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The Sultan

A two state solution is not possible...now. I completely agree with that.

But walling them off and blockading them in, with the idea that they could also go to places like the Congo isn't going to work either. It's completely inhumane, but it also is going to the a lawless place where terrorism will thrive.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 04, 2024, 02:16:40 PM
Completely disagree with your take on the clan structure. It is a suggestion to get away from Hamas and Hezbollah type governance. The Taliban are fundamentally Pashtun fundamentalst Islamic movement. The clan thing is pretty murky.


I think you are being too literal. The Taliban are a bunch of lawless, fundamentalist strongmen. That's exactly what is going to take over Gaza under this plan. And Israel will try, but they won't be able to contain them.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on January 04, 2024, 03:40:01 PM
They got their second state, Gaza, when Israel completely pulled out in 2005.

And did that offer Israel any security against terrorism?  Answer: no.

So a two-state solution is "this is yours, this is ours, you leave us alone, we leave you alone." When offered this opportunity, the Palestinians did not do this.


lol.
If that was a two-state solution and Gaza were an independent nation, then Israel has been conducting war on Gaza for nearly two decades via its blockade, seizure of ships and repeated incursions. A blockade of a sovereign nation is an act of war under international law as is, obviously, a military invasion
Now, I'm not making that argument, since I don't believe Gaza is an independent sovereign state. But you do, and it's the logical conclusion of your position.
Well done.

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Subsequent surveys after October 7 show support for Hamas has increased significantly. I post several of them earlier.

So you're saying the people fighting Israel became more popular among Gazans after Israel killed thousands of Gazans and reduced their homes to rubble?


Pakuni

Huh.

Billionaire hedge fund manager and major Harvard donor Bill Ackman seized on revelations that Harvard president Claudine Gay had plagiarized some passages in her academic work to underscore his calls for her removal following what he perceived as her mishandling of large protests against Israel's bombardment of Gaza on Harvard's campus.
An analysis by Business Insider found a similar pattern of plagiarism by Ackman's wife Neri Oxman, who became a tenured professor at MIT in 2017.
Oxman plagiarized multiple paragraphs of her 2010 doctoral dissertation, Business Insider found, including at least one passage directly lifted from other writers without citation.


https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-wife-neri-oxman-mit-dissertation-plagiarism-2024-1

The Sultan

Dammit. I think this means antisemitism hasn't been eliminated.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on January 04, 2024, 05:28:30 PM
Huh.

Billionaire hedge fund manager and major Harvard donor Bill Ackman seized on revelations that Harvard president Claudine Gay had plagiarized some passages in her academic work to underscore his calls for her removal following what he perceived as her mishandling of large protests against Israel's bombardment of Gaza on Harvard's campus.
An analysis by Business Insider found a similar pattern of plagiarism by Ackman's wife Neri Oxman, who became a tenured professor at MIT in 2017.
Oxman plagiarized multiple paragraphs of her 2010 doctoral dissertation, Business Insider found, including at least one passage directly lifted from other writers without citation.


https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-wife-neri-oxman-mit-dissertation-plagiarism-2024-1

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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4everwarriors

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 04, 2024, 05:17:36 PM
Hamas =\= Palestinians


Wrong, hey?


#fromtherivertothesea
and Palestine wiil be free


#neveragain
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

21Jumpstreet

Glass houses and stones, or something like that. Billionaires should not control higher education. Ackman is an opportunist, nothing more.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on January 04, 2024, 06:03:21 PM
Glass houses and stones, or something like that. Billionaires should not control higher education. Ackman is an opportunist, nothing more.

I am outraged and demand his wife resign immediately
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Uncle Rico

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4everwarriors

Probably didn't commit over 40 instances of plagiarism as the president of one of the world's most prestigious universities...disgusting and disgraceful, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2024, 06:35:39 PM
Probably didn't commit over 40 instances of plagiarism as the president of one of the world's most prestigious universities...disgusting and disgraceful, aina?

Yep. Which is why she was rightfully forced out.

But plagiarism is plagiarism right?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

4everwarriors

Took a month and the cancellation of hundreds of millions in donations. Oh, and Harvard will not be fine, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2024, 06:46:22 PM
Took a month and the cancellation of hundreds of millions in donations. Oh, and Harvard will not be fine, aina?

Harvard is absolutely fine. You really have no clue what you are talking about.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

4everwarriors

Right back at ya. Ackman is now calling for all the Trustees to resign. Early admission apps are down 17%. Jewish families are opting for schools like Vandy, Wash U and Emory because they fear for their children's safety in Cambridge. Harvard will not be fine, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2024, 06:52:33 PM
Right back at ya. Ackman is now calling for all the Trustees to resign. Early admission apps are down 17%. Jewish families are opting for schools like Vandy, Wash U and Emory because they fear for their children's safety in Cambridge. Harvard will not be fine, hey?


No I know exactly what I am talking about and you have your brain mushed by being too online.

They will absolutely be fine. And time will prove you wrong - which is something you should be used to be now. Honestly one would think you would have enough self-reflection to realize that at this point.

Yet here you are...
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 04, 2024, 06:41:55 PM
Yep. Which is why she was rightfully forced out.

But plagiarism is plagiarism right?

Not if you're part of the protected class like Ackman's wife.
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jesmu84

Anyone know where Gay's plagiarism evidence came to light?

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

I mean it's not exactly hidden what this was actually about. It's just that some people here continually fall hook line and sinker for it (and are happy to do so if it punishes the people they deem "protected class") and do their dirty work for them by being dog whistling  victimization seekers

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/03/christopher-rufo-claudine-gay-harvard-resignation-00133618
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jesmu84

Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on January 04, 2024, 07:08:51 PM
I mean it's not exactly hidden what this was actually about. It's just that some people here continually fall hook line and sinker for it (and are happy to do so if it punishes the people they deem "protected class") and do their dirty work for them by being dog whistling  victimization seekers

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/03/christopher-rufo-claudine-gay-harvard-resignation-00133618

Sure.

But did Rufo find the plagiarism on his own? Or did he stumble upon it somewhere else?

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2024, 06:35:39 PM
Probably didn't commit over 40 instances of plagiarism as the president of one of the world's most prestigious universities...disgusting and disgraceful, aina?
At least you're CONSISTENTLY massively hypocritical.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Jockey


4everwarriors

So plagiarism is ok? Particularly, if the goal is to get a DEI candidate. How demeaning. Guess it depends on context, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2024, 07:24:58 PM
So plagiarism is ok? Particularly, if the goal is to get a DEI candidate. How demeaning. Guess it depends on context, aina?

No, it isn't.  That's why Ackman's wife should lose her job.  I fully expect outrage over this.  If not, MIT is doomed
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