Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[TSmith34, Inc.]

He should stick to catching passes

[JWags85]

He should stick to catching passes

I originally read it as Gronk as well...and already had started to get popcorn ready.

[forgetful]

Its nuance, but I think they are actually anti-semitic, but in the sense that they rebuke and "disown" all Jews who don't follow their way of thinking, if you're not with us we hate you like you're against us.  Same way lunatics like Westboro hate and despise all Christians who are not as extreme and principled as them.  Many of the ultra Jihadist Muslims would easily condemn and kill any "Westernized" Muslims who lived in a way they don't align with.

I was having a conversation with my cousin who is a reform Jew, worked for a Jewish non profit for awhile post college, and is fairly involved with Jewish social circles in Chicago.  I asked if she knew any Jews that were against Israel, in theory or practice.  I don't mean Jews who want a ceasefire or freedom for Palestine/sympathy for Palestinian cause, I mean full anti-Zionism or the idea of the state of Israel, not criticism or opposition to current government policies.  She only knew one, and it was the cousin of one of her friends, who was largely estranged from their family. 

The reason I asked was because the only people Ive seen with that mindset are completely secular Jews who, beyond religion, have no ties, connection, or meaningful cultural interest in their Jewish background.  They just use it as a cudgel to be like "see, I'm a Jew and I also think Israel is a colonizing, disgusting, apartheid state, so it can't be anti-semitic".  Despite their genetics, they have zero shared interest or commonality to the cultural or historical basis or desire for the state of Israel.

I don't disagree with your logic. It is also nuance, but I would still disagree with an assertion that being anti-Zionist automatically equates to being anti-Semitic. The two overlap considerably, but there are certainly parts of the anti-Zionist group, including Jewish populations, that have no issue/bias with/against Jewish people at all. The reason I'm careful about these definitions, is I fear that calling everything "anti-semitic" actually weakens the value of the word, which can lead to a permission structure for more outright anti-semitic activity.

I had drafted a longer response with some examples, but figured You, I, and a handful of others might appreciate the discussion, whereas others would just go off on the topic and it would spiral into a meaningless pile of words. Since I truly think we are closer to agreement than disagreement, I decided not to post it.

[Heisenberg]

https://x.com/RepStefanik/status/1733608373990343015?s=20

Rep. Elise Stefanik
@RepStefanik


One down.
Two to go.

This is only the very beginning of addressing the pervasive rot of antisemitism that has destroyed the most "prestigious" higher education institutions in America.

This forced resignation of the President of @Penn is the bare minimum of what is required.

These universities can anticipate a robust and comprehensive Congressional investigation of all facets of their institutions negligent perpetration of antisemitism including administrative, faculty, and overall leadership and governance.

@Harvard and @MIT, do the right thing. The world is watching.

In the case of @Harvard, President Gay was asked by me 17x whether calling for the genocide of Jews violates Harvard's code of conduct.
She spoke her truth 17x. And the world heard.

In the case of @MIT, Dr. Kornbluth answered the question. "If targeted at individuals" ie dehumanizing the Jewish people in her answer.

[4everwarriors]

Bravo! MIT, Harvard, and Penn will not be fine, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

[Uncle Rico]

Bravo! MIT, Harvard, and Penn will not be fine, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

Yes, they will.  The surest thing they will be is, you think they won't be, hey?  #alwayswrong

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Grok weighs in on Zionism and Judaism:

https://x.com/benfrubinstein/status/1733602333257277611?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

Gotta admit this is a far funnier outcome than I was ever expecting

https://x.com/edzitron/status/1733574728789746081?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

https://x.com/edzitron/status/1733341212831269348?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

Heisy don't read this

[Heisenberg]

Gotta admit this is a far funnier outcome than I was ever expecting

https://x.com/edzitron/status/1733574728789746081?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

https://x.com/edzitron/status/1733341212831269348?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

Heisy don't read this

Why not?

[JWags85]

Gotta admit this is a far funnier outcome than I was ever expecting

https://x.com/edzitron/status/1733574728789746081?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

https://x.com/edzitron/status/1733341212831269348?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

Heisy don't read this

People's infatuation with the Musk family partial ownership of an emerald mine is beyond baffling to me.  There are more and more reasons everyday to shake your head at his stupidity and attempted galaxy brain than trying to create a scenario in which he didn't actual succeed financially, he must have come from IMMENSE high 9 figure wealth already.  I know a guy who inherited controlling stakes in 2 large emerald mines in Colombia and he easily makes less money annually than one of the better paid engineers at Tesla or SpaceX, much less management.  A good rule of thumb in high value colored gemstones is take 5-7% of the retail price and thats the initial transaction price from the mine to the first buyer.

Its probably the same sort of myopic people who are hoping that Greg Joseph gets his leg broken this weekend because of his Israel centric cleats and saying he supports genocide...except that its benefiting the country's largest food bank which is not government affiliated.  But he's a white South African who supports Israel so... tHe JoKes WrItE tHeMsElVeS.  Cause you know that means he's pro apartheid despite being born there after it was over and moving to the US as a young child. 

What a blessed time for social media!  And thanks in advance for 15 prompts that NASP is gonna feed into Grok now.

[JWags85]

I had drafted a longer response with some examples, but figured You, I, and a handful of others might appreciate the discussion, whereas others would just go off on the topic and it would spiral into a meaningless pile of words. Since I truly think we are closer to agreement than disagreement, I decided not to post it.

We're likely pretty close, don't disagree.  Still would be interested to read it, feel free to shoot me a PM.  I get annoyed by so much of the dumb crap I stumble across on a daily basis as it pertains to this conflict (see the post above) that I appreciate the challenging nuanced dialogue as it helps reground everything and make me critically think.

[MU82]

Its nuance, but I think they are actually anti-semitic, but in the sense that they rebuke and "disown" all Jews who don't follow their way of thinking, if you're not with us we hate you like you're against us.  Same way lunatics like Westboro hate and despise all Christians who are not as extreme and principled as them.  Many of the ultra Jihadist Muslims would easily condemn and kill any "Westernized" Muslims who lived in a way they don't align with.

I was having a conversation with my cousin who is a reform Jew, worked for a Jewish non profit for awhile post college, and is fairly involved with Jewish social circles in Chicago.  I asked if she knew any Jews that were against Israel, in theory or practice.  I don't mean Jews who want a ceasefire or freedom for Palestine/sympathy for Palestinian cause, I mean full anti-Zionism or the idea of the state of Israel, not criticism or opposition to current government policies.  She only knew one, and it was the cousin of one of her friends, who was largely estranged from their family. 

The reason I asked was because the only people Ive seen with that mindset are completely secular Jews who, beyond religion, have no ties, connection, or meaningful cultural interest in their Jewish background.  They just use it as a cudgel to be like "see, I'm a Jew and I also think Israel is a colonizing, disgusting, apartheid state, so it can't be anti-semitic".  Despite their genetics, they have zero shared interest or commonality to the cultural or historical basis or desire for the state of Israel.

Hmmm.

[Heisenberg]

Yes, they will.  The surest thing they will be is, you think they won't be, hey?  #alwayswrong

Depends on what you mean by "fine." I get your definition ... as long as the campuses of Harvard, MIT, and Penn are not smoking holes in the ground, you'll say they are "fine."

Ackman's description below is more on the mark.

(and I'll throw in Larry Summers is saying that elite universities are facing their biggest crisis since the Vietnam war, and maybe their biggest crisis in anyone's lifetime.)

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https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1733629882117091830?s=20

Non-profit boards are often slow to act because they don't have feedback from a massive stock drop and angry shareholders screaming at the directors. That said, the alumni are certainly screaming and they are shorting their donations.

The proverbial stock prices of Harvard and MIT have dropped more than 50% since the October 6th close, while @Penn's has bounced 20% off the lows based on today's news, but is still down 40%.

Penn's recovery will depend on whether and how its board is refreshed, who they choose as their next president, and whether they make necessary fundamental changes to the institution.

The same holds true for the others.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

People's infatuation with the Musk family partial ownership of an emerald mine is beyond baffling to me.  There are more and more reasons everyday to shake your head at his stupidity and attempted galaxy brain than trying to create a scenario in which he didn't actual succeed financially, he must have come from IMMENSE high 9 figure wealth already.  I know a guy who inherited controlling stakes in 2 large emerald mines in Colombia and he easily makes less money annually than one of the better paid engineers at Tesla or SpaceX, much less management.  A good rule of thumb in high value colored gemstones is take 5-7% of the retail price and thats the initial transaction price from the mine to the first buyer.

Its probably the same sort of myopic people who are hoping that Greg Joseph gets his leg broken this weekend because of his Israel centric cleats and saying he supports genocide...except that its benefiting the country's largest food bank which is not government affiliated.  But he's a white South African who supports Israel so... tHe JoKes WrItE tHeMsElVeS.  Cause you know that means he's pro apartheid despite being born there after it was over and moving to the US as a young child. 

What a blessed time for social media!  And thanks in advance for 15 prompts that NASP is gonna feed into Grok now.

It's funny output of his AI system. I wouldn't overthink it too much and wouldn't write paragraphs being upset about it.

[The Sultan]

Depends on what you mean by "fine." I get your definition ... as long as the campuses of Harvard, MIT, and Penn are not smoking holes in the ground, you'll say they are "fine."

Ackman's description below is more on the mark.

(and I'll throw in Larry Summers is saying that elite universities are facing their biggest crisis since the Vietnam war, and maybe their biggest crisis in anyone's lifetime.)

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https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1733629882117091830?s=20

Non-profit boards are often slow to act because they don't have feedback from a massive stock drop and angry shareholders screaming at the directors. That said, the alumni are certainly screaming and they are shorting their donations.

The proverbial stock prices of Harvard and MIT have dropped more than 50% since the October 6th close, while @Penn's has bounced 20% off the lows based on today's news, but is still down 40%.

Penn's recovery will depend on whether and how its board is refreshed, who they choose as their next president, and whether they make necessary fundamental changes to the institution.

The same holds true for the others.

"Proverbial stock prices?" LOL. What a f*cking stupid analogy.

They will be fine in that they will have the same student demand, have the same basis number of students and the same basic number of employees that they usually have. And they will have dimwits like yourself thinking they are somehow representative of American higher education overall.

They will all be just fine. It's but a bump in their road.

[4everwarriors]

Nope, cultural change in da works, hey?

[The Sultan]

Nope, cultural change in da works, hey?

I know why you think so, but you'd be wrong again.

[JWags85]

It's funny output of his AI system. I wouldn't overthink it too much and wouldn't write paragraphs being upset about it.

The whole AI is amusing, don't disagree there.  I was just meaning the sentiment/theory that people are still hung up on to the extent that it's still something that's thought about.  I'm not losing sleep over it, I'm not gonna shotgun another 5000 words and link 25 articles about it.  It's just stupid and emblematic of our cultural all or nothing fixations with public figures.

[Heisenberg]

Nope, cultural change in da works, hey?

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-day-the-empress-clothes-fell-ffa
It may be too much to expect that the Congressional hearings this week, starring the three presidents of Harvard, MIT, and Penn, will wake people up to the toxic collapse of America's once-great Ivy League. But I can hope, can't I? In the immortal words of Hitch (peace be upon him), as you listen to these people, "You see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they have dined."

Maureen Dowd
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/09/opinion/antisemitism-university-presidents.html
"The culture on campuses is a culture of oppressors and oppressed. Israel is now Goliath and no longer David — though God knows it has mortal enemies capable of the most astonishing savagery. The Jews were long ago stricken from the roles of the oppressed because they were seen as white and privileged. We are a culture which loves victims and worships victimization and gives great moral authority to victims, but we don't treat all victims equally."

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Dowd nails it. The entire woke premise is built on the opposer/oppressed matrix. This is falling apart.

Jews thought they were part of the oppressed class because, you know, they have been oppressed and progromed for thousands of years. But the cold reality they learned in the last two months is they are really at the bottom of the oppressor/oppressed matrix. They are privileged white people. So, they can only be oppressors, never oppressed, and are being treated as such, with hate and disdain, as many posters here are doing (hint, they're the ones that have to say they think Israel has to exist and defend itself because it is not clear from their posts).

College donors, trustees, and the American public are now waking up to the cold reality that no acts of violence or barbarism are too much when it is directed against white privileged oppressors. That is them, so they are finally demanding this end. And it will.

So, yes, cultural change is in the works. This worries Fluffer, which is why he only posts ad hominem/swearing attacks. He sees his progressive worldview crumbling and has become a version of 82 with Jewish Space Lasters.

[The Sultan]

It doesn't worry me in the least.  You and 4ever are simply too online fighting culture wars and have a complete lack of sense of reality.

I mean, saying "Dowd nails it" should probably provide a lesson for you in an ironic kind of way.  But it won't because your bubble has created your reality.

[Uncle Rico]

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-day-the-empress-clothes-fell-ffa
It may be too much to expect that the Congressional hearings this week, starring the three presidents of Harvard, MIT, and Penn, will wake people up to the toxic collapse of America's once-great Ivy League. But I can hope, can't I? In the immortal words of Hitch (peace be upon him), as you listen to these people, "You see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they have dined."

Maureen Dowd
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/09/opinion/antisemitism-university-presidents.html
"The culture on campuses is a culture of oppressors and oppressed. Israel is now Goliath and no longer David — though God knows it has mortal enemies capable of the most astonishing savagery. The Jews were long ago stricken from the roles of the oppressed because they were seen as white and privileged. We are a culture which loves victims and worships victimization and gives great moral authority to victims, but we don't treat all victims equally."

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Dowd nails it. The entire woke premise is built on the opposer/oppressed matrix. This is falling apart.

Jews thought they were part of the oppressed class because, you know, they have been oppressed and progromed for thousands of years. But the cold reality they learned in the last two months is they are really at the bottom of the oppressor/oppressed matrix. They are privileged white people. So, they can only be oppressors, never oppressed, and are being treated as such, with hate and disdain, as many posters here are doing (hint, they're the ones that have to say they think Israel has to exist and defend itself because it is not clear from their posts).

College donors, trustees, and the American public are now waking up to the cold reality that no acts of violence or barbarism are too much when it is directed against white privileged oppressors. That is them, so they are finally demanding this end. And it will.

So, yes, cultural change is in the works. This worries Fluffer, which is why he only posts ad hominem/swearing attacks. He sees his progressive worldview crumbling and has become a version of 82 with Jewish Space Lasters.

lol

[jesmu84]

@davidsirota

Things that are bad (in no particular order):

- Netanyahu

- Hamas

- Killing of civilians

- Rhetoric demanding the genocide of any people

- Billionaires controlling the discourse

[MU82]

Douchey, isn't it time for you to post more Fox News links about "terrorist attacks" on the U.S.-Canadian border?

[Heisenberg]

Douchey, isn't it time for you to post more Fox News links about "terrorist attacks" on the U.S.-Canadian border?

I will the next time it happens

[MU82]

I will the next time it happens

The next time terrorists actually attack America (as in what happened at the Capitol on 1/6/21), or the next time a Fox News pretend terrorist attack happens (as in what you were conned into posting last month)?

[Heisenberg]

FIFY

@davidsirota

Things that are bad (in no particular order):

- Netanyahu The Jewish leader in Israel

- Hamas Like five people in Gaza

- Killing of civilians What the Jews are doing (not Hamas)

- Rhetoric demanding the genocide of any people Or, "Israel has the right to defend itself."

- Billionaires controlling the discourse Rich White Jews Expressing an Opinion (they are supposed to shut up and pay, right)