Backlash Coming

[Heisenberg]

I have never downplayed what happened last week and you know that.

And lol on the sultan reference. Your desperation is amusing.

Cultural appropriation

[Skatastrophy]

Cultural appropriation

Now you're just saying words

[Heisenberg]

One of the interesting things I read in this thread is the application of American cultural values to the rest of the world. We do have a distinct culture, no doubt, but it's questionable that it works in most of the rest of the world.

The premise among many is that the Palestinians are reacting to Israeli apartied that excludes them from the fullness of life inside what is now Israel. Because the Israelis are, essentially, bigots, the Palestinians' response is reasonable and justified.

We assume using our Americanness that all the Middle East needs is a good dose of Ameircan pluralism and all will be OK. The rest of the world doesn't work that way. It just doesn't.

The Middle East has been a tribal intersection for so many different peoples over time that there's bound to be fighting. Each of these tribes wants the Holy Land (aka, greater Israel) as its tribal homeland. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Romans, Turks, Persians and only God knows how many other tribes have fought over it. Read your Bible and you'll see the battles between the Israelites and just about every invading horde known to ancient times. Even Jesus' Crucifixition illustrated some of the tensions between confliucting tribes (Romans and Jews).

That's why the whole notion that the Palestinians are angry because they've been excluded from full citizenship in Israel is sheer nonsense. It's also why the notion of a comprehensive Middle East peace between Palestinian and Jew will never happen. Hamas and Hezbollah will never be happy until the last Jew has been killed and they're in control of what is now Israel. Nor will their masters in Iran!

This is 100% correct, and I'll add

The conceit that most of the pro-Palestinian crowd here has (Galway, Hards. 21jump, Jockey, Brew, etc) starts with the assumption that everyone thinks like them. They think everyone wants the same things they do.

They do not.

Palestinians want one thing: the slaughter and elimination of all Jews.


Senior Hamas official Ali Baraka gave an interview yesterday and laid it all out yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzZsms0LJWQ

Transcript of what he said (my emphasis)

"In the past couple of years, Hamas has adopted a 'rational' approach. It did not go into any war, and did not join the Islamic Jihad in its recent battle," Ali Baraka said in an interview that ran on Russia Today and was translated by Memri. "We made them think that Hamas was busy with governing Gaza, and that it wanted to focus on the 2.5 million Palestinians there, and has abandoned the resistance altogether. All the while, under the table, Hamas was preparing for this big attack."

There you have it. They pretended to give a sh!t about the Palestinians in Gaza. But in reality, their own leadership does not.

They only care about one thing ... killing Jews.

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The Palestinians have a different value system, so different that intellectuals in the West cannot understand it.  What Palestinians want is for their children to achieve martyrdom. They want their children to die. More importantly, they want them to be martyrs at the hands of the Israelis.

So they put their weapons in the basement of hospitals. They hide their rockets in schools and want the Israelis to kill their children.

They want this so the Galway, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty, etc, can then blame Israel for the death of Palestinian children. And man, does this board show how many have bought into this!

The leadership of Hamas banks on the idea that 21Jump, Hards, Jockey, etc, are incapable of understanding why Palestinians would do this (because it goes against their values), so they will conclude it must be wrong. And if it is wrong, Israel has to be at fault.

This is why Gaza and the West Bank are apartheid states. The Palestinians are so evil no one wants them. By no one, I mean the other Arab states.

Jordan took the Palestinians in the 1960s, leading to Black September in 1970 when the PLO and Arafat took over. And when they did, they ruined everything. Because, again, Palestinian leadership does not care about their children or the betterment of their populations. They only care about killing Jews.

Why do you think the Iranians, the Egyptians (who border Gaza), the Saudis, and the other rich oil states in the Arab World will not take their "brothers" from Palestinians as refugees?  Because they know the Palestinians are evil and want nothing to do with them.

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I understand many of you will find this harsh. That is largely because you cannot comprehend the evil of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestinian leadership knows Western supporters will not comprehend, so they can repeatedly say this.

You will not believe them, but you will attack me for telling you what they say, believing what they say, and not running it through a "what Westerns want" filter to distort into some moral equivalence.

In the last week, I have never seen so much anti-Semitism, so much excusing evil. Much of it is on the board affiliated with a Jesuit University.


So yes, the Israelis will exercise their right to defend themselves, and it will not be pretty to look at. And the fault for what happens next is 100% on Hamas. And when Palestinian parents run their Children into the Israeli bullets, your anti-sematic complaints will fall on deaf ears.

It was true 50 years ago and is more true than ever today.

"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."
-- Golda Mier

[Uncle Rico]

This is 100% correct, and I'll add

The conceit that most of the pro-Palestinian crowd here has (Galway, Hards. 21jump, Jockey, Brew, etc) starts with the assumption that everyone thinks like them. They think everyone wants the same things they do.

They do not.

Palestinians want one thing: the slaughter and elimination of all Jews.


Senior Hamas official Ali Baraka gave an interview yesterday and laid it all out yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzZsms0LJWQ

Transcript of what he said (my emphasis)

"In the past couple of years, Hamas has adopted a 'rational' approach. It did not go into any war, and did not join the Islamic Jihad in its recent battle," Ali Baraka said in an interview that ran on Russia Today and was translated by Memri. "We made them think that Hamas was busy with governing Gaza, and that it wanted to focus on the 2.5 million Palestinians there, and has abandoned the resistance altogether. All the while, under the table, Hamas was preparing for this big attack."

There you have it. They pretended to give a sh!t about the Palestinians in Gaza. But in reality, their own leadership does not.

They only care about one thing ... killing Jews.

----

The Palestinians have a different value system, so different that intellectuals in the West cannot understand it.  What Palestinians want is for their children to achieve martyrdom. They want their children to die. More importantly, they want them to be martyrs at the hands of the Israelis.

So they put their weapons in the basement of hospitals. They hide their rockets in schools and want the Israelis to kill their children.

They want this so the Galway, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty, etc, can then blame Israel for the death of Palestinian children. And man, does this board show how many have bought into this!

The leadership of Hamas banks on the idea that 21Jump, Hards, Jockey, etc, are incapable of understanding why Palestinians would do this (because it goes against their values), so they will conclude it must be wrong. And if it is wrong, Israel has to be at fault.

This is why Gaza and the West Bank are apartheid states. The Palestinians are so evil no one wants them. By no one, I mean the other Arab states.

Jordan took the Palestinians in the 1960s, leading to Black September in 1970 when the PLO and Arafat took over. And when they did, they ruined everything. Because, again, Palestinian leadership does not care about their children or the betterment of their populations. They only care about killing Jews.

Why do you think the Iranians, the Egyptians (who border Gaza), the Saudis, and the other rich oil states in the Arab World will not take their "brothers" from Palestinians as refugees?  Because they know the Palestinians are evil and want nothing to do with them.

----

I understand many of you will find this harsh. That is largely because you cannot comprehend the evil of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestinian leadership knows Western supporters will not comprehend, so they can repeatedly say this.

You will not believe them, but you will attack me for telling you what they say, believing what they say, and not running it through a "what Westerns want" filter to distort into some moral equivalence.

In the last week, I have never seen so much anti-Semitism, so much excusing evil. Much of it is on the board affiliated with a Jesuit University.


So yes, the Israelis will exercise their right to defend themselves, and it will not be pretty to look at. And the fault for what happens next is 100% on Hamas. And when Palestinian parents run their Children into the Israeli bullets, your anti-sematic complaints will fall on deaf ears.

It was true 50 years ago and is more true than ever today.

"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."
-- Golda Mier

Can you find a quote from someone here saying Hamas isn't evil?  Thanks in advance

[The Sultan]

Serious man calls people antisemites while simultaneously composing another long screed full of lazy stereotypes.

At this point, it's merely parody.

[Heisenberg]

Can you find a quote from someone here saying Hamas isn't evil?  Thanks in advance

You may be better off leaving this thread to go over the AL and talk about tomorrow's open practice.

[Heisenberg]

Serious man calls people antisemites while simultaneously composing another long screed full of lazy stereotypes.

At this point, it's merely parody.

So says the guy with an Arab handle

[Uncle Rico]

You may be better off leaving this thread to go over the AL and talk about tomorrow's open practice.

I'll take that as a no.

[The Sultan]

So says the guy with an Arab handle

Yes.  And?

I'll take that as a no.

Yeah, he's been challenged on this point multiple times since he started this topic and hasn't been able to do it.

[Heisenberg]

I'll take that as a no.

I gave you a quote from a leader of Hamas yesterday that says he does not care about his people.

But, hey, I understand it is very hard for you to comprehend some people do not think like you.

[The Sultan]

I gave you a quote from a leader of Hamas yesterday that says he does not care about his people.

But, hey, I understand it is very hard for you to comprehend some people do not think like you.

That's not what he asked for.

[lawdog77]

This is 100% correct, and I'll add

The conceit that most of the pro-Palestinian crowd here has (Galway, Hards. 21jump, Jockey, Brew, etc) starts with the assumption that everyone thinks like them. They think everyone wants the same things they do.

They do not.

Palestinians want one thing: the slaughter and elimination of all Jews.

Ban this guy. This is such a horesh!t statement.

[Heisenberg]

That's not what he asked for.

Since you know what he wants, you do it.

[Heisenberg]

Ban this guy. This is such a horesh!t statement.

explain why?

[Uncle Rico]

Yes.  And?

Yeah, he's been challenged on this point multiple times since he started this topic and hasn't been able to do it.

If anyone here isn't calling Hamas evil, they're wrong and should be called out.  I just haven't seen it.

I also agree that if your pro-Hamas and advertise that and angry that possible employers won't hire you, tough sh(i)t. 

I also think this is worth reading

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

[Heisenberg]

Ban this guy. This is such a horesh!t statement.

This is exactly what I was referring to

Law can comprehend things that go against his values. So, therefore, they are not true.

But Law needs someone to blame. So, he blames the victim of the slaughter.

[Uncle Rico]

I gave you a quote from a leader of Hamas yesterday that says he does not care about his people.

But, hey, I understand it is very hard for you to comprehend some people do not think like you.

You're calling people posting here anti-semites because they are pro-Palestinian and think they support Hamas based on your recent rant.  Please show me the posts supporting Hamas

[Heisenberg]

If anyone here isn't calling Hamas evil, they're wrong and should be called out.  I just haven't seen it.

I also agree that if your pro-Hamas and advertise that and angry that possible employers won't hire you, tough sh(i)t. 

I also think this is worth reading

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

Very good!

But go to the next part ... those that equate a moral equivalence are wrong.

[The Sultan]

Since you know what he wants, you do it.

That's weak even for you.

[lawdog77]

This is exactly what I was referring to

Law can comprehend things that go against his values. So, therefore, they are not true.

But Law needs someone to blame. So, he blames the victim of the slaughter.

I try not to make personal attacks on people, so I'll leave that alone.  I know plenty of Palestinians who want nothing more than peace, and a place they can call home, with running water, fresh air, and not having cancer causing chemicals in everything around them. Who do they blame? They blame the leaders of both sides. The Palestinian citizen is a pawn in this.

Here's an interesting poll:
https://www.usip.org/blog/2023/01/how-do-israeli-and-palestinian-youth-view-prospects-peace

[Skatastrophy]

Guess who supports Hamas?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

[Uncle Rico]

Very good!

But go to the next part ... those that equate a moral equivalence are wrong.

They're not anti-semites for pointing out a sovereign state has made mistakes in how they've handled things.  They're not anti-semites for not wanting to send American troops to another war.  They're not anti-semites for pointing out the colossal failure of Israel security services this past weekend

[SoCalEagle]

We have the presumptive GOP presidential candidate and party leader praising terrorists as "smart people" and victim-blaming the Israelis.
A Republican U.S. Senator is saying we shouldn't pick sides.
The most popular media figure on the right is questioning America's support for Israel.
All of which you remain silent on.
But Bernie Sanders saying, "Maybe let's not kill innocent civilians" is something you find offensive?
Character revealed.

Instead of pulling us together, the Republican infrastructure is trying to pull us apart. 

Hmmmmm......

[Heisenberg]

I try not to make personal attacks on people, so I'll leave that alone.  I know plenty of Palestinians who want nothing more than peace, and a place they can call home, with running water, fresh air, and not having cancer causing chemicals in everything around them. Who do they blame? They blame the leaders of both sides. The Palestinian citizen is a pawn in this.

Here's an interesting poll:
https://www.usip.org/blog/2023/01/how-do-israeli-and-palestinian-youth-view-prospects-peace

You write this and then say it is not a personal attack?

Then what exactly is a personal attack???

Ban this guy. This is such a horesh!t statement.

[Heisenberg]

They're not anti-semites for pointing out a sovereign state has made mistakes in how they've handled things.  They're not anti-semites for not wanting to send American troops to another war.  They're not anti-semites for pointing out the colossal failure of Israel security services this past weekend

Everyone makes mistakes.

It is about the Israeli's intentions versus Hamas's intentions.