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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1000 on: April 16, 2024, 02:48:06 PM »
There will be a documentary done one day on Marquette and Shaka's NIL Retention success.

Is there anyone else that does it remotely like him? I mean truly...can't think of one coach or place.

Some may not like the style, but I love it. Special stuff.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1001 on: April 16, 2024, 02:48:28 PM »
He's quickly becoming my favorite transfer target, too. A good player on a good team with some untapped potential. 10 ppg in only 19 mpg.

Very solid advanced metrics.  High usage, good efficiency and he maintains both against top 100/50.

He also gets to the rim a ton.  58.1% of his FGA and he shot 57.7% at the rim.

Full offensive breakdown from T Rank:


https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2024&p=Derin%20Saran&t=UC%20Irvine


And looks to be at least a solid defender.  DBPM +1.8 with a 2.9% steal rate.

Really good looking prospect.  Would be very pleased if Shaka lands him.

Totally agree.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1002 on: April 16, 2024, 02:49:49 PM »
There will be a documentary done one day on Marquette and Shaka's NIL Retention success.

Is there anyone else that does it remotely like him? I mean truly...can't think of one coach or place.

Some may not like the style, but I love it. Special stuff.

May want to hold off on grand pronouncements for a couple of years.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1003 on: April 16, 2024, 02:56:05 PM »
May want to hold off on grand pronouncements for a couple of years.

Why? Is there anyone else doing it quite like him in the NIL era?
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1004 on: April 16, 2024, 02:58:18 PM »
Why? Is there anyone else doing it quite like him in the NIL era?

to be clear, what exactly do you think Shaka is doing that no one else is?

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1005 on: April 16, 2024, 03:00:58 PM »
to be clear, what exactly do you think Shaka is doing that no one else is?

Finding repeated success (Top 25 and NCAA Tournament annually) while

A) retaining every rotational player
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B) not taking on any transfers of "substance"
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1006 on: April 16, 2024, 03:01:20 PM »
Why? Is there anyone else doing it quite like him in the NIL era?

The NIL era is like two years old.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1007 on: April 16, 2024, 03:07:13 PM »
The NIL era is like two years old.

And 2+ years in there is no one that shares his same strategy having that success.

You can argue whether you agree it is the right strategy or best strategy, but the results have been strong.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1008 on: April 16, 2024, 03:09:47 PM »
And 2+ years in there is no one that shares his same strategy having that success.

You can argue whether you agree it is the right strategy or best strategy, but the results have been strong.

My point is that you need more than a couple of years to determine how successful it really is.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1009 on: April 16, 2024, 03:12:42 PM »
My point is that you need more than a couple of years to determine how successful it really is.

Maybe. I think we all know the portal will likely come into play again if the rules don't change, but this will be his 4th season with the NIL in play.

He has lost 0 rotational pieces in that time.

Aside from Kolek, Oso, OMax, and Justin to the NBA...and then Greg to Pittsburgh in a mutual parting of ways.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1010 on: April 16, 2024, 03:16:44 PM »
Finding repeated success (Top 25 and NCAA Tournament annually) while

A) retaining every rotational player
AND
B) not taking on any transfers of "substance"

One might argue that Kolek, OMax and Morsell were transfers of "substance."
I think you may be trying to build a narrative that doesn't yet exist based on what occurred in one offseason. Shaka dove headfirst into the portal in year one, skipped it in year two, and appears to be at least dipping in a toe this year. Seems like more than anything he's going to be flexible, using the portal when and as needed, sitting it out when not. And credit to him for not losing key players.

As for who else is doing this, Purdue comes to mind. Painter has added just one transfer the past three seasons.
Michigan State hasn't added any transfers the past two seasons while losing only a couple of bench players to the portal.





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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1011 on: April 16, 2024, 03:17:30 PM »
And 2+ years in there is no one that shares his same strategy having that success.

Matt Painter would like a word ...

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1012 on: April 16, 2024, 03:18:25 PM »
There will be a documentary done one day on Marquette and Shaka's NIL Retention success.

Is there anyone else that does it remotely like him? I mean truly...can't think of one coach or place.

Some may not like the style, but I love it. Special stuff.
special stuff? Not trying to be contrarian, but Marquette isn’t exactly challenging for natty’s, and don’t anticipate ‘24/25 to be the year.
Maybe you could elaborate.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1013 on: April 16, 2024, 03:28:51 PM »
special stuff? Not trying to be contrarian, but Marquette isn’t exactly challenging for natty’s, and don’t anticipate ‘24/25 to be the year.
Maybe you could elaborate.

They were a title contender the last two years
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1014 on: April 16, 2024, 03:34:33 PM »
special stuff? Not trying to be contrarian, but Marquette isn’t exactly challenging for natty’s, and don’t anticipate ‘24/25 to be the year.
Maybe you could elaborate.

+100.

Documentary?  I don't see a 30 for 30 coming anytime soon.  Golden makes it sound like Shaka's taken MU to Final Fours the last three years, but forgetting having their butt kicked as a #2 seed two years in a row. Shaka is truly a great personality who relishes his players and we'll see how his culture thing works out in next few years.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1015 on: April 16, 2024, 03:36:22 PM »
One might argue that Kolek, OMax and Morsell were transfers of "substance."
I think you may be trying to build a narrative that doesn't yet exist based on what occurred in one offseason. Shaka dove headfirst into the portal in year one, skipped it in year two, and appears to be at least dipping in a toe this year. Seems like more than anything he's going to be flexible, using the portal when and as needed, sitting it out when not. And credit to him for not losing key players.

As for who else is doing this, Purdue comes to mind. Painter has added just one transfer the past three seasons.
Michigan State hasn't added any transfers the past two seasons while losing only a couple of bench players to the portal.

The difference with Kolek, Omax, and Morsell was they were Shaka's 1st year where had to fill more spots. 

I agree that it's too small of a simple size to make a final determination regarding Shaka and the portal but he's a pretty clear outlier along the Michigan State at this point. 

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1016 on: April 16, 2024, 03:36:50 PM »
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1017 on: April 16, 2024, 03:39:57 PM »
I look forward to IU sucking again.

Freaking insane. 

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1018 on: April 16, 2024, 03:45:26 PM »
The difference with Kolek, Omax, and Morsell was they were Shaka's 1st year where had to fill more spots. 

Right. And if for some reason he found himself again needing to fill more spots - let's say Kam did decide to turn pro this year and Chase got a whopper of an NIL offer to go home and play at TCU - he'd likely dive in pretty hard again rather than head into next season with a depleted roster.
Which is fine. I don't believe Shaka is as portal-averse as some here are trying to paint him.
To his credit he's been able to retain key players. And the lack of transfer activity is mostly a function of that, not some philosophical rigidity.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1019 on: April 16, 2024, 04:03:04 PM »
Rice
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Carlyle

Set to make $3M combined next year at Indiana. Outragous!

BS....

Kansas led the NCAA in NIL paid out in 2023 with a number around 4.2 million. That is 323k per scholarship player, with Dickensen making the most at an amount under 750k.

Indiana is not paying 3 players 3 million dollars.

Especially when one of them is an international student from Mali who can't receive NIL payments in the United States, for work in the US, well on his student Visa.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1020 on: April 16, 2024, 04:07:12 PM »
There seem to be a number of ways to work around the international NIL restrictions these days.
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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1021 on: April 16, 2024, 04:09:17 PM »
There seem to be a number of ways to work around the international NIL restrictions these days.

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Re: 2024 Transfer Portal
« Reply #1022 on: April 16, 2024, 04:10:59 PM »
There seem to be a number of ways to work around the international NIL restrictions these days.

Its called taking photo's in a different country. It is very feasible, but it restricts guys from the quick in tournament Tax website ads.

Like Zach Edey can't take an additional deal in the middle of the tournament.

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« Reply #1023 on: April 16, 2024, 04:12:26 PM »
Its called taking photo's in a different country. It is very feasible, but it restricts guys from the quick in tournament Tax website ads.

Like Zach Edey can't take an additional deal in the middle of the tournament.

Why does the MU NIL site sell Ben Gold tshirts if he can't take a cut of the sales?
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« Reply #1024 on: April 16, 2024, 04:16:17 PM »
Why does the MU NIL site sell Ben Gold tshirts if he can't take a cut of the sales?

My guess is its likely through a 3rd party so Ben Gold did "no work". And its classified as passive.