Backlash Coming

[Uncle Rico]

Sadly, no.

I dunno, given his track record of predicting things, it could be true this time

[Heisenberg]

Two things:

1) that has nothing to do with "demonizing others and being tolerant of other world views"  you literally just became the intolerant of other people's world views person you were claiming me to be by saying 'it's ok for me to demonize you because it's not what I agree with!'. You are not the beacon you claim to be and have repeatedly shown it.

2) the very fact that you've taken the following and said that I haven't denounced Hamas shows that you default to emotion not logic.


Man you're right I really have been hating on "the Jews" in all my comments. Certainly never denounced the heinous actions of a terrorist group. Saying "yeah you can't provoke someone and then act like you didn't see it coming" is totally the same as me being a Jew hater. You again have proven to be the beacon of logic, and deciding who warrants demonizing and tolerating a world view (as long as it jives with your logic).

You are a parody of a person at this point.

Then support what Isreal is about to do. Support Isreal has the right to defend itself against this existential threat.

[Heisenberg]

I've been very clear you ignoramus.  I don't support Hamas or Israel's slaughter of innocent people.  And they both do it.  Whether it is direct gunfire, starvation, denial of medical supplies, beheading, buildings bombed and collapsed.  The death of innocent people on one side of this 'war' seem to matter a lot more than the other.

If you can't read exactly what I'm saying and are willing to make very strange threats maybe it's time to put the computer down for the night.

Actually you have not. You offered a moral equivalance, a justification.

[Hards Alumni]

Actually you have not. You offered a moral equivalance, a justification.

It is well established that you either can't read or you just make up whatever you want to fit your narrative.  Please point out where I have been unclear.

Until you can do that, shut the hell up, trashbag.

[rocket surgeon]

My brother, who lives outside of Tel Aviv, has heard the shells falling and has two friends who are among the missing, made a Facebook post today thanking President Biden for his strong words, his support and his empathy.

Also, headline in Wall Street Journal: Israelis Praise Biden's Speech, Question Netanyahu's Response

  tony blinken stood next to bibi this morning and both gave a very powerful and a concise show of unity that everyone needed to hear.  they didn't even have to show him which way to exit the stage.  such a better representation of us.  hamas/isis/taliban etc have no place in civilized societies.  ANY country that harbors and supports them needs to be dealt with on a world level and eliminated.  they are criminals of the worst kind.  my fears are they have already infiltrated our borders and innocent people here will be subjected to their evils

[Heisenberg]

It is well established that you either can't read or you just make up whatever you want to fit your narrative.  Please point out where I have been unclear.

Until you can do that, shut the hell up, trashbag.

Right here

These are anti-semite, anti-zonist talking points.

Your making a justification for the slaughter of innocent Jews because they are Jews.

You called it obscene to call what Hamas did a first strike. Do you understand what you said here?

If you do not understand how vile these comments are, stick to basketball on the AL.

Patently false.  Israel has been ethnically cleansing Gaza and the West Bank for decades.  Calling Hamas' attack a 'first strike' is obscene and entirely without historical context.

[Hards Alumni]

Right here

These are anti-semite, anti-zonist talking points.

Your making a justification for the slaughter of innocent Jews because they are Jews.

You called in obscene to call what Hamas did a first strike. Do you understand what you said here?

If you do not understand how vile these comments are, stick to basketball on the AL.

They're not antisemitic talking points.  I'm not justifying any slaughter of innocent Jewish people.  I've said Hamas' attack is disgusting.  Your emotions frequently get in the way of your comprehension. 

I stated that anyone backed into a corner is going to fight back eventually.  That's called reality.  Look no further than the heroes of the Warsaw ghetto that fought back violently by any means necessary.  These men had nothing but pistols and improvised explosives. 

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw-ghetto-uprising

I have not once condoned any actions by either side.  I've said repeatedly they are BOTH grotesque.  Meanwhile, you can't even admit that the nation of Israel's actions leading up to this are sickening.  And that their actions since the terrorist attacks are gross.  Leveling entire city blocks filled with civilians is despicable.  Targetting ambulances and hospitals should evoke something inside you besides indifference.  But somehow it doesn't. 

Kinda weird, man.

[The Sultan]

Your making a justification for the slaughter of innocent Jews because they are Jews.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Why does our potus have to lie about stupid chit except for the obvious.  He ruins what little cred he has left

Speaking about him saying he saw the pics of beheaded kids...what's next? one of the hamas terrorists is named cornpop and the big guy took him out with his bare hands behind the barn?  Beat him a push up contest?

More embarrassment on the world stage

What, no, "you're right, BLM never said those things, those were just right-wing disinformation posts. How did I swallow such nonsense so easily? Thanks for correcting me, I really need to be less gullible"?

Instead of that, this bizarre spew?

my fears are they have already infiltrated our borders and innocent people here will be subjected to their evils

Job well done, Fox, job well done.

And Heisy once told us propaganda doesn't work.

[Pakuni]

Hyperbolic nonsense.

His keyboard must be soaked from all the frothing.

[Uncle Rico]

https://youtu.be/cWwcA2c361I?si=WVmJ3h53MnIjEQ-1

[MU82]

  tony blinken stood next to bibi this morning and both gave a very powerful and a concise show of unity that everyone needed to hear.  they didn't even have to show him which way to exit the stage.  such a better representation of us.  hamas/isis/taliban etc have no place in civilized societies.  ANY country that harbors and supports them needs to be dealt with on a world level and eliminated.  they are criminals of the worst kind.  my fears are they have already infiltrated our borders and innocent people here will be subjected to their evils

Thank goodness we have a president who can hit all the right notes in a powerful speech to support of our close allies. Meanwhile, your lord and master immediately turned the situation into something about himself (shocking!) and about the "rigged" 2020 election (double shocking!). Talk about an international embarrassment.

But yes, we agree that Blinken is a good secretary of state, working hard to support both Israel and Ukraine. He didn't even need two hands to hold his cup of water.

[dgies9156]

One of the interesting things I read in this thread is the application of American cultural values to the rest of the world. We do have a distinct culture, no doubt, but it's questionable that it works in most of the rest of the world.

The premise among many is that the Palestinians are reacting to Israeli apartied that excludes them from the fullness of life inside what is now Israel. Because the Israelis are, essentially, bigots, the Palestinians' response is reasonable and justified.

We assume using our Americanness that all the Middle East needs is a good dose of Ameircan pluralism and all will be OK. The rest of the world doesn't work that way. It just doesn't.

The Middle East has been a tribal intersection for so many different peoples over time that there's bound to be fighting. Each of these tribes wants the Holy Land (aka, greater Israel) as its tribal homeland. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Romans, Turks, Persians and only God knows how many other tribes have fought over it. Read your Bible and you'll see the battles between the Israelites and just about every invading horde known to ancient times. Even Jesus' Crucifixition illustrated some of the tensions between confliucting tribes (Romans and Jews).

That's why the whole notion that the Palestinians are angry because they've been excluded from full citizenship in Israel is sheer nonsense. It's also why the notion of a comprehensive Middle East peace between Palestinian and Jew will never happen. Hamas and Hezbollah will never be happy until the last Jew has been killed and they're in control of what is now Israel. Nor will their masters in Iran!

[forgetful]

One of the interesting things I read in this thread is the application of American cultural values to the rest of the world. We do have a distinct culture, no doubt, but it's questionable that it works in most of the rest of the world.

The premise among many is that the Palestinians are reacting to Israeli apartied that excludes them from the fullness of life inside what is now Israel. Because the Israelis are, essentially, bigots, the Palestinians' response is reasonable and justified.

We assume using our Americanness that all the Middle East needs is a good dose of Ameircan pluralism and all will be OK. The rest of the world doesn't work that way. It just doesn't.

The Middle East has been a tribal intersection for so many different peoples over time that there's bound to be fighting. Each of these tribes wants the Holy Land (aka, greater Israel) as its tribal homeland. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Romans, Turks, Persians and only God knows how many other tribes have fought over it. Read your Bible and you'll see the battles between the Israelites and just about every invading horde known to ancient times. Even Jesus' Crucifixition illustrated some of the tensions between confliucting tribes (Romans and Jews).

That's why the whole notion that the Palestinians are angry because they've been excluded from full citizenship in Israel is sheer nonsense. It's also why the notion of a comprehensive Middle East peace between Palestinian and Jew will never happen. Hamas and Hezbollah will never be happy until the last Jew has been killed and they're in control of what is now Israel. Nor will their masters in Iran!

In 1969 the PLO proposed a binational state that would welcome all the historical religions claiming the area because of the above. Israel rejected the proposal, because they wanted to have a Jewish homeland that controlled Jerusalem.

[forgetful]

Also, I wonder if Heisy realizes his racist rhetoric sounds more like that of a Hamas terrorist than a sympathetic supporter of Israel, just as absurd, racist and violent...just from the other side.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

One of the interesting things I read in this thread is the application of American cultural values to the rest of the world. We do have a distinct culture, no doubt, but it's questionable that it works in most of the rest of the world.

The premise among many is that the Palestinians are reacting to Israeli apartied that excludes them from the fullness of life inside what is now Israel. Because the Israelis are, essentially, bigots, the Palestinians' response is reasonable and justified.

We assume using our Americanness that all the Middle East needs is a good dose of Ameircan pluralism and all will be OK. The rest of the world doesn't work that way. It just doesn't.

The Middle East has been a tribal intersection for so many different peoples over time that there's bound to be fighting. Each of these tribes wants the Holy Land (aka, greater Israel) as its tribal homeland. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Romans, Turks, Persians and only God knows how many other tribes have fought over it. Read your Bible and you'll see the battles between the Israelites and just about every invading horde known to ancient times. Even Jesus' Crucifixition illustrated some of the tensions between confliucting tribes (Romans and Jews).

That's why the whole notion that the Palestinians are angry because they've been excluded from full citizenship in Israel is sheer nonsense. It's also why the notion of a comprehensive Middle East peace between Palestinian and Jew will never happen. Hamas and Hezbollah will never be happy until the last Jew has been killed and they're in control of what is now Israel. Nor will their masters in Iran!

Sounds like the line from the Ridley Scott movie, Kingdom of Heaven.

Orlando Bloom's character, "What is Jerusalem really worth?"
Saladin: "Nothing."    (pause)     "Everything."

[21Jumpstreet]

Right here

These are anti-semite, anti-zonist talking points.

Your making a justification for the slaughter of innocent Jews because they are Jews.

H2.0 I think this is part of the issue right now. Help me understand how antisemitism is the same as antizionism. Truly. I have always considered them different, connected of course and sometimes difficult to separate, but different.

I have always considered myself a pro Palestine free state lean, a two state person from way far away from the realities of the region. Friends are staunchly one state, only Israel believers. I have not spoken to any Muslim friends who want a one state Palestinian solution, but I'm certain I have some.

I have also considered myself a lover of Jewish people, yeah I guess I don't HAVE to love my family but I do. I am not Jewish by the way. Sure, I'm sure there are Jewish people I've worked with, hired, shared meals with, gone to temple with, celebrated bar and bar mitzvahs with that I would rather not associate with, bit it has ZERO to do with them being Jewish. And to be clear, I can't think of a single instance, but I didn't want to make a blanket statement.

So, how does recognizing the atrocities of one group automatically make me a sympathizer to another? Why does me saying while I have always considered myself a pro Palestine free state automatically make me an anti-Israel free state? I believe both should be free, why does that make me antisemitic? Why can't I mourn for the treatment of Gazans both at the hands of Hamas and Israel and also mourn at the grotesque murder of Israelis/Jews/Others this past weekend?

My wife has taught me something very important, in my opinion. Use the phrase "yes, and" rather than "yes, but." I don't know you or Muggsy personally, I would welcome the opportunity, of course, and I can feel your pain, your anger, your disgust, your passion, your love.

[Galway Eagle]

That's why the whole notion that the Palestinians are angry because they've been excluded from full citizenship in Israel is sheer nonsense. It's also why the notion of a comprehensive Middle East peace between Palestinian and Jew will never happen.

Did you watch the Anthony Bourdain episode where he goes to Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza Strip?

[jesmu84]

1. Palestinians =/= Hamas

2. Y'all, if you haven't realized by now, heisy has no interest - and has never had an interest - in good faith discussion.

[Galway Eagle]

1. Palestinians =/= Hamas

2. Y'all, if you haven't realized by now, heisy has no interest - and has never had an interest - in good faith discussion.

Put him on ignore last night. Feels good. At least I got one last view of his attempts at cancel culture, his virtue signaling of Israel, and his demonizing of other perspectives.

You'd swear he was as liberal as they come checking all those boxes.

[Jockey]

What, no, "you're right, BLM never said those things, those were just right-wing disinformation posts. How did I swallow such nonsense so easily? Thanks for correcting me, I really need to be less gullible"?

You ever notice that Sultan and Hards have no problem with Roqqet constantly mentioning Biden, but they clutch pearls whenever 82 (or I) mentions trump?

[tower912]

Put him on ignore last night. Feels good. At least I got one last view of his attempts at cancel culture, his virtue signaling of Israel, and his demonizing of other perspectives.

You'd swear he was as liberal as they come checking all those boxes.

You won't regret it.

[Pakuni]

You ever notice that Sultan and Hards have no problem with Roqqet constantly mentioning Biden, but they clutch pearls whenever 82 (or I) mentions trump?

Perhaps they still have hope for you two.

[21Jumpstreet]

I wish Scoop got rid of the ignore feature.

[tower912]

Or, they hold smarter people to higher standards.