Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Heisenberg]

Man you are super deep into this weird culture war political bs. You should take a break from the internet and cable news man.

What is a culture war?

[4everwarriors]

https://apple.news/AxiDdP9L4TGGSd_IF45aJEg


Bravo Ross Stevens and Stone Ridge Asset Management. Maybe Penn won't be fine, Fluffy, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

https://apple.news/AxiDdP9L4TGGSd_IF45aJEg


Bravo Ross Stevens and Stone Ridge Asset Management. Maybe Penn won't be fine, Fluffy, hey?

They will be

[Pakuni]

Can't stop now.  The battle lines are reforming over the War on XMas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A9XIcYUG-8

[Uncle Rico]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A9XIcYUG-8

It's pretty anti-semitic to celebrate Christmas this year.  That's why I'm cancelling my donation to Marquette

[MU82]

Becuase counter-protestors got violent. (I'm suggesting this was a failure of law enforcement to keep the two groups apart ... something we have seen all too often in the last two months).

And why were the counter protestors so big and aggressive, because they so vehemently opposed to their message. 

And, to be clear, I agree with this, but not the aggressive nature that lead to violence.

It's not especially surprising but it is perfect that the people you had the biggest problem with in Charlottesville were NOT the very fine white supremacists who were trying to justify racist and treasonous symbols, were NOT the very fine neo-Nazis carrying torches and chanting antisemitic slogans, and was NOT the very fine murderer.

Effen antifa! Just like on 1/6/21. Always antifa. And Soros. And The Deep State.

Keep up the fight, Douchey.

[Skatastrophy]

Happy Hanukkah everyone, including all the anti-semites on Scoop.

[Hards Alumni]

Let's cut to the chase.


Is it your contention that Universities have been applying their code of conduct and the application of the First Amendment consistently across all protests?

That they treat priests against LBGT, gender, pro-life, and even uncomfortable protests from white kids in favor of their race (in previous years past), or defense of the confederate flag/statues, the same as they are currently treating the anti-Israel/Anti-Semitic protests?

I believe like many they have not. They came down harsh on the protests they did not like (like those listed above) and not have "suddenly" have become first amendment warriors when it comes to the anti-Semitic protests happening now (and again last night at many universities).

Do you think Universities would apply their code of conduct, and First Amendment obligations consistently here?

Holding a Palestinian flag, wearing a keffiyeh, and calling for Intafida (which is a violent uprising against Jews)
=
Holding a confederate flag, wearing a KKK hood, and calling for lynchings.

Too far gone.

[Pakuni]

Happy Hanukkah everyone, including all the anti-semites on Scoop.

So, everyone.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Let's cut to the chase.


Is it your contention that Universities have been applying their code of conduct and the application of the First Amendment consistently across all protests?

That they treat priests against LBGT, gender, pro-life, and even uncomfortable protests from white kids in favor of their race (in previous years past), or defense of the confederate flag/statues, the same as they are currently treating the anti-Israel/Anti-Semitic protests?

I believe like many they have not. They came down harsh on the protests they did not like (like those listed above) and not have "suddenly" have become first amendment warriors when it comes to the anti-Semitic protests happening now (and again last night at many universities).

Do you think Universities would apply their code of conduct, and First Amendment obligations consistently here?

Holding a Palestinian flag, wearing a keffiyeh, and calling for Intafida (which is a violent uprising against Jews)
=
Holding a confederate flag, wearing a KKK hood, and calling for lynchings.

When it comes to punishing students and employees for protected speech,  yes i do.

Can you give me one example of a university punishing someone for participating in a protest (and nothing else)?

Until you can do that,  your argument has no legs to stand on.

[Skatastrophy]

So, everyone.

Everyone except the haters

[Heisenberg]

It's not especially surprising but it is perfect that the people you had the biggest problem with in Charlottesville were NOT the very fine white supremacists who were trying to justify racist and treasonous symbols, were NOT the very fine neo-Nazis carrying torches and chanting antisemitic slogans, and was NOT the very fine murderer.

Effen antifa! Just like on 1/6/21. Always antifa. And Soros. And The Deep State.

Keep up the fight, Douchey.

I lost my 82 decoder ring, so I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

[Heisenberg]

When it comes to punishing students and employees for protected speech,  yes i do.

Can you give me one example of a university punishing someone for participating in a protest (and nothing else)?

Until you can do that,  your argument has no legs to stand on.

I asked Is it your contention that Universities have been applying their code of conduct and the application of the First Amendment consistently across all protests?

You redefined what I wrote into a very narrow definition to eliminate many types of code of conduct and First Amendment applications.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wisconsin-marquette/wisconsin-top-court-orders-marquette-to-reinstate-conservative-professor-idUSKBN1JW2F2/

[Heisenberg]

Wharton board calls on Penn president Liz Magill to resign
https://www.axios.com/2023/12/08/penn-antisemitism-wharton-magill-resign

University of Pennsylvania President Liz Magill is being asked to resign by the board of Penn's Wharton business school, according to a letter obtained by Axios.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I asked Is it your contention that Universities have been applying their code of conduct and the application of the First Amendment consistently across all protests?

You redefined what I wrote into a very narrow definition to eliminate many types of code of conduct and First Amendment applications.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wisconsin-marquette/wisconsin-top-court-orders-marquette-to-reinstate-conservative-professor-idUSKBN1JW2F2/

Heisey, the only conversation I have ever had in this thread is whether universities can punish students and employees for protected speech (which is what Ackman and others like him are calling for universities to do). I'm not sure what "many types of code of conduct" you are referring to, but I am referring to any and all university policies. I am also not sure what you mean by "many types of First Amendment applications" but I am and only ever have been discussing universities' ability to punish students and employees for protected speech.

I was wondering when you or someone would try to use the McAdams case in this discussion. McAdams was not a first amendment case despite conservatives trying to paint it as one. McAdams had posted conservative hot taeks on his blog for decades without any sort of action from Marquette. Marquette was very clear that he was suspended due to doxxing a graduate student after previously being warned not to dox students (a suspension that could/would have been ended if McAdams had apologized for doxxing the student but McAdams refused). Marquette asserted (correctly imo) that this was harassment (which is not protected by the first amendment). The Milwaukee County Circuit Court agreed and dismissed the case. The conservative controlled state supreme court didn't even attempt a first amendment argument, rather they decided that Marquette violated their contract with McAdams by considering an extramural comment which they argued was not allowed when considering the revocation of tenure and fell under the protection of academic freedom (which is different from the First Amendment). And what has always been hilarious to me about this decision is that a conservative controlled court voted to strengthen the protections of tenure. So the next time a liberal professor in Wisconsin makes an extramural comment about being anti-White or anti-Israel and takes to harassing students to make their point, they can thank the the conservative justices of Wisconsin Supreme Court for making sure they still have a job.

Now I asked you a question about your contention that universities "came down harsh on protests they did not like". Can you provide me with an example where a student or employee was punished simply for participating in a protest? I imagine that at least a few isolated examples exist, but my guess is that you don't actually know of any and are just repeating talking points.

[The Sultan]

https://apple.news/AxiDdP9L4TGGSd_IF45aJEg


Bravo Ross Stevens and Stone Ridge Asset Management. Maybe Penn won't be fine, Fluffy, hey?

They absolutely will be fine.

[rocket surgeon]

They absolutely will be fine.

  of course they will be.  they always have the ole biden center with it's influx of $14 mil from "un named" chinese donors and another $2.5mil from the saudi's to fall back on.  nothing to do with his "smartest guy he knows" influence err anything cuz he never discussed any CEFC biness with him or his syndicate.  at least not on any of his numerous flights on airforce 2...allegedly

[4everwarriors]

Wharton's board now calling for university prez to resign 👏🏻.
Bravo for the pushback and Penn will not be ok, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

[Uncle Rico]

  of course they will be.  they always have the ole biden center with it's influx of $14 mil from "un named" chinese donors and another $2.5mil from the saudi's to fall back on.  nothing to do with his "smartest guy he knows" influence err anything cuz he never discussed any CEFC biness with him or his syndicate.  at least not on any of his numerous flights on airforce 2...allegedly

9 out of 10

[Uncle Rico]

Wharton's board now calling for university prez to resign 👏🏻.
Bravo for the pushback and Penn will not be ok, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

Penn will be just fine

[The Sultan]

Yeah the President will be fired, they will hire a new President, and they will somehow managed with their low acceptance rate and billion dollar endowment.

[Uncle Rico]

Yeah the President will be fired, they will hire a new President, and they will somehow managed with their low acceptance rate and billion dollar endowment.

They're just pawns anyway

[MU82]

Wharton's board now calling for university prez to resign 👏🏻.
Bravo for the pushback and Penn will not be ok, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

If only someone would call on Elon Musk, MTG and Gosar to resign.

#hypocritesaplenty

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I could certainly be wrong but I think the Presidents won't be removed until this dies down. Then they will appoint interims and do long searches so that when they do make a hire,  the new president doesn't have to deal with any of this.

Because the reality is,  if they are removed,  theyre still not going to punish students for protected speech. And the anti-americans who want students punished for protected speech won't be satisfied until that happens.  So they will keep these presidents as their sin eaters and then sacrifice them once it's safe for a new president to come in. Unless they decide they're sick of this and resign on their own

[21Jumpstreet]

Some news leaking out that the Penn board will ask Magill to resign. If she doesn't, she may be fired. I didn't think she would survive this, but I'm uncomfortable that she is being bullied out. This morning was the first time I thought maybe attending Penn could be a detriment to my son.