MU BE Expectations

[FairWeatherEagle]

I liked that NonConf Grade Poll...hope we have another at the end of the regular season....but curious the Scoop expectations before be get started.

If you want to get specific who you think gives us trouble, Hit the comments

I say UConn and Creighton away will be tough. Everyone else we beat wherever whenever. I love it that our first game is big away. Providence

[warriorfred]

I would like this thread to "exceed expectations," so I am immediately ticking all the boxes:

- Wojo
- Crean
- Indiana
- Freeway
- Mbakwe
- Price of beer at Fiserv
- Buzz
- Bracketology

[CountryRoads]

I liked that NonConf Grade Poll...hope we have another at the end of the regular season....but curious the Scoop expectations before be get started.

If you want to get specific who you think gives us trouble, Hit the comments

I say UConn and Creighton away will be tough. Everyone else we beat wherever whenever. I love it that our first game is big away. Providence

Think it'll be a different animal on the road for MU this year with regards to facing hostile crowds. Expectations are to repeat as champs but we may get upset more than we'd like on the road.

[RushmoreAcademy]

It's Indiana!

I would like this thread to "exceed expectations," so I am immediately ticking all the boxes:

- Wojo
- Crean
- Indiana
- Freeway
- Mbakwe
- Price of beer at Fiserv
- Buzz
- Bracketology

[BLWarrior91]

The last time I saw Freeway he said "How about Horace Grant and the Chicago Bulls?" 

I thought that was a more interesting conversation starter than the cliched Michael Jordan talk.

[FairWeatherEagle]

BE winner history for some context:
22-23 MU 17-3
21-22 PV 17-3 14-3
20-21 VN 11-4
19-20 CR/VN/SH 13-5
18-19 VN 13-5
17-18 X 15-3
16-17 VN 15-3
15-16 VN 16-2
14-15 VN 16-2
13-14 VN 16-2

[brewcity77]

BE winner history for some context:
22-23 MU 17-3
21-22 PV 17-3 14-3
20-21 VN 11-4
19-20 CR/VN/SH 13-5
18-19 VN 13-5
17-18 X 15-3
16-17 VN 15-3
15-16 VN 16-2
14-15 VN 16-2
13-14 VN 16-2

FIFY

2023 Marquette and 2012 Syracuse are the only Big East teams to win 17 games in a season, though Syracuse's ended up vacated.

[FairWeatherEagle]

FIFY

2023 Marquette and 2012 Syracuse are the only Big East teams to win 17 games in a season, though Syracuse's ended up vacated.

Sorry, typo, corrected

[Carl]

Your 5 loss "disappointing" season is good enough for a share of the title in 7 of those 10 years.

[Mu8891]

I think MU goes 16 - 4 ... or 15 - 5

No better.   They have way too many chinks in the armor.  Jop is not playing well ... and certainly not replacing OMAX..

They have two guys shooting about
.10 % from 3 ...

And they are gonna get every teams best shot

[FairWeatherEagle]

Your 5 loss "disappointing" season is good enough for a share of the title in 7 of those 10 years.

Certainly the verbiage on the choices is my commentary and don't expect people to agree with that necessarily. Really just trying to poll the number.

Believe me for this year 5-7 losses in the BE will disappoint me.

As for the 7 out of 10 thing, not sure the math you're using. 5 losses would make a 15-5 record and 750 winning pct which appears to be less than most of those winning teams in the last 10 years...but I could  be missing something.

[FairWeatherEagle]

And they are gonna get every teams best shot

This is a good point. I remember those years of hunting Villanova to get that quality win. Could turn a game against us.

[Daniel]

The Big East will indeed be a BEast this year.   Like was said, everyone is gub I g for us, no surprises with the KolekIsa duo, and we need overall better shooting.   I think every game can be a challenge as we saw with St Thomas who was hitting record shots while we were not.   Need to play our A game most of the time.

[wisblue]

Pomeroy says 15-5, which by the terms of this poll says "Expect to be disappointed".

With the nonconference base to work on, 15-5 should be good for about a 3 seed in the NCAA and should  be in contention for the conference title unless UConn dominates.

It's worth noting that the 2018 Villanova team that won the NCAA torurnament was 14-4 in the Big East and last year's UConn team was 13-7. So, a "disappointing" conference season does not preclude postseason success.

MU last year went 12-0 against the 6 conference teams that were not in contention for the title and did not make the NCAA tournament. That is going to be very difficult to repeat.

[mug644]

The Big East will indeed be a BEast this year.   Like was said, everyone is gub I g for us, no surprises with the KolekIsa duo, and we need overall better shooting.   I think every game can be a challenge as we saw with St Thomas who was hitting record shots while we were not.   Need to play our A game most of the time.

Thanks for reminding me of this: https://youtu.be/4VdMdboymT8?feature=shared

[Milkshakes]

The Big East will indeed be a BEast this year. 

Really?  This is a pretty soft year.  UConn excepted. Sure winning on the road will still be tough everywhere and at Villanova and at Creighton very, very tough. However, overall I'd say it is less of a Beast than in a fairly long time. 

[tower912]

There is a pretty clear stratification.

MU, UCONN, Creighton
Villanova
X, SHU, SJU, Providence, Butler



DePaul, Georgetown

[Milkshakes]

There is a pretty clear stratification.

MU, UCONN, Creighton
Villanova
X, SHU, SJU, Providence, Butler



DePaul, Georgetown

Maybe I am overthinking it but I think Creighton is a step behind MU and UConn:

MU, UCONN
Creighton
Villanova
X, SHU, SJU, Providence, Butler



DePaul, Georgetown

[barfolomew]

Really?  This is a pretty soft year.  UConn excepted. Sure winning on the road will still be tough everywhere and at Villanova and at Creighton very, very tough. However, overall I'd say it is less of a Beast than in a fairly long time.

For context, here are kenpom rankings going into BE play last season compared to this year's kenpom rankings:
(Many thanks to dedicated Scoop poster and neck enthusiast Herman Cain)

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2022
New Old
1   1   UConn   
30   32   Marquette   
38   40   Xavier   
47   49   Butler   
48   47   Creighton   
70   71   St. John's
84   84   Seton Hall   
101   100   Providence   
107   111   Villanova   
156   157   DePaul   
250   245   Georgetown

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2023
New  Old
5   6   UConn   
7   8   Marquette   
11   9   Creighton   
42   46   Villanova   
51   55   Butler   
63   67   St. John's
67   68   Xavier   
69   58   Providence   
113   112   Seton Hall   
203   237   Georgetown   
274   266   DePaul

So, on the whole, actually better this year.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Woof, that 4th place Butler team ended up being SO bad though.

[brewcity77]

For context, here are kenpom rankings going into BE play last season compared to this year's kenpom rankings:
(Many thanks to dedicated Scoop poster and neck enthusiast Herman Cain)

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2022
New Old
1   1   UConn   
30   32   Marquette   
38   40   Xavier   
47   49   Butler   
48   47   Creighton   
70   71   St. John's
84   84   Seton Hall   
101   100   Providence   
107   111   Villanova   
156   157   DePaul   
250   245   Georgetown

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2023
New  Old
5   6   UConn   
7   8   Marquette   
11   9   Creighton   
42   46   Villanova   
51   55   Butler   
63   67   St. John's
67   68   Xavier   
69   58   Providence   
113   112   Seton Hall   
203   237   Georgetown   
274   266   DePaul

So, on the whole, actually better this year.

One note, those are NET numbers, not kenpom. Butler was 70 in kenpom last year going into Big East play, 58 this year.

[barfolomew]

One note, those are NET numbers, not kenpom. Butler was 70 in kenpom last year going into Big East play, 58 this year.

Thanks brew, correct.
I originally wnated to compare kenpom numbers pre-BE but could find last years' (for free, anyways ).

[Goose]

I am sticking with my 15-5. Like everyone else, I hope they are playing their basketball late in the season.

[Daniel]

Thanks for reminding me of this: https://youtu.be/4VdMdboymT8?feature=shared

LOL. My typo has me roaring now because of you!  Ty!

[FairWeatherEagle]

Thanks for the replies on this Poll. I think we all have high expectations and perhaps mine are too high. Maybe an injury free, consistently high level is too much to expect from kids. There's reason to think it's possible.  Great game to start with tonight!