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SoCalEagle

Look like Ackman shot himself in the foot.

Or, shot his wife in the foot.

Heisenberg

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 05, 2024, 10:03:54 PM

Wow, look, my actions have consequences

Yes, the Harvard Corporation tried to sweep the original allegations under the rug back in October because they hired someone unqualified to lead their university.

As you said, actions have consequences.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on January 05, 2024, 10:29:17 PM
Yes, the Harvard Corporation tried to sweep the original allegations under the rug back in October because they hired someone unqualified to lead their university.

As you said, actions have consequences.

Not for the privileged class.  Bill Ackman's wife will be fine
Guster is for Lovers

Uncle Rico

Quote from: SoCalEagle on January 05, 2024, 10:16:54 PM
Look like Ackman shot himself in the foot.

Or, shot his wife in the foot.

Nah, she's part of the protected class.  Look at scoopers avoiding condemning her. 
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

21Jumpstreet

Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2024, 05:35:06 PM
Not surprising. If one would go through scholarly works with a fine tooth comb, particularly in the arts (I would say less so in the sciences) and letters realms, you will find a lot, maybe even most authors would be guilty of plagiarism. Not because of anything intentional, moreso laziness, and forgetting to write down sources when they are taking notes, and then later forgetting that your notes came from someone else, not yourself.

In the sciences, that is likely less common, because really only introductions/conclusions have a lot of references to other literature sources, and they are usually very highly cited sections. What is rampant in the sciences rather, is citing the wrong reference, again...because of laziness, where the author didn't write down the source at the time of taking notes, and later misremembered which source the data/statements came from.

This could become a people in glass houses situation, where they were so fired up about doing everything they could to remove someone, that they forgot to ask if they really should, and others they don't want gone, might get caught up in the aftermath as collateral damage.

Truth, alluded to this earlier.

forgetful

nm

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

rocket surgeon

so, in summary, the mopes were all against pressure on gay to resign and/or be fired.  sounds like we gots ourselves a slew of DEI racists here

  first off, gay was proven to be an anti-semite and then found to have copied a bunch of others ideas for her dissertations

       attack the attackers and then go all what aboutism on it.  what do the lefties do?

  better call saul, eyn'a?
       
       make the enemy live up to it's own rules
       pick their targets, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it
       keep the pressure on
       ridicule is man's most potent weapon
       never go outside of the expertise of your people
             exhibit 1- heels up
             exhibit 2-all non-biologists.  for those of you in rio linda-can't define female

keep your eyes on the ball boys.  the real problem here is unqualified people in positions of power.  if it was a black female they really wanted, there are so many qualified black females very much qualified to fill the position.  the anger should be directed at the fact that they chose someone like gay to represent  them, because it does not represent them...or does it??? 

  they hire someone who has that 'force field" in front of them-
if you disagree-
   you're a racist
   you're a misogynist
   you're a hater
   you are dumb
   what about... fill in the blank
   attackattackattack-make it personal

umm, but wait...this is about claudine...oh that was so "they all do it' a long time ago. 
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on January 05, 2024, 10:01:35 PM
Here is her defense on the first batch of accusations. She did cite the sources, and she forgot to use quotation marks.
Very long, specific, and highly detailed.
https://x.com/NeriOxman/status/1742993073078947843?s=20

The second batch of allegations was posted four hours ago. I'll await her rebuttal.

---

My point is now that it's a "game on," with a billionaire with the resources to check the entire faculty of MIT, where do you think they will be in a month? How many credible allegations of plagiarism will there be across all of MIT?

And if the standard for plagiarism and dismissal is "forgot quotations but cited the source," who will be left at MIT?

Then Ackman will turn to Harvard. Who knows, by next year, others will join in and they will get to MU.

Where does this stop?


lol. Pretty much what I expected from you.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Lennys Tap

Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2024, 05:35:06 PM
Not surprising. If one would go through scholarly works with a fine tooth comb, particularly in the arts (I would say less so in the sciences) and letters realms, you will find a lot, maybe even most authors would be guilty of plagiarism. Not because of anything intentional, moreso laziness, and forgetting to write down sources when they are taking notes, and then later forgetting that your notes came from someone else, not yourself.


So our most esteemed scholars in the arts are, in your words, typically lazy and forgetful. I'm not surprised.

Pakuni


Pakuni

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2024, 07:16:28 AM
So our most esteemed scholars in the arts are, in your words, typically lazy and forgetful. I'm not surprised.

That's a typically lazy misstating of what forgetful wrote.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2024, 07:26:35 AM
That's a typically lazy misstating of what forgetful wrote.

??? LOL

His own words: in the arts "MOST authors would be guilty of plagiarism, not because of anything intentional, moreso LAZINESS and FORGETTING....."

What exactly did I lazily "misstate".

MU82

Mods: The title of this topic needs to be changed again to reflect the deep concern Scoopers have about plagiarism.

(Unless they happen to like the plagiarist and/or his or her spouse. Then plagiarism no matta.)
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pakuni

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2024, 07:59:57 AM
??? LOL

His own words: in the arts "MOST authors would be guilty of plagiarism, not because of anything intentional, moreso LAZINESS and FORGETTING....."

What exactly did I lazily "misstate".

He didn't write that "our most esteemed scholars in the arts are typically lazy and forgetful." You twisted his words to ... I don't know...  take  cheap shot at scholars in the arts? They may never recover from such a zinger.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2024, 08:09:21 AM
He didn't write that "our most esteemed scholars in the arts are typically lazy and forgetful." You twisted his words to ... I don't know...  take  cheap shot at scholars in the arts? They may never recover from such a zinger.

Doctors in the arts are considered our most esteemed scholars in their fields. Forgetful says that MOST of them are lazy and forgetful in their writings. If you have a problem it's with him not me. But by all means twist things so you can defend your fellow traveler and attack me. It's you being you.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2024, 06:30:44 AM
so, in summary, the mopes were all against pressure on gay to resign and/or be fired.  sounds like we gots ourselves a slew of DEI racists here

  first off, gay was proven to be an anti-semite and then found to have copied a bunch of others ideas for her dissertations

       attack the attackers and then go all what aboutism on it.  what do the lefties do?

  better call saul, eyn'a?
       
       make the enemy live up to it's own rules
       pick their targets, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it
       keep the pressure on
       ridicule is man's most potent weapon
       never go outside of the expertise of your people
             exhibit 1- heels up
             exhibit 2-all non-biologists.  for those of you in rio linda-can't define female

keep your eyes on the ball boys.  the real problem here is unqualified people in positions of power.  if it was a black female they really wanted, there are so many qualified black females very much qualified to fill the position.  the anger should be directed at the fact that they chose someone like gay to represent  them, because it does not represent them...or does it??? 

  they hire someone who has that 'force field" in front of them-
if you disagree-
   you're a racist
   you're a misogynist
   you're a hater
   you are dumb
   what about... fill in the blank
   attackattackattack-make it personal

umm, but wait...this is about claudine...oh that was so "they all do it' a long time ago.

9.5 out of 10
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2024, 08:15:24 AM
Doctors in the arts are considered our most esteemed scholars in their fields. Forgetful says that MOST of them are lazy and forgetful in their writings. If you have a problem it's with him not me. But by all means twist things so you can defend your fellow traveler and attack me. It's you being you.

Oh, Lenny. Stop playing the victim. I didn't attack *you*. I didn't call you a name or insult your intelligence. Or say "it's you being you." I called out your intentional misstating of what forgetful had written to inject a tired (and false) talking point.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2024, 08:41:07 AM
Oh, Lenny. Stop playing the victim. I didn't attack *you*. I didn't call you a name or insult your intelligence. Or say "it's you being you." I called out your intentional misstating of what forgetful had written to inject a tired (and false) talking point.

BS

If I had written what forgetful wrote - that most doctors in the arts were lazy and forgetful - you would have been all over me. What's your source, you're making up things, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Assuming you're honest, you know that's true.

But forgetful wrote it, so it's crickets to him. And when I quote accurately what he wrote you pedantically go after me. I'm not claiming victimhood. I'm amused by your response. It was as predictable as it was bogus.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 06, 2024, 05:26:40 AM


Better than being an antisemite, aina?

You give precisely zero fucks about antisemitism. If you did, you'd call out blatant antisemites like Tuckems and Musk. But you are too cowardly and dishonest to do so.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Pakuni

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2024, 08:51:45 AM
BS

If I had written what forgetful wrote - that most doctors in the arts were lazy and forgetful - you would have been all over me. What's your source, you're making up things, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Assuming you're honest, you know that's true.

But forgetful wrote it, so it's crickets to him. And when I quote accurately what he wrote you pedantically go after me. I'm not claiming victimhood. I'm amused by your response. It was as predictable as it was bogus.

Person A: LeBron made a lazy defensive play last night.

Person B: Some, if not most, NBA players make a lazy defensive play during their career.

Lenny: Person B says the best NBA players are lazy human beings! That's no surprise!

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2024, 06:30:44 AM
so, in summary, the mopes were all against pressure on gay to resign and/or be fired.  sounds like we gots ourselves a slew of DEI racists here

  first off, gay was proven to be an anti-semite and then found to have copied a bunch of others ideas for her dissertations

       attack the attackers and then go all what aboutism on it.  what do the lefties do?

  better call saul, eyn'a?
       
       make the enemy live up to it's own rules
       pick their targets, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it
       keep the pressure on
       ridicule is man's most potent weapon
       never go outside of the expertise of your people
             exhibit 1- heels up
             exhibit 2-all non-biologists.  for those of you in rio linda-can't define female

keep your eyes on the ball boys.  the real problem here is unqualified people in positions of power.  if it was a black female they really wanted, there are so many qualified black females very much qualified to fill the position.  the anger should be directed at the fact that they chose someone like gay to represent  them, because it does not represent them...or does it??? 

  they hire someone who has that 'force field" in front of them-
if you disagree-
   you're a racist
   you're a misogynist
   you're a hater
   you are dumb
   what about... fill in the blank
   attackattackattack-make it personal

umm, but wait...this is about claudine...oh that was so "they all do it' a long time ago. 

Who here spoke out against May getting fired? So your very first sentence is inaccurate.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2024, 11:09:03 AM
Person A: LeBron made a lazy defensive play last night.

Person B: Some, if not most, NBA players make a lazy defensive play during their career.

Lenny: Person B says the best NBA players are lazy human beings! That's no surprise!

No.

Person A: Some Doctor in the Arts plagiarized frequently.

Person B: Everyone in the Arts does it. Not intentionally, but because they're lazy and forgetful.

Lenny: So you're saying Doctors in the Arts are lazy and forgetful

Pakuni: What he said doesn't mean what it means. How dare you.


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