Backlash Coming

[Jockey]

Perhaps they still have hope for you two.

They'll probably regret it 

[lawdog77]

Or, they hold smarter people to higher standards.

You mean like the rule pinned to the top of no politics?




We'd all be gone

[tower912]

True dat.

[Pakuni]

You mean like the rule pinned to the top of no politics?




We'd all be gone

Scoop revenues would plummet without us.

[lawdog77]

Scoop revenues would plummet without us.

I've already stopped paying my dues here and transferred that to the Marquette NIL

[Hards Alumni]

You ever notice that Sultan and Hards have no problem with Roqqet constantly mentioning Biden, but they clutch pearls whenever 82 (or I) mentions trump?

I constantly crap on rocket and 4elder.  Like, its half of my posting behavior.  Quit being such a victim and be better instead.  You're not them so stop drifting that way.

[The Sultan]

I constantly crap on rocket and 4elder.  Like, its half of my posting behavior.  Quit being such a victim and be better instead.  You're not them so stop drifting that way.

Yep.

[4everwarriors]

Yeah, we always thought you were full of chit. Thanks for owning it, aina?

[brewcity77]

I read the first bit of this, admit I didn't read the whole thread. Going on social media, it feels like there is no middle on this. You either have to be pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. What Hamas did and continues to do is horrific. But what Israel has done since its founding is also horrific. And I strongly suspect whatever reaction Israel as a nation has to what was inflicted on their innocent civilians will be equally horrific to the innocent Palestinians.

Hamas is unquestionably in the wrong, just like Israel holding Palestine as an apartheid state is wrong. I don't see any way this works out without a true two-state solution, Israel standing down from Gaza forever, and Hamas being booted out of Palestine. But does any or all of that ever happen? Feels increasingly unlikely that we'll just get an equally ugly reaction from Israel to these already ugly events perpetrated by Hamas.

[JWags85]

In 1969 the PLO proposed a binational state that would welcome all the historical religions claiming the area because of the above. Israel rejected the proposal, because they wanted to have a Jewish homeland that controlled Jerusalem.

Hold on, regardless of the current situation, you expected Israel  (less than 3 years after defending from all of the nearby Arab world in the 6 Day War) to accept a proposal from a militant terrorist organization who didn't recognize Israel or its right to exist?  Whose leader himself was leading armed raids into Israel targeting civilians?

This wasn't a proposal from the pragmatic Arafat PLO of the 90s.  The PLO of the 60s and 70s was Hamas Lite.  Hell, in 1988 the proposed a 2 state solution...that still allowed them to fight till "the end of The Zionist Entity"

[muwarrior69]

Thank goodness we have a president who can hit all the right notes in a powerful speech to support of our close allies. Meanwhile, your lord and master immediately turned the situation into something about himself (shocking!) and about the "rigged" 2020 election (double shocking!). Talk about an international embarrassment.

But yes, we agree that Blinken is a good secretary of state, working hard to support both Israel and Ukraine. He didn't even need two hands to hold his cup of water.

How could he do otherwise. Who could support those who behead babies and he also made it about himself telling us as a young Senator meeting with Golda Meir quoting her that Israel's greatest strength is that we have no where else to go.

Biden will be the good cop having Israel's back while he lets the squad and Bernie paint the Palestinians as victims to Israeli hegemony, that way the Democrats won't lose any voters.

[The Sultan]

How could he do otherwise. Who could support those who behead babies and he also made it about himself telling us as a young Senator meeting with Golda Meir quoting her that Israel's greatest strength is that we have no where else to go.

Biden will be the good cop having Israel's back while he lets the squad and Bernie paint the Palestinians as victims to Israeli hegemony, that way the Democrats won't lose any voters.

Y'all are really grasping at straws lately.

[Pakuni]

Biden will be the good cop having Israel's back while he lets the squad and Bernie paint the Palestinians as victims to Israeli hegemony, that way the Democrats won't lose any voters.

We have the presumptive GOP presidential candidate and party leader praising terrorists as "smart people" and victim-blaming the Israelis.
A Republican U.S. Senator is saying we shouldn't pick sides.
The most popular media figure on the right is questioning America's support for Israel.
All of which you remain silent on.
But Bernie Sanders saying, "Maybe let's not kill innocent civilians" is something you find offensive?
Character revealed.

[JWags85]

How could he do otherwise. Who could support those who behead babies and he also made it about himself telling us as a young Senator meeting with Golda Meir quoting her that Israel's greatest strength is that we have no where else to go.

Biden will be the good cop having Israel's back while he lets the squad and Bernie paint the Palestinians as victims to Israeli hegemony, that way the Democrats won't lose any voters.

Or...he was relating personal experience that added depth to his perspective and feelings on the conflict?  You don't have to like but a first person interaction/conversation with a legendary Israeli leader is far more relevant a perspective on this situation than 90% of people commentating.  Nothing about that even remotely read self serving

As for the squad doing what they do, it's lunacy to think either party is fully in lock step.  It's not like they posed legislation.  I wouldn't expect a GOP politician I respect to publicly comment on something MTG stupidly tweeted.  Biden has more important things to do and comment on right now, which he is doing well.  Besides, if someone agrees with what Tlaib or Omar is saying about Israel, Biden saying "no, we should support Israel" isn't gonna change their mind.

[Uncle Rico]

Or...he was relating personal experience that added depth to his perspective and feelings on the conflict?  You don't have to like but a first person interaction/conversation with a legendary Israeli leader is far more relevant a perspective on this situation than 90% of people commentating.  Nothing about that even remotely read self serving

As for the squad doing what they do, it's lunacy to think either party is fully in lock step.  It's not like they posed legislation.  I wouldn't expect a GOP politician I respect to publicly comment on something MTG stupidly tweeted.  Biden has more important things to do and comment on right now, which he is doing well.  Besides, if someone agrees with what Tlaib or Omar is saying about Israel, Biden saying "no, we should support Israel" isn't gonna change their mind.

Oh, I dunno.  Give it time.  I'm willing to bet Biden saying support Israel is going to lead to some questioning that support

[Hards Alumni]

How could he do otherwise. Who could support those who behead babies and he also made it about himself telling us as a young Senator meeting with Golda Meir quoting her that Israel's greatest strength is that we have no where else to go.

Biden will be the good cop having Israel's back while he lets the squad and Bernie paint the Palestinians as victims to Israeli hegemony, that way the Democrats won't lose any voters.

I see you've got your talking points.

It's okay to suggest that no more civilians get killed if possible.  Heck, that'd even be pretty Christian of you.

The repeated line of "this is an existential crisis for Israel" is such a crock.  Israel will continue to exist for as long as they have the arsenal of weapons they possess but don't officially possess (wink wink).  The only existential crisis is that of Bibi and his cadre of right wing oppressive extremists.  And the world would be better off without them in power.

[forgetful]

Hold on, regardless of the current situation, you expected Israel  (less than 3 years after defending from all of the nearby Arab world in the 6 Day War) to accept a proposal from a militant terrorist organization who didn't recognize Israel or its right to exist?  Whose leader himself was leading armed raids into Israel targeting civilians?

This wasn't a proposal from the pragmatic Arafat PLO of the 90s.  The PLO of the 60s and 70s was Hamas Lite.  Hell, in 1988 the proposed a 2 state solution...that still allowed them to fight till "the end of The Zionist Entity"

The post was in part a counter to people who were saying that since 1948, the Palestinians refused any solutions that didn't result in the expulsion of all Jews from Israel. It was an example of times where they were willing to compromise.

It was also motivated by Heisy posting about the leader of Israel at the time, who said that there wouldn't be peace because of the Palestinians, when meanwhile that same leader refused both the PLO offer, and the Rodger's plan.

Frankly I wouldn't have expected a solution then, and I don't expect a solution now, because the people making decisions tend closer to the religious fundamentalist side, where anything besides them getting 100% of what they want is a no deal. That's why there has never been as solution, and there continues to be violence.

[Uncle Rico]

I see you've got your talking points.

It's okay to suggest that no more civilians get killed if possible.  Heck, that'd even be pretty Christian of you.

The repeated line of "this is an existential crisis for Israel" is such a crock.  Israel will continue to exist for as long as they have the arsenal of weapons they possess but don't officially possess (wink wink).  The only existential crisis is that of Bibi and his cadre of right wing oppressive extremists.  And the world would be better off without them in power.

There will not be criticism of Netanyahu in the immediate future because a whole lot of Americans like his ideas with regards to governance.  That's part of the "blame Biden" crowd willfully ignore.  No way Bibi could be partly at fault for something happening to Israel under his watch.  Whole lot of narratives out that window placing any blame on, you know, the leader of Israel

[Hards Alumni]

There will not be criticism of Netanyahu in the immediate future because a whole lot of Americans like his ideas with regards to governance.  That's part of the "blame Biden" crowd willfully ignore.  No way Bibi could be partly at fault for something happening to Israel under his watch.  Whole lot of narratives out that window placing any blame on, you know, the leader of Israel

Something like 4 out of 5 Israeli citizens blame him.

[Uncle Rico]

Something like 4 out of 5 Israeli citizens blame him.

I meant from the blame Biden crowd

[Skatastrophy]

Something like 4 out of 5 Israeli citizens blame him.

I hope that holds in the next election, kick Likud out. They keep electing far right nationalists in Israel. I don't get why people are attracted to that sort of person/party. They're inherently fearful and weak so they come out with chest-thumping to appear strong, really strange that people fall for it.

[Uncle Rico]

I hope that holds in the next election, kick Likud out. They keep electing far right nationalists in Israel. I don't get why people are attracted to that sort of person/party. They're inherently fearful and weak so they come out with chest-thumping to appear strong, really strange that people fall for it.

Are there a lot of boomers in Israel?

[The Sultan]

Are there a lot of boomers in Israel?

Yes...and dentists.

[Hards Alumni]

Are there a lot of boomers in Israel?

Not particularly.

[4everwarriors]

Why don't y'all antisemites stand up, say it loud, and be counted. Don't hide behind some bullchit rhetoric and think you're outsmarting the rest of us. Not hard to read between the lines here, aina?