Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[MU82]

Actually Nads, you're wrong. The real danger is the BOTUS who's advocatin' for a two state solution, aka talkin' outta both sides of his ass so as not to piss off all voters or his puppeteer, BO. It doesn't take a history PhD to know that will never be sustainable. Not when Palestinians willingly use their children as human shields, are suicide bombers, and find it a mitzvah to die for Allah, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neverforget

Biden's op/ed in the Washington Post was right on. Hamas absolutely must be eliminated; and, down the road, a two-state solution is needed if there is ever to be any chance of peace in the region. He has been consistent on this, and the empathy and calm he brings to the situation has been welcome.

Thank goodness, the ex-president who surrounds himself with antisemites and who cares only about his own power, is no longer overseeing anything other than his own criminal defense.

But maybe he still can send Jared back into the Middle East to secure another $2B for himself.

Oh, and good deflection from Musk. On your list of your favorite antisemites, does he rank ahead of or behind Ms. Jewish Space Laser?

[Heisenberg]

Biden's op/ed in the Washington Post was right on. Hamas absolutely must be eliminated; and, down the road, a two-state solution is needed if there is ever to be any chance of peace in the region. He has been consistent on this, and the empathy and calm he brings to the situation has been welcome.

Thank goodness, the ex-president who surrounds himself with antisemites and who cares only about his own power, is no longer overseeing anything other than his own criminal defense.

But maybe he still can send Jared back into the Middle East to secure another $2B for himself.

Oh, and good deflection from Musk. On your list of your favorite antisemites, does he rank ahead of or behind Ms. Jewish Space Laser?

Good post until your Trump Derangement Syndrome took hold. Give it a rest, man! We get it. (Hint: You did not need to write "Jewish Space Lasers" for the 984th time in a post.)

Meanwhile, a serious question. Who represents the Palestinians when negotiating a two-state solution?

[Lennys Tap]

Thank goodness, the ex-president who surrounds himself with antisemites and who cares only about his own power, is no longer overseeing anything other than his own criminal defense.

Funny thing, though. None of this shite ever happened when the bad man was president. But when the good man oversaw our disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, things changed. Enemies smelled weakness, confirmed when the good guy tried to make nice with China and Iran. So we ended up with war in Europe, war in the Middle East and the likelihood of war in Asia (Taiwan). Obama's Secretary of Defense warned us that nice guy Joe had never (in 30+ years) been on the correct side of any foreign policy decision but no biggie, right? He's a nice man and that's all that really matters. Sheesh.

[The Sultan]

Funny thing, though. None of this crape ever happened when the bad man was president. But when the good man oversaw our disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, things changed. Enemies smelled weakness, confirmed when the good guy tried to make nice with China and Iran. So we ended up with war in Europe, war in the Middle East and the likelihood of war in Asia (Taiwan). Obama's Secretary of Defense warned us that nice guy Joe had never (in 30+ years) been on the correct side of any foreign policy decision but no biggie, right? He's a nice man and that's all that really matters. Sheesh.

You really think that all of this has to do with Biden's withdrawl from Afghanistan?  That is a incredibly myopic view that is shaped way too much how one views American politics more than anything.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

You really think that all of this has to do with Biden's withdrawl from Afghanistan?  That is a incredibly myopic view that is shaped way too much how one views American politics more than anything.

Everything goes back to BOTUS, duh

[MU82]

Meanwhile, a serious question. Who represents the Palestinians when negotiating a two-state solution?

That is a serious question. I do not know enough about the situation to have a serious answer.

Funny thing, though. None of this crape ever happened when the bad man was president.

I mean, Covid overtook America while the bad man was president. Therefore - funny thing - he is responsible for that crape, right? Also, racial intolerance and white supremacism in America grew exponentially while the bad man was president. Therefore - funny thing - he is responsible for that crape, right?

Look, the current president is a bazillion miles from perfect and has his own problems. Thankfully, only caring about enhancing his own power, wealth and stature - to the detriment of our democratic republic - is not one of those problems.

So yes, if I am to choose between a flawed horrible human being and a flawed decent man, I'll go with the latter. Others are free to choose the one who wants to be America's dictator and who, like Hitler, calls his enemies "vermin." I'll choose the one who condemns the plague of antisemitism; others are free to choose the one who, to the delight of white supremacists everywhere, said there were some "very fine people" marching with torches and chanting "Jews will not replace us!"

At least for now, all of us have that freedom of choice.

[Pakuni]

You really think that all of this has to do with Biden's withdrawl from Afghanistan?  That is a incredibly myopic view that is shaped way too much how one views American politics more than anything.

The irony here is that while Biden deserves plenty of blame for the execution of the withdrawal, disaster was assured by the previous guy getting outsmarted by the Taliban more than a year earlier.
Lenny is curiously silent on that part.

[Heisenberg]

That is a serious question. I do not know enough about the situation to have a serious answer.

This is a huge problem, and why calls for a two-state solution sound good in theory but are impossible in practice. 

All the Palestinians have for leadership right now are terrorist groups (Hamas, PIJ, Hezbollah) that are committed to a one-state solution or the destruction of Israel.

Or a very weak Palestinian Authority run by the head of the Fatah party, Mahmoud Abbas, who is 88 years old, has not had an election since 2006 and is deeply unpopular. When he dies, the PA might effectively disappear like the PLO did when Yassir Arafat died.

To anticipate a question, no, the UN cannot negotiate on behalf of the Palestinians. The UN created the state of Isreal in 1948 and initially proposed a two-state solution that was rejected, and the war started immediately.

So, Palestinians will never accept any two-state solution from the UN ... again. Besides, who is the Palestinian leadership that would accept a brokered deal from the UN? Back to the original question.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Funny thing, though. None of this crape ever happened when the bad man was president. But when the good man oversaw our disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, things changed. Enemies smelled weakness, confirmed when the good guy tried to make nice with China and Iran. So we ended up with war in Europe, war in the Middle East and the likelihood of war in Asia (Taiwan). Obama's Secretary of Defense warned us that nice guy Joe had never (in 30+ years) been on the correct side of any foreign policy decision but no biggie, right? He's a nice man and that's all that really matters. Sheesh.

"Trump was better than Biden on foreign policy".

Holy unnatural carnal knowledge

[forgetful]

Did Israel tamper with al shifa evidence?

I'm not going to make any decisions on overall evidence tampering yet, as it is too early.

But they certainly have completely bungled this from a PR perspective.

Guns clearly being moved as PLM posted.

But also, in one of their previous videos, they claimed they found a Hamas hostage guard schedule with the Hamas terrorists names on it. Analysts of the video showed that the "Hamas terrorists names" were actually the days of the week, and it was just a calendar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTcEL1BQ2qc From France 24 news.

Also, the DVDs full of Intelligence they found next to a laptop. People have pointed out that model of laptop does not have a DVD drive.

These types of errors in presentation although not necessarily nefarious, are at the very least careless and will contribute to more anger/problems and distrust regarding any additional intel.

I do find it troubling that after 5-days, they have provided no evidence of a command/control center under Al Shifa.

At the very least this suggests that they had no intel on "where it was."

At worst, they were duped. They know there are extensive tunnels/command infrastructure from when they built it in 1983, and they knew Hamas was using it at least as recent as 2014. I at least partially fear that they were duped by captured Hamas terrorists who said they were still in use during interrogations.

I think they legitimately believed Hamas was using the site, but it is starting to look like they were wrong. Let's see how this plays out.

[MuggsyB]

I'm not going to make any decisions on overall evidence tampering yet, as it is too early.

But they certainly have completely bungled this from a PR perspective.

Guns clearly being moved as PLM posted.

But also, in one of their previous videos, they claimed they found a Hamas hostage guard schedule with the Hamas terrorists names on it. Analysts of the video showed that the "Hamas terrorists names" were actually the days of the week, and it was just a calendar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTcEL1BQ2qc From France 24 news.

Also, the DVDs full of Intelligence they found next to a laptop. People have pointed out that model of laptop does not have a DVD drive.

These types of errors in presentation although not necessarily nefarious, are at the very least careless and will contribute to more anger/problems and distrust regarding any additional intel.

I do find it troubling that after 5-days, they have provided no evidence of a command/control center under Al Shifa.

At the very least this suggests that they had no intel on "where it was."

At worst, they were duped. They know there are extensive tunnels/command infrastructure from when they built it in 1983, and they knew Hamas was using it at least as recent as 2014. I at least partially fear that they were duped by capture Hamas terrorists who said they were still in use during interrogations.

I think they legitimately believed Hamas was using the site, but it is starting to look like they were wrong. Let's see how this plays out.

Israel can never win from a PR perspective.  This  has always been obvious and was obvious less than 24 hrs after the murders. 

[forgetful]

Israel can never win from a PR perspective.  This  has always been obvious and was obvious less than 24 hrs after the murders.

I think they were clearly winning the PR battle from the beginning, and may still be winning the PR battle, but it has shifted substantially.

Errors like this in their reporting are really not helping that PR battle.

But in all honesty, the PR battle is harder for them to win the longer this lasts. Hamas is a terrorist organization that does not follow conventional methods or rules. Fighting them is going to involve ugly events, that will reflect poorly on a government. They are in a bit of a lose lose situation, which is why these PR reports need to be handled perfectly.

[Heisenberg]

Israel can never win from a PR perspective.  This  has always been obvious and was obvious less than 24 hrs after the murders.

Correct

And what will happen if Israel and the United States are wrong (aka fog of war)? They will re-open the hospital, as they never bombed it despite the thousands of claims they have. They will restock it with supplies and use it to treat civilians under their security.

Also, regarding "tampering of evidence." This is a war, not a crime scene. They are not calling in the FBI or Interpol. Only when the hospital is empty can they go into the tunnels under it (which Foregful admitted exist in an earlier post) and find out what is in them.

Are any of you concerned about the well-being of the hostages or the Israeli soldiers potentially taking on murderous terrorists in these tunnels? I see precisely zero posts about this.

[MuggsyB]

Correct

And what will happen if Israel and the United States are wrong (aka fog of war)? They will re-open the hospital, as they never bombed it despite the thousands of claims they have. They will restock it with supplies and use it to treat civilians under their security.

Also, regarding "tampering of evidence." This is a war, not a crime scene. They are not calling in the FBI or Interpol. Only when the hospital is empty can they go into the tunnels under it (which Foregful admitted exist in an earlier post) and find out what is in them.

Are any of you concerned about the well-being of the hostages or the Israeli soldiers potentially taking on murderous terrorists in these tunnels? I see precisely zero posts about this.

I'm concerned about a lot of things including tbe hostages and tunnels.  That doesn't change the fact that Hamas, Hezbollah, all the Iranian proxies, and Iran's leadership should be completely destroyed. 

Sorry.  I meant this reply for Fluffy.

[21Jumpstreet]

you're an amazing person 21...hopefully some of you may rub off on the seemingly ever angry plm

Thanks, Rocket, I appreciate you. Having said that, I do sometimes want to enact Muggs' five/six point plan on some of my fellow automobile drivers. We all have our crap, Rocket, all of us.

[MuggsyB]

I think they were clearly winning the PR battle from the beginning, and may still be winning the PR battle, but it has shifted substantially.

Errors like this in their reporting are really not helping that PR battle.

But in all honesty, the PR battle is harder for them to win the longer this lasts. Hamas is a terrorist organization that does not follow conventional methods or rules. Fighting them is going to involve ugly events, that will reflect poorly on a government. They are in a bit of a lose lose situation, which is why these PR reports need to be handled perfectly.

When you say "the beginning" do you mean the first few hours after the massacre?  Congratulations to the fking media.  I agree the longer it lasts, the worse it will be for everyone. 

[Uncle Rico]

When you say "the beginning" do you mean the first few hours after the massacre?  Congratulations to the fking media.  I agree the longer it lasts, the worse it will be for everyone.

Having anti-semites in the media like Elon and Tucker are a detriment to Israel and Jewish people

[MuggsyB]

Having anti-semites in the media like Elon and Tucker are a detriment to Israel and Jewish people

Anti-Semites on ALL sides are a significant problem.  Many Harvard profs have looked terrible after the President made a statement condemning the Jewish hatred at the protests. 

[Skatastrophy]

Anti-Semites on ALL sides are a significant problem.  Many Harvard profs have looked terrible after the President made a statement condemning the Jewish hatred at the protests. 

Can't we just agree to hate all religious people equally?

[21Jumpstreet]

The new Sam Harris podcast is worth a listen. He chats with Yuval Noah Harari, Israeli author of Sapiens. I'm about halfway in or so, and it's already been thought provoking and smartly discussed and presented.

[SoCalEagle]

Having anti-semites in the media like Elon and Tucker are a detriment to Israel and Jewish people

Where's Ackman now? He can bash (and dox) kids who say stupid things on college campuses, but he's silent on Elon's anti semetic posts? WTF, grow a pair Bill.

[Heisenberg]

Where's Ackman now? He can bash (and dox) kids who say stupid things on college campuses, but he's silent on Elon's anti semetic posts? WTF, grow a pair Bill.

Tweeted yesterday

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1725898682438979972?s=20

@elonmusk is not an antisemite. I agree with @benshapiro's assessment of the situation.

It is remarkable how quickly the world stands ready to attack Musk for his shoot from the hip commentary. 

Musk is not perfect, but the world is a vastly better place because of him.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1725702681530945687?s=20

[Jockey]

Where's Ackman now? He can bash (and dox) kids who say stupid things on college campuses, but he's silent on Elon's anti semetic posts? WTF, grow a pair Bill.

Busy defending and giving money to Elon.

[Jockey]

Tweeted yesterday

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1725898682438979972?s=20

@elonmusk is not an antisemite. I agree with @benshapiro's assessment of the situation.

It is remarkable how quickly the world stands ready to attack Musk for his shoot from the hip commentary. 

Musk is not perfect, but the world is a vastly better place because of him.

No it is not.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

No it is not.

You're forgetting Neuralink duh