Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Heisenberg]

Do you even realize how quickly, and how often, you switch goalposts?

But yeah the problem is Hamas. Not a "radical religion that wants world domination and wants all the infelds (sp.) dead."

You are incapable of accepting that Hamas is rooted in radical Islam that wants to not only eliminate Israel but shares the wider goal of radical Islam that it wants the entire world to be Muslim.

[The Sultan]

You are incapable of accepting that Hamas is rooted in radical Islam that wants to not only eliminate Israel but shares the wider goal of radical Islam that it wants the entire world to be Muslim.

Oy. You are so dim. You realize you're making a circular argument right?

You made a statement of wild exaggeration. But when that exaggeration is pointed out, you shift the goalposts in a way that actually proves my point.

Never change Heisey. Your arguments are so easy to dismantle. A nice pastime on a lazy Saturday morning.

[Heisenberg]

That's what Israel thought on October 6. But keeping people walled off in a state of economic distress won't solve the problem. It never does.

Ahh .... Now we are getting somewhere!

October 7 was Israel's fault, they deserved it.


It can never be the at the Gazans were give their own Palestinian state in 2005. Elected a radical organization to lead them and willing made the choices that lead them to October 7th.

[Uncle Rico]

Ahh .... Now we are getting somewhere!

October 7 was Israel's fault, they deserved it.


It can never be the at the Gazans were give their own Palestinian state in 2005. Elected a radical organization to lead them and willing made the choices that lead them to October 7th.

The circle is complete

[Heisenberg]

Oy. You are so dim. You realize you're making a circular argument right?

You made a statement of wild exaggeration. But when that exaggeration is pointed out, you shift the goalposts in a way that actually proves my point.

Never change Heisey. Your arguments are so easy to dismantle. A nice pastime on a lazy Saturday morning.

Every discussion with you goes one of two ways, first make your point with as much condescension as possible. And then personal attack.


This is the way of pseudo, sophisticates. People of low IQ that think more of themselves than they actually are.

[NCMUFan]

Microphone drops to floor.

[Heisenberg]

Hamas = Palestine
It has always been the case and remains the case.

December 21
Palestinians support Hamas decision to go to war with Israel, survey suggests, with no political solution on horizon
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html

At his office about a mile away, where desks and shelves groan under piles of paperwork, Khalil Shikaki is thinking about the conflict.

Palestinians, he says, overwhelmingly support the Hamas decision to go to war with Israel.

His research company, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR), has just published the findings of its latest survey into Palestinian attitudes.

Seven hundred and fifty adults were interviewed face to face in the West Bank, and 481 were interviewed in Gaza, also in person. The Gaza data collection was done during the recent truce, when it was safer for researchers to move about.

The survey, which has a four-point margin of error (rather than the usual three-point), found that almost three-quarters (72%) of all respondents believe Hamas's decision to launch its attack on Israel on October 7 was "correct."

Less than a quarter (22%) said it was "incorrect."

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Who understands this? Israel.  And they are acting accordingly.


December 22
Israelis dig in for unprecedentedly long war, with some doubts
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israelis-dig-unprecedentedly-long-war-with-some-doubts-2023-12-22/

For days, in the face of growing international pressure to halt the fighting and increase the flow of aid into the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has issued video statements reiterating his determination to win the war.

"Anyone who thinks we're going to stop is detached from reality," he said this week.

His own popularity has been badly battered by the security failures that allowed thousands of Hamas gunmen to pour into southern Israel on Oct. 7 but a large majority of Israelis back the military campaign.

"We're not seeing an erosion of support," said Tamar Hermann, a senior research fellow with the non-partisan Israel Democracy Institute (IDI), which has been carrying out regular surveys of wartime sentiment.

IDI poll of Dec. 19 found 65% of Israelis believe the government will demolish Hamas capabilities as promised

[Uncle Rico]

Every discussion with you goes one of two ways, first make your point with as much condescension as possible. And then personal attack.


This is the way of pseudo, sophisticates. People of low IQ that think more of themselves than they actually are.

Huh

[The Sultan]

Ahh .... Now we are getting somewhere!

October 7 was Israel's fault, they deserved it.


It can never be the at the Gazans were give their own Palestinian state in 2005. Elected a radical organization to lead them and willing made the choices that lead them to October 7th.

You're being dim again.

Of course it was the fault of Hamas. I've said that from the beginning. But they aren't going to fix the problem if they keep doing the same thing they have done before - wall them off and pretend they don't exist.

[The Sultan]

Every discussion with you goes one of two ways, first make your point with as much condescension as possible. And then personal attack.


This is the way of pseudo, sophisticates. People of low IQ that think more of themselves than they actually are.

Look, I'm just smarter than you.

[Heisenberg]

You're being dim again.

Of course it was the fault of Hamas. I've said that from the beginning. But they aren't going to fix the problem if they keep doing the same thing they have done before - wall them off and pretend they don't exist.

So a two-state solution will never work because it means: you stay over there, and we stay over here, and we do not bother each other.

Unless you're implying a "river to the sea" solution.

[Heisenberg]

By supporting Gay, the Harvard Corporation (what they call their Board of Trustees) did not end this controversy but instead might have dragged them into it.

When she goes, they might also have to go and find new fellows (what they call Trustees).

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Harvard Has a Veritas Problem
President Claudine Gay is in a tough spot. The Harvard Corporation deserves to be in a much tougher spot.
By Eliot A. Cohen
DECEMBER 22, 2023
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/12/harvard-claudine-gay-plagarism-standards/676948/

President Gay is in a tough spot. The Harvard Corporation deserves to be in a much tougher spot, because it has betrayed the values that the university once cherished and that it still proclaims. In both cases, the remedy indicated is the one we senior tutors applied to many a student years ago: fess up, withdraw, and reflect.

[Heisenberg]

Look, I'm just smarter than you.

Of course you are!

And you also think.

Higher IQ = a high level of morality.

That is how it works. Progressive, sophisticated people who understand nuance and complications will tell all the "Not Serious People" what is morally right and wrong. And they expect praise and adherence to their utterances.

[Uncle Rico]

By supporting Gay, the Harvard Corporation (what they call their Board of Trustees) did not end this controversy but instead might have dragged them into it.

When she goes, they might also have to go and find new fellows (what they call Trustees).

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Harvard Has a Veritas Problem
President Claudine Gay is in a tough spot. The Harvard Corporation deserves to be in a much tougher spot.
By Eliot A. Cohen
DECEMBER 22, 2023
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/12/harvard-claudine-gay-plagarism-standards/676948/

President Gay is in a tough spot. The Harvard Corporation deserves to be in a much tougher spot, because it has betrayed the values that the university once cherished and that it still proclaims. In both cases, the remedy indicated is the one we senior tutors applied to many a student years ago: fess up, withdraw, and reflect.

What does that have to do with the war in Palestine?

[The Sultan]

So a two-state solution will never work because it means: you stay over there, and we stay over here, and we do not bother each other.

Unless you're implying a "river to the sea" solution.

LOL. You are such a joke. No ability to see anything but black and white.  It can't (yet) be a two state solution, but they can't wipe Gaza off the face of the earth, or wall them off and pretend the problem doesn't exist.

You are probably talking about a lengthy occupation, but one that hopefully comes with investment into restoring infrastructure. Maybe Israel can worth their new friends in the mideast (UAE and possibly SA) to restore the area into something other than the hellscape its been for decades. And it would be helpful from a geopolitical point of view - to turn the Palestinians from seeing Iran as their savior.

Whatever the solution, it will take a long time, patience and setbacks.

[forgetful]

Another questions of general curiosity.

I'm sure many on here support the Kurds in fighting Syria/Turkey/Iraq/Iran for their own homeland, and supported the Kosovo Albanians in uprising to support their own homeland. These are just two recent examples.

When do Scoopers support a groups right to armed military action to seek independence, and when are they against it. Do Palestinians ever have a right for armed resistance against Settlement expansion, and repression, to form an independent state?

I recognize that the "non-serious" people here just in general hate Islam, so for them, anything they do is wrong, but what about the serious scoopers (which are the majority here).

I'm largely following up on the previous question, on what would happen to the Palestinian cause, if they all put down their weapons immediately, in 1-year, 2-years, 5-years. You often see this statement, that if they put down their weapons it would all be over, but no one thought that doing so would be lead to progressing to an independent state, nor did anyone think that increased settlements, and continued Israeli incursions/detentions would cease.

History and the political stances of the far-right Israeli political parties, say that none of that would ever occur unless there is a drastic change in Israeli politics.

So is there a point at which armed uprisings by Palestinians would be viewed similarly to the Kurds/Kosovo-Albanians for Scoopers, or under no circumstances would it be ok, if the former, when? If the latter, why?

[SoCalEagle]

My fellow Catholics, please be careful when going Christmas mass since we are being attacked by the Biden administration:

"The FBI has been caught profiling devout Catholics as possible domestic terrorists and planning to send undercover spies into Catholic churches, just like in the old days of the Soviet Union."

Good ole Trump always playing the victim card.  To my Republican friends out there, this is just another example of why you get strange looks from people when you tell them you support this man. 

[Uncle Rico]

My fellow Catholics, please be careful when going Christmas mass since we are being attacked by the Biden administration:

"The FBI has been caught profiling devout Catholics as possible domestic terrorists and planning to send undercover spies into Catholic churches, just like in the old days of the Soviet Union."

Good ole Trump always playing the victim card.  To my Republican friends out there, this is just another example of why you get strange looks from people when you tell them you support this man.

Well, maybe they're just looking for pedophiles.  It's where I would start if I were trying to do a sting operation

[4everwarriors]

By supporting Gay, the Harvard Corporation (what they call their Board of Trustees) did not end this controversy but instead might have dragged them into it.

When she goes, they might also have to go and find new fellows (what they call Trustees).

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Harvard Has a Veritas Problem
President Claudine Gay is in a tough spot. The Harvard Corporation deserves to be in a much tougher spot.
By Eliot A. Cohen
DECEMBER 22, 2023
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/12/harvard-claudine-gay-plagarism-standards/676948/

President Gay is in a tough spot. The Harvard Corporation deserves to be in a much tougher spot, because it has betrayed the values that the university once cherished and that it still proclaims. In both cases, the remedy indicated is the one we senior tutors applied to many a student years ago: fess up, withdraw, and reflect.

If Gay had any moral integrity, she'd resign. And, if the Harvard Corporation had any professional competence they would have chit canned her immediately after the House hearing, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

If Gay had any moral integrity, she'd resign. And, if the Harvard Corporation had any professional competence they would have chit canned her immediately after the House hearing, aina?

She needs to.  It'll help end the war

[4everwarriors]

No Rico, its the right thing to do. She's a fraud and a phony. But wait, can that be said about members of a protected class, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

No Rico, its the right thing to do. She's a fraud and a phony. But wait, can that be said about members of a protected class, hey?

No, it can't be said by those that accuse others of being pawns

[JWags85]

My fellow Catholics, please be careful when going Christmas mass since we are being attacked by the Biden administration:

"The FBI has been caught profiling devout Catholics as possible domestic terrorists and planning to send undercover spies into Catholic churches, just like in the old days of the Soviet Union."

Good ole Trump always playing the victim card.  To my Republican friends out there, this is just another example of why you get strange looks from people when you tell them you support this man.

And this has what to do with the Israel conflict?

Another questions of general curiosity.

I'm sure many on here support the Kurds in fighting Syria/Turkey/Iraq/Iran for their own homeland, and supported the Kosovo Albanians in uprising to support their own homeland. These are just two recent examples.

When do Scoopers support a groups right to armed military action to seek independence, and when are they against it. Do Palestinians ever have a right for armed resistance against Settlement expansion, and repression, to form an independent state?

I think its varied.  I think part of the support for the Kurds in the US is in part their uprising against Syria, their efforts in fighting against ISIS, and their end goal.  Meaning I think if Kurdistan was created in some legitimate sense, the Kurds would be happy.  They don't need the eradication of Turkey, Syria, or Iraq for that to happen.  I think that is a distinctly different situation than a "Free Palestine" end game for many.  Also, I think with the exception of the PKK, Kurdish military action has been viewed as just that, military action, instead of terrorist activity with an aim of targeting civilians.

In short, I don't see a "from the river to the sea" mentality in the overall Kurdish aim.  Its like if people in the Oklahoma panhandle wanted to secede and be just the Panhandle...but didn't need Oklahoma to be eradicated for that to happen.

I'm largely following up on the previous question, on what would happen to the Palestinian cause, if they all put down their weapons immediately, in 1-year, 2-years, 5-years. You often see this statement, that if they put down their weapons it would all be over, but no one thought that doing so would be lead to progressing to an independent state, nor did anyone think that increased settlements, and continued Israeli incursions/detentions would cease.

History and the political stances of the far-right Israeli political parties, say that none of that would ever occur unless there is a drastic change in Israeli politics.

So is there a point at which armed uprisings by Palestinians would be viewed similarly to the Kurds/Kosovo-Albanians for Scoopers, or under no circumstances would it be ok, if the former, when? If the latter, why?

As for this, like I mentioned in a previous post, I think it all hinges and is predicated on a Palestinian leadership that is pragmatic, focused on the people, and with a true coexistence in mind.  One that views terrorism and antagonism against Israel as problematic and counter productive.  I think in doing that, you could see a movement towards what 2005 was supposed to be in Gaza and one that is met with widespread approval in Israel.  I can see arguments against it, but I firmly believe the strength and momentum of the Israeli far right movement has directly fed off of Hamas's aggression and Fatah's letting down of the Palestinian people.

[Pakuni]

And this has what to do with the Israel conflict?

Nvm

[Pakuni]

No Rico, its the right thing to do. She's a fraud and a phony. But wait, can that be said about members of a protected class, hey?