Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Heisenberg]

That's ridiculous.  We all know it's agnostic to child rape.

Interesting that this attempt at humor came up.

Harris addressed this too about those who are willing to defend the term Islamophobia as a thing.

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When The Book of Mormon became the most celebrated musical in the United States, the LDS Church protested by placing ads for their faith in the program. That might have been a wasted effort: but it was also a charming sign of good humor. Yes, there are crazy and dangerous people in every faith—and I often hear from them. But what is true of Mormonism is true of every other religion, with a single exception. Can you imagine staging a similar play about Islam anywhere on Earth? No you cannot—unless you also imagine the creators of that play being hunted for the rest of their lives by religious maniacs. You also have to imagine Muslims by the hundreds of thousands, in dozens of countries, going absolutely berserk.

At this moment in history, there is only one religion that systematically stifles free expression with credible threats of violence. The truth is, we have already lost our First Amendment freedoms with respect to Islam. We lost them decades ago—and anyone who is tempted to cry "Islamophobia" at this point, shares the blame for this. This status quo is intolerable—and, most important, it should be intolerable to Muslims themselves. They should be mortified that their community is so uniquely combustible. So uniquely uncivil. So incapable of self-reflection and self-criticism. So dangerously childish. So desperate to make the whole world it's safe space.

Consider what is actually happening: Some percentage of the world's Muslims—and it is not just extremists—are demanding that all non-Muslims conform to Islamic law. And while they might not immediately resort to violence in their protests, they threaten it. Carrying a sign through the streets of London that reads "Behead Those Who Insult the Prophet" might still count as an example of peaceful protest, but it is also an assurance that infidel blood would be shed if the thug holding the sign only had more power. Wherever Muslims do have real power, this grotesque promise is always fulfilled. To make a film, or stage a play, or write a novel critical of Islam in any Muslim-majority country, is as sure a method of suicide as the laws of physics allow. There is only one religion on Earth that has normalized this level of fanaticism. And it isn't an expression of bigotry to notice that this is totally antithetical to everything that civilized people value in the 21st century.

The October 7th attacks in Israel changed the way many of us think about the vulnerability of open societies. They changed the way we think about immigration and failures of assimilation. And they revealed a level of moral confusion in our universities and other institutions that is as astonishing as it is masochistic. We have people who are ostensibly committed to women's rights, and gay rights, and trans rights, mindlessly supporting people who would hurl them from rooftops or beat them to death with their own hands. It is not a sign of bigotry to notice this hypocrisy and moral confusion for what it is.

It really is possible to be critical of Israel, and to be committed to the political rights of the Palestinian people, without denying the reality of Islamic religious fanaticism—or the threat that it poses not just to Israel, but to open societies everywhere.

There have been nearly 50,000 acts of Islamic terrorism in the last 40 years—and the French group that maintains a database of these attacks considers that to be an undercount. Ninety percent of them have occurred in Muslim countries. Most have nothing to do with Israel or Jews. There have been 82 attacks in France and over 2000 in Pakistan during this period. Do you want France to be more like Pakistan? You just need more jihadists. You just need more people susceptible to becoming jihadists. You just need a wider Muslim community that won't condemn jihadism, but pretends that the theology that inspires it will be true and perfect until the end of the world. You just need millions of people who will protest Israel for defending itself, or call for the deaths of cartoonists for depicting the prophet Muhammad, and yet not make a peep about the jihadist atrocities that occur daily, all over the world, in the name of their religion.

[The Sultan]

LOL. So Harris' argument is "there is no such thing as 'Islamophobia' because we are right to be concerned about Muslims?"

That's a 100% bigoted argument, and you are a bigot if you agree with it.  So congrats?

[Hards Alumni]

Neither do I. Because expressing a negative opinion of Christianity's influence on history (or present times) is not bigotry.
If I said the Catholic church has a history of overlooking pedophilia, that wouldn't be bigotry. It would be stating a fact. Now, if I said Catholicism is pro-child rape, that would be bigoted.
Likewise, saying that Islam has been used to nspire terrorism isn't a bigoted statement. It's a fact.  But saying Muslims are terrorists is indeed Islamophobic.

Perfection

[Hards Alumni]

Heisey is out here quoting Sam Harris on the topic of Islamophobia, I think we can just move on.  He isn't a serious person anyway.

Why doesn't he just start quoting Dawkin's or Hitchen's views about religion.  They'd be about as unbiased.

[The Sultan]

Heisey is out here quoting Sam Harris on the topic of Islamophobia, I think we can just move on.  He isn't a serious smart person anyway.

FIFY

[Hards Alumni]

FIFY

Por que no los dos?

[rocky_warrior]

Can you imagine staging a similar play about Islam anywhere on Earth? No you cannot—unless...

Your post had nothing to do with my half-truth.

But I do suggest you check out this movie!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1341167/

[Hards Alumni]

Your post had nothing to do with my half-truth.

But I do suggest you check out this movie!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1341167/

Yeah, well in addition to not being serious, he is also Not A Humorous Person.

[jesmu84]

Per Finance Minister and leader of political party, there are no innocent people in Gaza. Israel should also build settlements once the war is over.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-touts-revival-of-gaza-settlements-after-war-says-no-innocents-in-strip/

[Heisenberg]

Your post had nothing to do with my half-truth.

But I do suggest you check out this movie!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1341167/

What is the difference between a "half-truth" ...

That's ridiculous.  We all know it's agnostic to child rape.

And a bigot? 

I've been told by a "serious person" that Sam Harris is a bigot. And I'm told by another "serious person" that the attempt above is merely humor.

Yeah, well in addition to not being serious, he is also Not A Humorous Person.

So when does bigotry become funny?

Answer: when "serious people" direct it at Catholics. Apparently, you can imply any "half truth" you want about Catholics, and you are just funny, not a bigot.

But question a religion that has inspired at least 40,000 acts of terrorism in its name, maybe say a "half-truth" like ... "all mothers in hajibs are agnostic about their children to be martyrs" and that is full-on bigotry

Such is the tortured thinking when living under the oppressor/oppressed matrix worldview.

[The Sultan]

LOL, that's a lot of words when you could have just said "I didn't get the joke."  It's OK. You're not very perceptive. We realize that.

[Heisenberg]

Per Finance Minister and leader of political party, there are no innocent people in Gaza. Israel should also build settlements once the war is over.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-touts-revival-of-gaza-settlements-after-war-says-no-innocents-in-strip/

Thinking in Israel has dramatically changed, maybe permanently.  This line is critical to understanding what is happening. 

On October 6, they were Israeli
On October 8, they were Jewish

Hamas's brutal raid and taking of hostages has left Israelis deeply traumatized and is expected to reshape the country for years to come.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/world/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-politics-mood.html

"At that moment, our Israeli identity felt so crushed. It felt like 75 years of sovereignty, of Israeliness, had — in a snap — disappeared," said Dorit Rabinyan, an Israeli novelist.

"We used to be Israelis," she added. "Now we are Jewish."

For now, the assault has also unified Israeli society to a degree that felt inconceivable on Oct. 6

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And now that they are Jewish, the objective is "never again."

They want their neighbors never again to kill Jews. So, either they agree to stop killing them, or Israel will continue until they are utterly incapable of killing Jews again.

And yes, that means it is going to get a lot uglier, and the Isaelis Jews are ready for that.

See this poll about the titanic change in thinking in Israel.

* Nearly half the country has taken a major shift to the right (presumably, the 49% that have not moved their stance were already on the right).
* 81% see no chance of peace. There is never going to be a two-state solution. So, their only option is to destroy all Palestinian's ability to kill Jews. So they will keep going and going and going until this is achieved.
* And when they are done destroying Hamas and the Palestinian ability to kill Jews, half the country now wants then wants their war machine turned on Hezbollah in Lebanon to do the same.

December 1
Direct Polls: 81% of Israelis Don't Believe Peace Has a Chance
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/politics/direct-polls-81-of-israelis-dont-believe-peace-has-a-chance/2023/12/01/

On Thursday night, Channel 14 aired the latest findings from the Direct Polls survey, shedding light on Israeli public sentiment amid the Gaza war. According to the survey, 49% of respondents asserted that the October 7 massacre had not altered their political stance, while 44% indicated a shift toward the right. Only 8% claimed a move to the left, with 5% expressing uncertainty.

The survey delved into public opinion on the peace process with the "Palestinians" post-war, revealing that a significant 81% majority doubted the possibility of such a development in the future. Notably, 92% of those on the right dismissed any chance for peace, compared to 70% on the left.

Responding to the question of Hezbollah on the northern border, 50% opined that, following Hamas's elimination, Israel should also target Hezbollah, while 47% advocated for enforcing a settlement under international pressure.

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Importantly, the opinion of Settlers has dramatically changed in Israel. They used to be a source of controversy. Now, they are the leading edge of the IDF that is protecting the country and a critical part of keeping Israel's neighbors from ever killing Jews again. So, arm the Settlers and move them in.

What the Finance Minister said is merely what the Israeli public wants. It is only a controversy to Western Progressives, not Israelis Jews.

November 18
Survey shows substantial support for renewal of Jewish settlement in Gaza after war
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/survey-shows-substantial-support-for-renewal-of-jewish-settlement-in-gaza-after-war/

Channel 12 releases further findings from a survey it carried out on November 15, showing considerable support for the renewal of Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip after the war. Israel withdrew unilaterally from Gaza to the pre-1967 lines in 2005, removing some 8,000 Jews from their homes in 21 settlements.

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I understand you don't like any of this; your numerous posts make this clear.

So, what is your answer to getting Israel's neighbors to stop killing Jews?

[Pakuni]

So when does bigotry become funny?

Answer: when "serious people" direct it at Catholics. Apparently, you can imply any "half truth" you want about Catholics, and you are just funny, not a bigot.

Anti-Catholic bigotry is an impossibility and no one complains about it, according to Sam Harris.

[MU82]

It took this "never again" moment to turn Israeli Jews into just plain ol' Jews? What about all the other "never again" moments, including Hitler treating Jews like vermin for poisoning Europe's blood, and the various attacks on Israel in the '60s and '70s?

[jesmu84]

Hamas is killing Jews across the globe?

Anyone have any sources on this new information?

Btw, again, Hamas =\= Palestinians

[Heisenberg]

Hamas is killing Jews across the globe?

Anyone have any sources on this new information?

Btw, again, Hamas =\= Palestinians

I get you desperately want this to be true, but the Israelis Jews do not believe it.

As Israel fights to destroy Hamas, the group's popularity surges among Palestinians
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/21/1217758546/hamas-support-palestinians-west-bank

Surveys conducted since Oct. 7 appear to reflect the surge of support for Hamas in the West Bank.

"Three months ago ... we had 12% support for Hamas in the West Bank, and today it is 44%, so that's more than tripled," says Khalil Shikaki, director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Research.

Public support for Hamas in the Gaza Strip also rose modestly during the same period, from 38% to 42%, according to the center's survey conducted from Nov. 22-Dec. 2.

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Remember, the Nazi party was never more than 35% of the German population, and the Allied forces killed two million Germans civilians, many in brutal fashion (Dresden), to get them to reannounce the Nazis and stop waging war.


The Israelis Jews are in a fight for survival and will not stop until the ability to kill Jews has been negated. And they are prepared to do whatever it takes.


So, write this 10,000 more times if you want, but the Israelis Jews are not listening to anyone other than their population. As Golda Mier said after the 1973 attack, "We have nowhere to go."



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/30/world/middleeast/defying-us-pressure-israel-deepens-gaza-assault.html

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is facing increasing pressure from the United States and many other nations to lower the conflict's intensity, but he said last week that Israel would be "deepening" the fighting in coming days.

At a televised news conference on Saturday, Mr. Netanyahu vowed again that Israel would not stop its campaign until it achieved victory, and said that the war would continue for "many more months."

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The Israelis Jews believe

Ceasefire = Losing

[jesmu84]

Hamas =\= Palestinians

Zionism =\= Judaism

[4everwarriors]

 #fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

  Hey?

[MU82]

Happy Jew Year to all the gentiles who know more about being Jewish than Jews do!

[Heisenberg]

Hamas =\= Palestinians

Zionism =\= Judaism

Your making this equation from the Western Progressive point of view.

In Israel this was true October 6, not so much on October 8.

This also become an equation on October 8

Anti-zionism =antisemtism

And this

October 6
Israeli =\= Jew

October 8
Israeli = Jew

[The Sultan]

October 8
Israeli = Jew

Didn't you state earlier in this topic that Arabs who live in Israel are better off than those who live in Gaza? Then how can you continue to state that with this ridiculous equation you state above?

And anytime you set up a situation where criticism of Israel = antisemitism, it's a really poor argument.  So par for the course with you.

[MU82]

Criticism of America = anti-American.

Ipso fatso, if you ever criticize Biden, you are a commie-loving traitor.

[Heisenberg]

Didn't you state earlier in this topic that Arabs who live in Israel are better off than those who live in Gaza? Then how can you continue to state that with this ridiculous equation you state above?

And anytime you set up a situation where criticism of Israel = antisemitism, it's a really poor argument.  So par for the course with you.

On October 7th, over 1,000 people in Israel were brutally killed that day, in case you forgot.

The Palestinians that carried this out, at the direction of Hamas, did not discriminate. They killed Jews, Arabs, and foreigners. Any live body they came across, they killed. No one was intentionally spared.

So, on October 8
Israeli = Jew

[The Sultan]

On October 7th, over 1,000 people in Israel were brutally killed that day, in case you forgot.

The Palestinians that carried this out, at the direction of Hamas, did not discriminate. They killed Jews, Arabs, and foreigners. Any live body they came across, they killed. No one was intentionally spared.

So, on October 8
Israeli = Jew

LOL. Your "logic" should actually lead to the complete opposite conclusion.

I think you copy and paste so much nonsense that you can't keep your arguments straight.

[Pakuni]

LOL. Your "logic" should actually lead to the complete opposite conclusion.

I think you copy and paste so much nonsense that you can't keep your arguments straight.

It's impossible to lose an argument when you get to make up your own meanings of words.