Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[MU82]

Lol 😂

I know it's funny to you that you bend the knee to those who support and accept support from antisemites. You love your favorite ex-president every bit as much as David Duke and Nick Fuentes do ... except he won't have dinner with you.

Heil Drumpf!

[Uncle Rico]

I know it's funny to you that you bend the knee to those who support and accept support from antisemites. You love your favorite ex-president every bit as much as David Duke and Nick Fuentes do ... except he won't have dinner with you.

Heil Drumpf!

Maybe one day, Doc will be able to condemn anti-semitism from all and not just the ones he disagrees with politically.  My confidence is low, however

[4everwarriors]

Maybe one day y'all will take off your blue glasses and see the light. But, probably not.
Merry Christmas, hey?

[MU82]

Maybe one day y'all will take off your blue glasses and see the light. But, probably not.
Merry Christmas, hey?

The blue glasses that support Drumpf, Tucker, Musk, MTG, Gosar and the rest of your gang?

Jews don't celebrate Xmas, but you have a good one. Maybe Santa will deliver you new kneepads.

[21Jumpstreet]

The blue glasses that support Drumpf, Tucker, Musk, MTG, Gosar and the rest of your gang?

Jews don't celebrate Xmas, but you have a good one. Maybe Santa will deliver you new kneepads.

Dayum, tis the season, guys. All I want is Scoop peace

[Heisenberg]

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Or maybe they are equal


December 21
Palestinians support Hamas decision to go to war with Israel, survey suggests, with no political solution on horizon
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html

At his office about a mile away, where desks and shelves groan under piles of paperwork, Khalil Shikaki is thinking about the conflict.

Palestinians, he says, overwhelmingly support the Hamas decision to go to war with Israel.

His research company, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR), has just published the findings of its latest survey into Palestinian attitudes.

Seven hundred and fifty adults were interviewed face to face in the West Bank, and 481 were interviewed in Gaza, also in person. The Gaza data collection was done during the recent truce, when it was safer for researchers to move about.

The survey, which has a four-point margin of error (rather than the usual three-point), found that almost three-quarters (72%) of all respondents believe Hamas's decision to launch its attack on Israel on October 7 was "correct."

Less than a quarter (22%) said it was "incorrect."

[Lennys Tap]

Jews don't celebrate Xmas, but you have a good one. Maybe Santa will deliver you new kneepads.

Really? I have several Jewish friends who celebrate both Hanukkah and Christmas. And Agnostics who celebrate Christmas, too. Atheists, I'm not sure.

[SoCalEagle]

Have you noticed how unwilliing he is to do this?

He either claims his heroes who support antisemites aren't antisemites, or he just ignores it.

I don't blame him. If I supported a bunch of antisemites even as I tried to call out others as antisemitic, I'd keep ignoring the antisemites I support, too.

Starting with his favorite president ever, who actively aids and comforts antisemites everywhere. Doc shares something in common with David Duke and Nick Fuentes. Loves the 91 felony Criminal Defendant!

Like I said a couple of pages back, the willful ignorance coming from the right is staggering.

Wags, do you see what I mean? Examples are everywhere.

[Heisenberg]

Israel will definitely win again. No doubt. And that's a good thing.

But they will still face violent terrorism unless they change how they govern post-winning. You are again conflating what Hamas wants with what Palestinians want. Palestinians, like most people, want peace and prosperity. But simple people such as yourself want to throw everyone in the same bucket because it make it easier to justify violence against them.

History will prove me right. Yet you will claim to have it right all along because you are dishonest and dimwitted.

The highlighted part is what western progressives want, so they think that is what everyone wants. And they ridicule anyone that does think like them, because their worldview is the only correct one.

The reality is this is not what Palestinians want. They are engaged in a religious war against infelds to turn the entire world Muslim. And it starts with killing all the Jews. They cannot be anymore clear about this.

If the Palestinians really wanted, what western progressive wanted, 72% of them would not be in favor of October 7, as a poll above shows.


They would not have sent thousands of their children to death via suicide bombing, and then happily accept payment from the Palestinian Authority.

They would not have formed the PLO, Hamas, al-Qassam Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, they would not have allowed Isis into Gaza and celebrate them, throwing homosexuals off the top of roofs to their death.

They want nothing that Western progressives want. when given a chance, they'll kill all the Western Progressives. And the fact that Western Progressives cannot see this is a single biggest problem we have right now.


Western Progressives are stuck in the oppressor/oppressed matrix that they can't get out of. They see white people as only the oppressor never can be the oppressed, and they see Jews as white people.


What breaks their brain is the idea that the Jews are the oppressed and the oppressors is radical Islam, which is estimated to be 15% to 20% of the Muslim world. Which means it could be 100 to 200 million people. And the tip of that spear is the Palestinians.

Remember they are smarter than "not serious people."

[The Sultan]

"Peace and prosperity" is something only "western progressives" want?

Holy sh*t. This is where your broken logic has lead you? That peace and prosperity are "progressive" values? 😂😂😂

Wow. Anyway Hamas is the clear oppressor. They are oppressing their own people with Iran's help. My point is that, when this is done, if Israel (and others) don't give the Palestinians reason for hope, they will turn right back to violence.

BTW "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are pretty much the same as "peace and prosperity." Glad you think Thomas Jefferson et. al. had a "western progressive" viewpoint.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Or maybe they are equal


December 21
Palestinians support Hamas decision to go to war with Israel, survey suggests, with no political solution on horizon
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html

At his office about a mile away, where desks and shelves groan under piles of paperwork, Khalil Shikaki is thinking about the conflict.

Palestinians, he says, overwhelmingly support the Hamas decision to go to war with Israel.

His research company, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR), has just published the findings of its latest survey into Palestinian attitudes.

Seven hundred and fifty adults were interviewed face to face in the West Bank, and 481 were interviewed in Gaza, also in person. The Gaza data collection was done during the recent truce, when it was safer for researchers to move about.

The survey, which has a four-point margin of error (rather than the usual three-point), found that almost three-quarters (72%) of all respondents believe Hamas's decision to launch its attack on Israel on October 7 was "correct."

Less than a quarter (22%) said it was "incorrect."

I notice you selectively cut off your usual bulk copy paste right before this part.

"But that doesn't mean support for atrocities, he adds. "No one should see this as support for any atrocities that might have been committed by Hamas on that day."

"Palestinians believe that diplomacy and negotiations are not an option available to them, that only violence and armed struggle is the means to end the siege and blockade over Gaza, and in general to end the Israeli occupation,"

This important distinction is teased out by three of the poll's data points. Almost 80% of respondents told PCPSR researchers that killing women and children in their homes is a war crime.

An even higher number (85%) of respondents said they had not watched videos shown by international news outlets of acts committed by Hamas on October 7 – a figure which may hint at why only 10% of those surveyed said they believed Hamas had committed war crimes that day.




If you're gonna spam copy paste articles you could at least include even the basic general point it's trying to make.

[Heisenberg]

I notice you selectively cut off your usual bulk copy paste right before this part.

"But that doesn't mean support for atrocities, he adds. "No one should see this as support for any atrocities that might have been committed by Hamas on that day."

"Palestinians believe that diplomacy and negotiations are not an option available to them, that only violence and armed struggle is the means to end the siege and blockade over Gaza, and in general to end the Israeli occupation,"

This important distinction is teased out by three of the poll's data points. Almost 80% of respondents told PCPSR researchers that killing women and children in their homes is a war crime.

An even higher number (85%) of respondents said they had not watched videos shown by international news outlets of acts committed by Hamas on October 7 – a figure which may hint at why only 10% of those surveyed said they believed Hamas had committed war crimes that day.




If you're gonna spam copy paste articles you could at least include even the basic general point it's trying to make.

So, what does this tell you?

[Uncle Rico]

So, what does this tell you?

That you're not a serious person

[Heisenberg]

"Peace and prosperity" is something only "western progressives" want?

Holy sh*t. This is where your broken logic has lead you? That peace and prosperity are "progressive" values? 😂😂😂

Wow. Anyway Hamas is the clear oppressor. They are oppressing their own people with Iran's help. My point is that, when this is done, if Israel (and others) don't give the Palestinians reason for hope, they will turn right back to violence.

BTW "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are pretty much the same as "peace and prosperity." Glad you think Thomas Jefferson et. al. had a "western progressive" viewpoint.

And what do Palestinians hope for? 

Could it be to kill all the Jews?

Or are you going to tell me they want a version of the United States Constitution?
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Wartime Poll: Results of an Opinion Poll Among Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10719/Wartime-Poll-Results-of-an-Opinion-Poll-Among-Palestinians-in-the-West-Bank-and-Gaza-Strip

75% of Palestinians support the Hamas-led slaughter of Oct. 7. Another 11% don't have an opinion.

Neutral about whether it's a good idea to rape and torture, behead, burn alive, and abduct women, men, children, and infants.

Three-quarters of Palestinians think it's a terrific accomplishment.

75% of Palestinians seek the annihilation of Israel. They want a Palestine "from the river to the sea."

17.2% support the two-state solution

[The Sultan]

I notice you selectively cut off your usual bulk copy paste right before this part.

"But that doesn't mean support for atrocities, he adds. "No one should see this as support for any atrocities that might have been committed by Hamas on that day."

"Palestinians believe that diplomacy and negotiations are not an option available to them, that only violence and armed struggle is the means to end the siege and blockade over Gaza, and in general to end the Israeli occupation,"

This important distinction is teased out by three of the poll's data points. Almost 80% of respondents told PCPSR researchers that killing women and children in their homes is a war crime.

An even higher number (85%) of respondents said they had not watched videos shown by international news outlets of acts committed by Hamas on October 7 – a figure which may hint at why only 10% of those surveyed said they believed Hamas had committed war crimes that day.




If you're gonna spam copy paste articles you could at least include even the basic general point it's trying to make.

Shocking.

So, what does this tell you?

That you are intellectually dishonest. But we already knew that.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

So, what does this tell you?

I've gone into extensive detail about what I think that says in many previous posts.

About you though? That you're the human manifestation of TLDR. Whether that's due to malice or more innocent intellectual emptiness, who can tell really.

[MU82]

Really? I have several Jewish friends who celebrate both Hanukkah and Christmas. And Agnostics who celebrate Christmas, too. Atheists, I'm not sure.

Interesting. I seriously do not personally know any Jewish person - one who would answer, "Jewish" to the question, "What religion do you follow?" or "What religion do you consider yourself?" who celebrates Christmas. And I know a LOT of Jewish folks, mostly Reform Jews who are hardly super-religious.

But sure, I wouldn't doubt there are some, apparently including your Jewish friends. And there's a whole group that calls itself "Jews For Jesus" - I imagine they celebrate Christmas.

I would guess that a LOT more atheists/agnostics celebrate Christmas than Jews. It's a secular holiday for gift-giving to millions of people who are non-religious - akin to Mother's Day or Valentine's Day or a birthday. I know many "lapsed Christians" who aren't the least bit religious, or even spiritual, who love Christmas but celebrate no other religious holidays.

Anyway, Tony, Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[JWags85]

Interesting. I seriously do not personally know any Jewish person - one who would answer, "Jewish" to the question, "What religion do you follow?" or "What religion do you consider yourself?" who celebrates Christmas. And I know a LOT of Jewish folks, mostly Reform Jews who are hardly super-religious.

But sure, I wouldn't doubt there are some, apparently including your Jewish friends. And there's a whole group that calls itself "Jews For Jesus" - I imagine they celebrate Christmas.

I would guess that a LOT more atheists/agnostics celebrate Christmas than Jews. It's a secular holiday for gift-giving to millions of people who are non-religious - akin to Mother's Day or Valentine's Day or a birthday. I know many "lapsed Christians" who aren't the least bit religious, or even spiritual, who love Christmas but celebrate no other religious holidays.

Anyway, Tony, Merry Christmas to you and yours.

I know maybe a half dozen secular/Reform Jews who celebrate Christmas. But I also know a handful of Hindu/Jains, Buddhists, and even a Zoroastrian who celebrate Christmas as well.  But they all celebrate it the same way people celebrate Halloween, not actually observing the religious or symbolic meaning behind it and just enjoying the surface celebrations.

Also, to be fair, the Jews mentioned about don't observe any Jewish High Holidays and they certainly don't celebrate Easter

[forgetful]

I think its varied.  I think part of the support for the Kurds in the US is in part their uprising against Syria, their efforts in fighting against ISIS, and their end goal.  Meaning I think if Kurdistan was created in some legitimate sense, the Kurds would be happy.  They don't need the eradication of Turkey, Syria, or Iraq for that to happen.  I think that is a distinctly different situation than a "Free Palestine" end game for many.  Also, I think with the exception of the PKK, Kurdish military action has been viewed as just that, military action, instead of terrorist activity with an aim of targeting civilians.

In short, I don't see a "from the river to the sea" mentality in the overall Kurdish aim.  Its like if people in the Oklahoma panhandle wanted to secede and be just the Panhandle...but didn't need Oklahoma to be eradicated for that to happen.

As for this, like I mentioned in a previous post, I think it all hinges and is predicated on a Palestinian leadership that is pragmatic, focused on the people, and with a true coexistence in mind.  One that views terrorism and antagonism against Israel as problematic and counter productive.  I think in doing that, you could see a movement towards what 2005 was supposed to be in Gaza and one that is met with widespread approval in Israel.  I can see arguments against it, but I firmly believe the strength and momentum of the Israeli far right movement has directly fed off of Hamas's aggression and Fatah's letting down of the Palestinian people.

Thank you for the response. I'm not sure your distinction between the goal of the Kurds and the Palestinians is accurate. Yes there are extreme elements within Palestinians (e.g. Hamas) that want to unite all of Palestine under Palestinian rule, but the general idea, even the 2017 Hamas charter (I don't trust it), advocate for a Independent Palestinian State along 1967 borders.

Also, regarding Kurdish military action. People are want to align all of the Palestinians with the worst elements amongst them (e.g. Hamas/Islamic Jihad), but do not do so for other groups. Why not assign all Kurds to aligning with the PKK. They have the same fundamental goals, and most Kurdish political and military groups support the PKK.

I think there is a tendency, particularly amongst people from the West, to assign the worst possible traits and elements within the Palestinian cause, as "Palestinian." But for other groups, the Kurds, Kosovo Albanians, and even Israeli politics/movements, we disregard the extreme positions as fringe elements (even when they are running the government), and assign the best intentions/characterizations to these groups we view as allies.

I'm not saying you're doing this, but I see this often as a general trend.

Regarding, the political entities in Palestine. I agree with you that Hamas' leadership has been problematic. But, they took power, to a large part, because of the failure of Palestinian leadership to do anything to stop settler aggression, Israeli incursions/detentions, and to make any progress towards an independent state. Even after Hamas took power, they were able to support it, because Hamas made fortunes off investing, and direct payments to Hamas (by outside nations) that Israel supported, in part to keep Hamas in power (It has been reported that Netanyahu's plan was to keep this funding flowing to stop the establishment of a more neutral and powerful Palestinian government).

I really think the UN needs to step in and implement a true 2-state solution. That is, if we want to see lasting peace in the area, and not an annihilation of either people.

[Lennys Tap]

Interesting. I seriously do not personally know any Jewish person - one who would answer, "Jewish" to the question, "What religion do you follow?" or "What religion do you consider yourself?" who celebrates Christmas. And I know a LOT of Jewish folks, mostly Reform Jews who are hardly super-religious.

But sure, I wouldn't doubt there are some, apparently including your Jewish friends. And there's a whole group that calls itself "Jews For Jesus" - I imagine they celebrate Christmas.

I would guess that a LOT more atheists/agnostics celebrate Christmas than Jews. It's a secular holiday for gift-giving to millions of people who are non-religious - akin to Mother's Day or Valentine's Day or a birthday. I know many "lapsed Christians" who aren't the least bit religious, or even spiritual, who love Christmas but celebrate no other religious holidays.

Anyway, Tony, Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Thanks,Mike. Happy, healthy New Year to you and your family

[Heisenberg]

Poll of what Israelis think

Poll taken Dec 11 to 13
https://en.idi.org.il/media/22311/war-in-gaza-7-_data_eng.pdf

To what extent should Israel take into consideration the suffering of the civilian population in Gaza when planning the continuation of the fighting there?

Jews
Not at all 40.4%
Fairly small extent 40.7%
fairly large extent 11.4%
very large extent 4.5%
Don't know 3%

What do you think is the likelihood that Israel will achieve each of the two main goals of the war as defined by the government?


Destroying Hamas's military and political infrastructure:

Jews
Very high likelihood 24.8%
Fairly high likelihood 46.7%
Fairly low likelihood 20.3%
Very low likelihood 4.0%
Don't know 4.2%

Bringing all the hostages home:

Jews
Very high likelihood 9.0%
Fairly high likelihood 23.9%
Fairly low likelihood 43.8%
Very low likelihood 14.8%
Don't know 8.5%



Some people have predicted that after the war, a wave of mass civil protests will break out in Israel calling for the political and military leaders responsible
for the failure of October 7 to be held to account. Do you think that you personally will participate in such protests?

Jews
Certain I will 25.0%
Think I will 18.9%
Think I won't 20.0%
Certain I won't 26.8%
Don't know 9.3%

In your opinion, to what extent is the IDF endeavoring to ensure that its military actions in Gaza obey international law and the rules of war?

Jews
To a very large extent 52.7%
To a fairly large extent 38.8%
To a fairly small extent 3.6%
To a very small extent/Not at all 0.7%
Don't know 4.2%

In many Western countries there have been mass demonstrations and loud public criticism against Israel for its conduct during the war in Gaza. What do
you think is the main reason for this?

Jews
The civilian casualties and destruction inflicted during the war against Hamas in Gaza 7.5%
Antisemitism and hatred of Israel 62.1%
Both reasons equally 22.4%
Other: 6.6%
Don't know 1.4%


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My summary

They are committed to making Hamas unable to ever kill another Jew again, despite the cost of Gazans.  October 7 was a real change in opinion in Israel, maybe one of the biggest in its 75-year history. "Never again." This is a fight for their survival.

They do not care what "serious people" in the West think, they think they are antisemitic and are ignored.

So the focus is making Hamas, and Palestinians in general, unable to keep killing Jews.

That is what they think is victory.

[Heisenberg]

Claudine Gay Turmoil Forces Harvard's Secretive 'Corporation' Into Spotlight
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/24/us/harvard-corporation-claudine-gay.html
Harvard's powerful board has backed its president and said little else, yet a member privately said "generational change" may be needed. 

Harvard's board is led by Ms. Pritzker, who was an early backer of Barack Obama's presidency and later served as secretary of commerce under his administration. Despite her leadership role, Ms. Pritzker, a champion of Dr. Gay's, has not spoken publicly since the controversy began, leaving the corporation to communicate through a single public statement.

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"The corporation should have done their homework, and apparently they did not," said Avi Loeb, a Harvard science professor who has been publicly critical of the school's response after the Hamas attack on Israel in which about 1,200 people were killed.

"They don't engage in criticism the way they should," Mr. Loeb said of the corporation. "They don't want the people who disagree with them to speak with them."

[Uncle Rico]

Claudine Gay Turmoil Forces Harvard's Secretive 'Corporation' Into Spotlight
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/24/us/harvard-corporation-claudine-gay.html
Harvard's powerful board has backed its president and said little else, yet a member privately said "generational change" may be needed. 

Harvard's board is led by Ms. Pritzker, who was an early backer of Barack Obama's presidency and later served as secretary of commerce under his administration. Despite her leadership role, Ms. Pritzker, a champion of Dr. Gay's, has not spoken publicly since the controversy began, leaving the corporation to communicate through a single public statement.

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"The corporation should have done their homework, and apparently they did not," said Avi Loeb, a Harvard science professor who has been publicly critical of the school's response after the Hamas attack on Israel in which about 1,200 people were killed.

"They don't engage in criticism the way they should," Mr. Loeb said of the corporation. "They don't want the people who disagree with them to speak with them."

What does that have to do with the war in Israel?

[Heisenberg]

What does that have to do with the war in Israel?

About the same as your 50 posts about Elon.

We all have our Jewish Space Lasers

[Uncle Rico]

About the same as your 50 posts about Elon.

We all have our Jewish Space Lasers

So, nothing?