Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[MU82]

I do not support ANY antisemitics, blue, black, green, or red. I push back against ALL antisemites...period, hey?

Well, we know that's not true.

And you certainly back a guy who has a long history of accepting and soliciting support from raging antisemites - people who would be happy to eradicate all Jewish vermin from the face of the earth.

[tower912]

Clearly depends on the context.   Like doxxing.

[JWags85]

Does associating with/accepting support from anti-semites/racists necessarily make you anti-Semitic/racist?  Or just an enabler of those things. 

Not that it's any better, but I think the latter is the realm of shameless opportunists that litter the political and social media influencer space. 

Obviously we all know who is being referred to above, but outside of him, I've seen it unfairly used with people I don't agree with at all in this particular conflict.  They gleefully and enthusiastically embrace the boosting or expanding of their message by anti-Semites even though nothing about them previously would point to being an out and out Jew hater.

TL/DR labels like racist, anti-Semitic homophobe, transphobe, etc... get meted out far too frivolously, even if the person being labeled is an otherwise seemingly crappy person

[MU82]

Does associating with/accepting support from anti-semites/racists necessarily make you anti-Semitic/racist?

Nope. But when you claim 1,000 times that you abhor antisemitism even as you enthusiastically back people who associate with and accept support from antisemites, it makes you a hypocrite and it undermines your "cause."

I do agree with your overall thesis, Wags.

[4everwarriors]

You're a hoot, aina?

[MU82]

You're a hoot, aina?

Your antisemitic-adjacent friends are just pawns - depending on the context, of course.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Does associating with/accepting support from anti-semites/racists necessarily make you anti-Semitic/racist?  Or just an enabler of those things. 

Not that it's any better, but I think the latter is the realm of shameless opportunists that litter the political and social media influencer space. 

Obviously we all know who is being referred to above, but outside of him, I've seen it unfairly used with people I don't agree with at all in this particular conflict.  They gleefully and enthusiastically embrace the boosting or expanding of their message by anti-Semites even though nothing about them previously would point to being an out and out Jew hater.

TL/DR labels like racist, anti-Semitic homophobe, transphobe, etc... get meted out far too frivolously, even if the person being labeled is an otherwise seemingly crappy person

Telling people of a religion they are wrong about how they should feel about the violent actions of their fellow members, and belittling them for speaking out about it when you do not belong to that religion is what then?

[SoCalEagle]

Does associating with/accepting support from anti-semites/racists necessarily make you anti-Semitic/racist?  Or just an enabler of those things. 

Not that it's any better, but I think the latter is the realm of shameless opportunists that litter the political and social media influencer space. 

Obviously we all know who is being referred to above, but outside of him, I've seen it unfairly used with people I don't agree with at all in this particular conflict.  They gleefully and enthusiastically embrace the boosting or expanding of their message by anti-Semites even though nothing about them previously would point to being an out and out Jew hater.

TL/DR labels like racist, anti-Semitic homophobe, transphobe, etc... get meted out far too frivolously, even if the person being labeled is an otherwise seemingly crappy person

I don't know, do you hang out with a bunch of racist people?  My guess is you don't.  Why???  Because you're not racist.  If you're friendly with a bunch of racists, yeah I think that would be a VERY poor reflection on you. 

[SoCalEagle]

Does associating with/accepting support from anti-semites/racists necessarily make you anti-Semitic/racist?  Or just an enabler of those things. 

Not that it's any better, but I think the latter is the realm of shameless opportunists that litter the political and social media influencer space. 

Obviously we all know who is being referred to above, but outside of him, I've seen it unfairly used with people I don't agree with at all in this particular conflict.  They gleefully and enthusiastically embrace the boosting or expanding of their message by anti-Semites even though nothing about them previously would point to being an out and out Jew hater.

TL/DR labels like racist, anti-Semitic homophobe, transphobe, etc... get meted out far too frivolously, even if the person being labeled is an otherwise seemingly crappy person

I think the opposite is true.  Too many times, instead of criticizing racist statements, I hear things like:

We don't really know what is in his heart, right?

I didn't see / hear his racist statement, so I'm not sure / not going to provide my opinion

Oh, that's just him.  He says silly thing sometimes, but don't listen to what he says, watch what he does

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Whoopsie!

It's ok, though, Gorsuch isn't a black female.

Gorsuch's writings borrow from other authors
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/gorsuch-writings-supreme-court-236891

"The documents show that several passages from the tenth chapter of his 2006 book, "The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia," read nearly verbatim to a 1984 article in the Indiana Law Journal. In several other instances in that book and an academic article published in 2000, Gorsuch borrowed from the ideas, quotes and structures of scholarly and legal works without citing them."

[MU82]

Whoopsie!

It's ok, though, Gorsuch isn't a black female.

Gorsuch's writings borrow from other authors
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/gorsuch-writings-supreme-court-236891

"The documents show that several passages from the tenth chapter of his 2006 book, "The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia," read nearly verbatim to a 1984 article in the Indiana Law Journal. In several other instances in that book and an academic article published in 2000, Gorsuch borrowed from the ideas, quotes and structures of scholarly and legal works without citing them."

He's a member of a protected class, though.

[JWags85]

Telling people of a religion they are wrong about how they should feel about the violent actions of their fellow members, and belittling them for speaking out about it when you do not belong to that religion is what then?

I didn't speak to that at all.  I'm not trying to pretend there isn't rampant anti-semitism out there, cause there is.  But I also think it can be a incorrectly used broad brush label (as we've seen in this very thread.

I don't know, do you hang out with a bunch of racist people?  My guess is you don't.  Why???  Because you're not racist.  If you're friendly with a bunch of racists, yeah I think that would be a VERY poor reflection on you. 

To be fair, I was speaking more online/social media/message board fodder sort of stuff, when people are speaking on public figures or others in the news.  I think people are far less inclined to throw reckless labels on people they know personally whether family/friends/work.

Though, in reality, I can think of various times Ive seen or heard people be deemed racist or suspected racist cause of their parents/family reputation...without the person giving the label knowing them at all really.  But its been awhile and it was nobody that close to me.

[Pakuni]

Whoopsie!

It's ok, though, Gorsuch isn't a black female.

Gorsuch's writings borrow from other authors
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/gorsuch-writings-supreme-court-236891

"The documents show that several passages from the tenth chapter of his 2006 book, "The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia," read nearly verbatim to a 1984 article in the Indiana Law Journal. In several other instances in that book and an academic article published in 2000, Gorsuch borrowed from the ideas, quotes and structures of scholarly and legal works without citing them."

The Supreme Court is doomed.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

I didn't speak to that at all.  I'm not trying to pretend there isn't rampant anti-semitism out there, cause there is.  But I also think it can be a incorrectly used broad brush label (as we've seen in this very thread.

To be fair, I was speaking more online/social media/message board fodder sort of stuff, when people are speaking on public figures or others in the news.  I think people are far less inclined to throw reckless labels on people they know personally whether family/friends/work.

Though, in reality, I can think of various times Ive seen or heard people be deemed racist or suspected racist cause of their parents/family reputation...without the person giving the label knowing them at all really.  But its been awhile and it was nobody that close to me.

To clarify I wasn't saying you are pretending my example is not. I was posing that the broad usage of the label in bad faith enables the very thing that it's claiming to be calling out. Whether that's cynically intentional or not bothering to think critically well that's up for interpretation.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

The Supreme Court is doomed.

The Supreme Court won't be ok

[forgetful]

Whoopsie!

It's ok, though, Gorsuch isn't a black female.

Gorsuch's writings borrow from other authors
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/gorsuch-writings-supreme-court-236891

"The documents show that several passages from the tenth chapter of his 2006 book, "The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia," read nearly verbatim to a 1984 article in the Indiana Law Journal. In several other instances in that book and an academic article published in 2000, Gorsuch borrowed from the ideas, quotes and structures of scholarly and legal works without citing them."

Not surprising. If one would go through scholarly works with a fine tooth comb, particularly in the arts (I would say less so in the sciences) and letters realms, you will find a lot, maybe even most authors would be guilty of plagiarism. Not because of anything intentional, moreso laziness, and forgetting to write down sources when they are taking notes, and then later forgetting that your notes came from someone else, not yourself.

In the sciences, that is likely less common, because really only introductions/conclusions have a lot of references to other literature sources, and they are usually very highly cited sections. What is rampant in the sciences rather, is citing the wrong reference, again...because of laziness, where the author didn't write down the source at the time of taking notes, and later misremembered which source the data/statements came from.

This could become a people in glass houses situation, where they were so fired up about doing everything they could to remove someone, that they forgot to ask if they really should, and others they don't want gone, might get caught up in the aftermath as collateral damage.

[Heisenberg]

Not surprising. If one would go through scholarly works with a fine tooth comb, particularly in the arts (I would say less so in the sciences) and letters realms, you will find a lot, maybe even most authors would be guilty of plagiarism. Not because of anything intentional, moreso laziness, and forgetting to write down sources when they are taking notes, and then later forgetting that your notes came from someone else, not yourself.

In the sciences, that is likely less common, because really only introductions/conclusions have a lot of references to other literature sources, and they are usually very highly cited sections. What is rampant in the sciences rather, is citing the wrong reference, again...because of laziness, where the author didn't write down the source at the time of taking notes, and later misremembered which source the data/statements came from.

This could become a people in glass houses situation, where they were so fired up about doing everything they could to remove someone, that they forgot to ask if they really should, and others they don't want gone, might get caught up in the aftermath as collateral damage.

The gloves are coming off ... and Ackman has the resources to make this happen.

5:01 PM · Jan 5, 2024
@BillAckman

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1743407502312505795?s=20


My wife, @NeriOxman, was just contacted by Business Insider claiming that they have identified other plagiarism in her work including 15 examples in her dissertation where she did not cite Wikipedia as a source. 

Business Insider told us that they are publishing their story this evening.  As a result, we don't have time to research their claims prior to publication.

It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family.

This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews. 

We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism.

We will be using MIT's own plagiarism standards which can be found here:

https://integrity.mit.edu/handbook/what-plagiarism

We will share our findings in the public domain as they are completed in the spirit of transparency.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

what's the over/under for plagiarism nowadays?  gotta be around 38-39 eyn'a  it wasn't until they found another bakers dozen until she finally said UNCLE reeko

but, gets to keep her $1 mil salary and her "teaching" job...ho boy, what class does she teach?  how to "how to copy other peoples writings without attribution" peacefully of course

Up to 29!

https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipedia-mit-dissertation-2024-1

[Heisenberg]

Why isn't Ackman calling for his plagiarist wife to resign?

She's part of the most protected class in America - rich, white people.

She is also a former first lieutenant in the Israeli Air Force.

Probably trained to commit genocide.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Up to 29!

https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipedia-mit-dissertation-2024-1

They'll be insisting on her resignation.

Any...moment...now.

[forgetful]

The gloves are coming off ... and Ackman has the resources to make this happen.

5:01 PM · Jan 5, 2024
@BillAckman

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1743407502312505795?s=20


My wife, @NeriOxman, was just contacted by Business Insider claiming that they have identified other plagiarism in her work including 15 examples in her dissertation where she did not cite Wikipedia as a source. 

Business Insider told us that they are publishing their story this evening.  As a result, we don't have time to research their claims prior to publication.

It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family.

This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews. 

We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism.

We will be using MIT's own plagiarism standards which can be found here:

https://integrity.mit.edu/handbook/what-plagiarism

We will share our findings in the public domain as they are completed in the spirit of transparency.

He's the one who started this.

If he had any integrity, he'd call for his wife to resign too. Instead he is going after others again.

[Jockey]

I didn't speak to that at all.  I'm not trying to pretend there isn't rampant anti-semitism out there, cause there is.  But I also think it can be a incorrectly used broad brush label (as we've seen in this very thread.

To be fair, I was speaking more online/social media/message board fodder sort of stuff, when people are speaking on public figures or others in the news.  I think people are far less inclined to throw reckless labels on people they know personally whether family/friends/work.

Though, in reality, I can think of various times Ive seen or heard people be deemed racist or suspected racist cause of their parents/family reputation...without the person giving the label knowing them at all really.  But its been awhile and it was nobody that close to me.

I've noticed you almost always start in the center on topics and work outward from there.

Probably a good quality to have.

[Uncle Rico]

Bill Ackman's wife is doomed

[TSmith34, Inc.]

He's the one who started this.

If he had any integrity, he'd call for his wife to resign too. Instead he is going after others again.

"It's OK if we do it!"

[jesmu84]

He's the one who started this.

If he had any integrity, he'd call for his wife to resign too. Instead he is going after others again.

The problem is, it was never about plagiarism. But now that's the line in the sand.