and not many if any are doing it this way. It's awesome.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1040 on: April 16, 2024, 06:23:21 PM »
That's the number Trilly Donovan listed. I trust him more than anyone in CBB at this point.

Slater (aka “trilly’s) discord is made up by a majority of Indiana fans.

I’m sure that’s what IU boosters are saying.

I actually am inclined to believe the ballo number more than I believe that the guards would get 800k a piece.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1041 on: April 16, 2024, 06:33:38 PM »
My point is that Shaka is one of, if not the only, coach finding consistent success inside the Top 25 each season that doesn't lose rotational pieces to the portal and/or add major transfers to their rotation from the portal either.

And again, you might want to look at what Purdue has done the past few years.
I'm not disagreeing that Shaka is an outlier. He's just not the only one.


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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1042 on: April 16, 2024, 06:51:31 PM »
Elliott wasn't forced out.
If your stance here is that Shaka hasn't lost key players to the portal, we agree.
If your stance here is that Shaka is alone in zagging while 350 other programs furiously zig, we disagree.

The issue is how he built the team, versus how he's being credited for building the team.

Here's the reality:

- Inherited 5 quality players (Lewis, Oso, Elliott, Stevie & Kam) who accounted for 252 combined starts over Shaka's first three seasons.
- Took 5 transfers (Morsell, Kuath, Prosper, Kolek, & Wrightsil) who accounted for 223 combined starts.
- Recruited 10 players as HS frosh (Ellis, Itejere, Joplin, Jones, Ross, Gold, Norman, Amadou, Lowery, Hamilton) who combined for 49 starts.

Shaka had the luxury of zagging given that before he coached his first game, he had 10 players that would account for nearly 90% of the next three years starting lineups.  He didn't recruit the portal because he didn't need to recruit the portal. 

But 43% of the starts over the last three years were by players that came to MU via the portal, and 4 of the 5 transfers were players who based on performance and reputation pre-MU would probably command NIL packages if they transferred now.



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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1043 on: April 16, 2024, 07:00:43 PM »
The issue is how he built the team, versus how he's being credited for building the team.

Here's the reality:

- Inherited 5 quality players (Lewis, Oso, Elliott, Stevie & Kam) who accounted for 252 combined starts over Shaka's first three seasons.
- Took 5 transfers (Morsell, Kuath, Prosper, Kolek, & Wrightsil) who accounted for 223 combined starts.
- Recruited 10 players as HS frosh (Ellis, Itejere, Joplin, Jones, Ross, Gold, Norman, Amadou, Lowery, Hamilton) who combined for 49 starts.

Shaka had the luxury of zagging given that before he coached his first game, he had 10 players that would account for nearly 90% of the next three years starting lineups.  He didn't recruit the portal because he didn't need to recruit the portal. 

But 43% of the starts over the last three years were by players that came to MU via the portal, and 4 of the 5 transfers were players who based on performance and reputation pre-MU would probably command NIL packages if they transferred now.

Interesting observations.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1044 on: April 16, 2024, 07:14:53 PM »
And again, you might want to look at what Purdue has done the past few years.
I'm not disagreeing that Shaka is an outlier. He's just not the only one.

Purdue had a transfer in their starting lineup this year.

Lance Jones.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1045 on: April 16, 2024, 07:26:24 PM »
Right. And if for some reason he found himself again needing to fill more spots - let's say Kam did decide to turn pro this year and Chase got a whopper of an NIL offer to go home and play at TCU - he'd likely dive in pretty hard again rather than head into next season with a depleted roster.
Which is fine. I don't believe Shaka is as portal-averse as some here are trying to paint him.
To his credit he's been able to retain key players. And the lack of transfer activity is mostly a function of that, not some philosophical rigidity.
In support  of your points above:
Year Zero Shaka brought in four key transfers

Year One Shaka Kicked tires on a lot of portal candidates,  Only signed one  . Had one MU transfer out. One MU Player went early to NBA

Year Two Shaka had some interest in various portal candidates there were no takers. One MU player went early to NBA Two Transferred Out

Year 3 Two going early to NBA.  Rest of team staying so far .  Haven't heard  of any situations where there is a mutual portal interest yet. Doesn't mean one won't occur.

MU Alumni and Supporters don't have the NIL dollars necessary to buy talent, so Shaka building from within is a solid strategy. Shaka marketing the internal build versus buys as  theme to attract high school talent.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1046 on: April 16, 2024, 07:27:26 PM »
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1047 on: April 16, 2024, 07:34:26 PM »
Not sure if this has been discussed here or anywhere else but would MU have any interest in Tyrese Hunter?

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1048 on: April 16, 2024, 07:39:20 PM »
Not sure if this has been discussed here or anywhere else but would MU have any interest in Tyrese Hunter?

I doubt it.
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« Reply #1049 on: April 16, 2024, 07:47:05 PM »
Purdue had a transfer in their starting lineup this year.

Lance Jones.

Huge addition.  They also had a  2 time NPOY. 

 

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