Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

Tweeted yesterday

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1725898682438979972?s=20

@elonmusk is not an antisemite. I agree with @benshapiro's assessment of the situation.

It is remarkable how quickly the world stands ready to attack Musk for his shoot from the hip commentary. 

Musk is not perfect, but the world is a vastly better place because of him.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1725702681530945687?s=20

It's incredible, but completely predictable, that you would be hypocritical here.

[MU82]

Tweeted yesterday

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1725898682438979972?s=20

@elonmusk is not an antisemite. I agree with @benshapiro's assessment of the situation.

It is remarkable how quickly the world stands ready to attack Musk for his shoot from the hip commentary. 

Musk is not perfect, but the world is a vastly better place because of him.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1725702681530945687?s=20

Perfect. Twist into a pretzel to justify and/or overlook the obvious, overt antisemitism of the rich, powerful "pawn" ... but be sure to attack powerless, dopey college kids. Just as several Scoopers have done.

[forgetful]

Perfect. Twist into a pretzel to justify and/or overlook the obvious, overt antisemitism of the rich, powerful "pawn" ... but be sure to attack powerless, dopey college kids. Just as several Scoopers have done.

I'm glad I have him on ignore now. Ridiculous to defend Musk here.

[Uncle Rico]

Chef's kisses!

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Do people think musk will give them some of his money if they breathlessly defend him at all times? I don't get it.

He's a guy who pushed forward a lot of technology and products but that doesn't mean he isn't an unfunny faux edgy half troll.

[MuggsyB]

Can't we just agree to hate all religious people equally?

It's probably a separate discussion but I don't get the impression the main reason forJew hatred is religious in nature today. I feel it's more about a minority group being inordinately successful.  It's freaking crazy imo.  If anything they should be showered with praise and admiration for persevering and making tremendous contributions to the world.  I think most people have no idea and would be shocked at how small the Jewish population is worldwide. 

[forgetful]

It's probably a separate discussion but I don't get the impression the main reason forJew hatred is religious in nature today. I feel it's more about a minority group being inordinately successful.  It's freaking crazy imo.  If anything they should be showered with praise and admiration for persevering and making tremendous contributions to the world.  I think most people have no idea and would be shocked at how small the Jewish population is worldwide.

A lot of the anti-semitism can be rooted into two groups.

1) Far-right groups. These are definitely motivated by religion, and the hatred for Jewish people is ancient. It stems from religious beliefs that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion, and later a refusal to convert to Christianity.

A quote from Martin Luther after he was angered that they would not convert:  "Their synagogues... should be set on fire, and what does not burn must be covered over with earth so that no man will ever see stone or cinder of them again," he said. "Their houses also should be razed and destroyed.... All their prayer books... should be taken from them."

https://www.ajc.org/news/understanding-the-origins-of-antisemitism

2) Some Muslim groups. These are also definitely motivated by religion, but more recently really a reaction to Israel.

There are other reasons obviously. But the primary ones are religious in origin.

[MU82]

Do people think musk will give them some of his money if they breathlessly defend him at all times? I don't get it.

He's a guy who pushed forward a lot of technology and products but that doesn't mean he isn't an unfunny faux edgy half troll.

He's got issues, but this really isn't about that.

In this particular case, Musk has been overtly antisemitic ... except to those who want to excuse or justify it. It's similar to protecting their favorite politicians.

Meanwhile, those same people will scream "ANTISEMITE!" at college kids, celebrities, CEOs, non-favorite politicians, fellow Scoopers or anybody else who disagrees with them.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Skatastrophy]

Tweeted yesterday

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1725898682438979972?s=20

@elonmusk is not an antisemite. I agree with @benshapiro's assessment of the situation.

It is remarkable how quickly the world stands ready to attack Musk for his shoot from the hip commentary. 

Musk is not perfect, but the world is a vastly better place because of him.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1725702681530945687?s=20

Fuckin lol

[21Jumpstreet]

A wise man and former boss once told me he who speaks most ends up the biggest bleep-hole. The fact is, 100% one way or another is dangerous and not only ignores nuance but actively dismisses a vast number of people and perspectives as irrelevant and unimportant.

Elon Musk is clearly an antisemite as it has been categorized here in Scoop. Is he? I don't have any idea.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

unnatural carnal knowledgein lol

"Shoot from the hip commentary" means it wasn't well thought out antisemitism, it was just haphazard antisemitism. Which he then repeated. Again and again.

[Lennys Tap]

You really think that all of this has to do with Biden's withdrawl from Afghanistan?  That is a incredibly myopic view that is shaped way too much how one views American politics more than anything.

I think that and his stance on the border and energy production (both national security issues) were the beginning. Then came his decisions to try to cozy up to Iran and China. Put 'em in a blender....and Gates looks prescient.

[The Sultan]

I think that and his stance on the border and energy production (both national security issues) were the beginning. Then came his decisions to try to cozy up to Iran and China. Put 'em in a blender....and Gates looks prescient.

LOL....the border lead to this???  Are you sure you're not a dentist?

[4everwarriors]

No question that the world perceives the U.S. as weak militarily and vulnerable with a puppet fixated on stuffing his pockets, hey?


#peacethrustrength

[The Sultan]

No question that the world perceives the U.S. as weak militarily and vulnerable with a puppet fixated on stuffing his pockets, hey?

LOL...boomers are so damn hopeless.

[Heisenberg]

Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the ADL, praised Musk in a tweet Friday for helping to fight antisemitism.

https://x.com/JGreenblattADL/status/1725652667119092100?s=20

This is an important and welcome move by @elonmusk. I appreciate this leadership in fighting hate.


https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435?s=20

As I said earlier this week, "decolonization", "from the river to the sea" and similar euphemisms necessarily imply genocide.
Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension.

[MuggsyB]

A lot of the anti-semitism can be rooted into two groups.

1) Far-right groups. These are definitely motivated by religion, and the hatred for Jewish people is ancient. It stems from religious beliefs that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion, and later a refusal to convert to Christianity.

A quote from Martin Luther after he was angered that they would not convert:  "Their synagogues... should be set on fire, and what does not burn must be covered over with earth so that no man will ever see stone or cinder of them again," he said. "Their houses also should be razed and destroyed.... All their prayer books... should be taken from them."

https://www.ajc.org/news/understanding-the-origins-of-antisemitism

2) Some Muslim groups. These are also definitely motivated by religion, but more recently really a reaction to Israel.

There are other reasons obviously. But the primary ones are religious in origin.

What about far-left groups?  None of them are antisemitic?

[Uncle Rico]

Double chef's kisses

Truly incredible stuff

[MUBurrow]

Funny thing, though. None of this crape ever happened when the bad man was president. But when the good man oversaw our disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, things changed. Enemies smelled weakness, confirmed when the good guy tried to make nice with China and Iran. So we ended up with war in Europe, war in the Middle East and the likelihood of war in Asia (Taiwan). Obama's Secretary of Defense warned us that nice guy Joe had never (in 30+ years) been on the correct side of any foreign policy decision but no biggie, right? He's a nice man and that's all that really matters. Sheesh.

The new Sam Harris podcast is worth a listen. He chats with Yuval Noah Harari, Israeli author of Sapiens. I'm about halfway in or so, and it's already been thought provoking and smartly discussed and presented.

I put these together because Harari's focus is generally on the importance of defending and upholding an international order based on liberal values. (I agree its a great listen and though I generally like Harris, I wish he would have let Harari cook.)

I think there are two primary metrics to judge an administration's forign policy - consistency and execution.  While interrelated, we often mistake a criticism of one for the other. For example, the Afghanistan withdrawal was incompetent- a failure in execution.  There is a valid debate about whether that debacle precludes giving Biden a good score in that category, even though the implementation of the rest of his agenda has been (imo and in Harari's) generally solid.  Biden is also far less dovish than generally assumed.  He and Obama were both far more willing to exercise US military power than the right give them credit for - Obama with drone strikes and Biden with military support and repositioning carriers in response to the Ukraine invasion and attack on Israel. 

What steams me about the characterization of Trump's foreign policy as deterrent through strength is that it mistakes inconsistency and unpredictability for strength.  To the extent Trump's foreign policy positions had a chilling effect on enemy aggression, it wasn't because he exerted strength.  It was because he was a chimp with a gun. No one anywhere looked at Trump and said "there is a guy not to be messed with because he will respond strongly."  They looked at him and said "holy crap he might do anything." Inconsistency and unpredictability can be an effective international strategy, but not in the hands of the preeminent world power.  Wielded by the US, to the extent that unpredictability lends to a short term pause in aggressive behavior, its at the cost of long term liberal order of the type Harari describes.  Its not a sustainable international modus operandi.

[forgetful]

What about far-left groups?  None of them are antisemitic?

See the last line of my post. No where did I say no far-left groups are antisemitic.

Only said the primary drivers are religious and gave the two primary religious drivers.

[MuggsyB]

See the last line of my post. No where did I say no far-left groups are antisemitic.

Only said the primary drivers are religious and gave the two primary religious drivers.

You conveniently omitted those that are antisemitic whose hatred has nothing to do with religion.  I disagree that the primary drivers of antisemitism in the USA today are religious. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

You conveniently omitted those that are antisemitic whose hatred has nothing to do with religion.  I disagree that the primary drivers of antisemitism in the USA today are religious.

Of course they are religious. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

LOL...boomers are so damn hopeless.

Didn't you know? Obama is really the President. SMH.

Proof they will believe *anything*.

[forgetful]

You conveniently omitted those that are antisemitic whose hatred has nothing to do with religion.  I disagree that the primary drivers of antisemitism in the USA today are religious.

Studies of left-leaning young Americans suggest those that are anti-semitic the origins are also based in religion.

1) They tend to be more likely to side with Palestinians in the Palestine/Israel war. For these groups, where anti-semitism is present, they typically hold Jewish people responsible for Israeli actions.

2) They have a distain for religion-based bad actors. They are equally likely to hold Catholics responsible for bad actions by the Vatican, as they are holding Jewish people responsible for bad actions by Israel.

Many of these people have a general belief that religion causes many of the worlds ills. So they are still religion based.

I focused on the other ones, because those are the two largest groups with widespread anti-semitism.

[MU82]

Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the ADL, praised Musk in a tweet Friday for helping to fight antisemitism.

https://x.com/JGreenblattADL/status/1725652667119092100?s=20

This is an important and welcome move by @elonmusk. I appreciate this leadership in fighting hate.


https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435?s=20

As I said earlier this week, "decolonization", "from the river to the sea" and similar euphemisms necessarily imply genocide.
Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension.

Wait ... I thought Musk didn't "interest" you.

He's an antisemite, but go ahead and pretend otherwise.

I think that and his stance on the border and energy production (both national security issues) were the beginning. Then came his decisions to try to cozy up to Iran and China. Put 'em in a blender....and Gates looks prescient.

Wow, Tony - lots of BDS in your posts lately. You're better than that!