Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[forgetful]

Right wing groups who promote antisemitism and violence against Jews are dangerous.

Left wing groups who do the same are just kidding.

Seems fair.

I never said either.

I was just pointing out that a lot of kids on campus have no idea what is going on in any issues. They are just out to protest. They don't know the different connotations to "From the River to the Sea" or "Free Palestine."

Hate speech is hate speech and is wrong no matter what side.

But on college campuses, there should be opportunities to teach kids why what they are saying is wrong.

I'd say the same things about college kids saying "All Lives Matter."

[Pakuni]

Right wing groups who promote antisemitism and violence against Jews are dangerous.

Left wing groups who do the same are just kidding.

Seems fair.

Just pawns.

[Lennys Tap]

I never said either.

I was just pointing out that a lot of kids on campus have no idea what is going on in any issues. They are just out to protest. They don't know the different connotations to "From the River to the Sea" or "Free Palestine."

Hate speech is hate speech and is wrong no matter what side.

But on college campuses, there should be opportunities to teach kids why what they are saying is wrong.

I'd say the same things about college kids saying "All Lives Matter."

All lives matter is a truism and doesn't mean black lives don't matter - except to those who choose to hear it that way. From the river to the sea doesn't leave any wiggle room - it calls for the elimination of the Jewish state.

That you would make such an analogy/equivalency is very troubling.

[Lennys Tap]

Just pawns.

I guess in the end we all are.

[Pakuni]

All lives matter is a truism and doesn't mean black lives don't matter - except to those who choose to hear it that way.

Oh, come on.
All lives matter is a phrase spoken only to diminish the meaning of black lives matter. It arose only in contradiction to black lives matter, spoken almost entirely by fragile white people who are too dumb to get it.

[forgetful]

All lives matter is a truism and doesn't mean black lives don't matter - except to those who choose to hear it that way. From the river to the sea doesn't leave any wiggle room - it calls for the elimination of the Jewish state.

That you would make such an analogy/equivalency is very troubling.

The fact you don't realize that both are chances to learn, is very troubling. The fact that you don't realize how much harm both phrases cause to marginalized groups that have been subject to hate most of modern history is also very troubling.

"From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free" has multiple meanings to different people. For many/most (especially in the west) it means that Palestinians will have equal rights. To others, it means the elimination of the Jewish State. Since Hamas has adopted the phrase to explicitly imply the latter it is horrific hate speech, and should never be used.

Many of those still using it, think it only means the former. They should be taught what they are saying means to others, and the harm they are causing when they use the phrase.

"All Lives Matter" has multiple meanings. To some, it means that all lives have equal value. To most others, it was spawned out of hatred for the phrase "Black Lives Matter" and to them, it means negating the value of black lives. Since it has been adopted by white supremacists and other hate groups, it should never be used.

Some/Many of those still using it, think it only means the former. They should be taught what they are saying means to others, and the harm they are causing when they use the phrase.

Both should not be used, and if we teach young people what they are saying means to those it harms, maybe we can end a culture of hate.

[rocket surgeon]

Oh, come on.
All lives matter is a phrase spoken only to diminish the meaning of black lives matter. It arose only in contradiction to black lives matter, spoken almost entirely by fragile white people who are too dumb to get it.

  blm made it's bed and they are a scam!  the 'organization' took advantage of a crisis(never let one go to waste) and diminished the real meaning of the term.  i fully believe and concur that black lives matter just as white, yellow, brown lives matter.  but blm tried to take advantage of a "movement" and gave many a false sense of security.  and, if you disagree with their modus, you are a racist...wait, what?? 

  blm showed it's true colors-MARXISM-as opposed to truly caring about BLACK LIVES behind the force field of...you guessed it-RACISM

all you had to do was wear the shirt, the flag, the pin, donate money and you got a pass from the "R" police

  follow the money

african american lives do matter as do all others!!

[Hards Alumni]

All lives matter is a truism and doesn't mean black lives don't matter - except to those who choose to hear it that way. From the river to the sea doesn't leave any wiggle room - it calls for the elimination of the Jewish state.

That you would make such an analogy/equivalency is very troubling.

dripping with irony.

[Uncle Rico]

  blm made it's bed and they are a scam!  the 'organization' took advantage of a crisis(never let one go to waste) and diminished the real meaning of the term.  i fully believe and concur that black lives matter just as white, yellow, brown lives matter.  but blm tried to take advantage of a "movement" and gave many a false sense of security.  and, if you disagree with their modus, you are a racist...wait, what?? 

  blm showed it's true colors-MARXISM-as opposed to truly caring about BLACK LIVES behind the force field of...you guessed it-RACISM

all you had to do was wear the shirt, the flag, the pin, donate money and you got a pass from the "R" police

  follow the money

african american lives do matter as do all others!!

9 out of 10

[Lennys Tap]

dripping with irony.

Dripping with stupidity.

Are there bigots who hide behind "Black lives matter"? Sure.

How about "Blue lives matter"? Yep.

"All lives matter"? That too.

But they also fall under "We hold these truths to be self evident". And one can support all three concepts without being the least bit bigoted.

The same cannot be said about "From the river to the sea".

[Hards Alumni]

Dripping with stupidity.

Are there bigots who hide behind "Black lives matter"? Sure.

How about "Blue lives matter"? Yep.

"All lives matter"? That too.

But they also fall under "We hold these truths to be self evident". And one can support all three concepts without being the least bit bigoted.

The same cannot be said about "From the river to the sea".

You're the arbiter of language, no one else.

Got it.

[Pakuni]

Dripping with stupidity.

Are there bigots who hide behind "Black lives matter"? Sure.

How about "Blue lives matter"? Yep.

"All lives matter"? That too.

But they also fall under "We hold these truths to be self evident". And one can support all three concepts without being the least bit bigoted.

The same cannot be said about "From the river to the sea".

Can you find any examples of "all lives matter " being used in its current context except in opposition to "black lives matter?"

[jesmu84]

Except Hamas actually does use its own people - including children - as human shields. They are proud to make martyrs out of their human shields.

Definitely all of the infrastructure that the IDF has bombed - schools, hospitals, etc - is a front for the Hamas military

[Lennys Tap]

Can you find any examples of "all lives matter " being used in its current context except in opposition to "black lives matter?"

Pro life people use it all the time.

[Pakuni]

Pro life people use it all the time.

Then I'm sure you can find some pre-2014 examples.

[The Sultan]

Pro life people use it all the time.

Not before it was used in response to BLM.

[Lennys Tap]

You're the arbiter of language, no one else.

Got it.

I can read, I can comprehend. I'm certainly not the only one, but at times they're in short supply around here.

[Hards Alumni]

I can read, I can comprehend. I'm certainly not the only one, but at times they're in short supply around here.

Now now, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[JWags85]

Definitely all of the infrastructure that the IDF has bombed - schools, hospitals, etc - is a front for the Hamas military

Thats a wholly different idea than what you espoused before.

WMDs did not exist.  Hamas using human shields is very much something that exists.  Other damage occurring to civilian infrastructure that may or may not have Hamas connections doesn't change that.

Glad that Hamas propaganda hitting right for you!

[forgetful]

Thats a wholly different idea than what you espoused before.

WMDs did not exist.  Hamas using human shields is very much something that exists.  Other damage occurring to civilian infrastructure that may or may not have Hamas connections doesn't change that.

Glad that Hamas propaganda hitting right for you!

I would argue that Israel needs to provide evidence that these schools/hospitals are indeed used as major military sites. Otherwise what they are doing is a war crime. The actions need to be investigated by independent individuals.

Today, video from one of the hospitals that Israel claims was a command and control center for Hamas was released by CNN (with permission from Israeli military). Their evidence is that, days after all patients/staff left, they found 4-5 rusted guns, 1 explosive device, and a motor bike in a basement room. CNN was only allowed access hours after Israeli military investigated the room. The Israeli commander says this is proof that this was a command and control center.

Even if that existed before patients/staff left, 4-5 rusted guns is not evidence of a command and control center. The fact that is the best evidence they've released yet is at least troubling.

Other examples of targeting apartment building, because a member of Hamas lived there with his family is also a war crime (assassination). Bombing a residential complex because one of its residents is part of Hamas is not a valid military target according to international law.

They need to provide some proof of actual military installations in these sites.

There is still a lot of time for them to provide evidence, but the fact they have provided next to nothing so far should be troubling to everyone.

[Hards Alumni]

Yeah, well they won't.  We should just take them at their word because Israel is always honest.

[MU82]

Definitely all of the infrastructure that the IDF has bombed - schools, hospitals, etc - is a front for the Hamas military

You are too intelligent to shift the goalposts like that, jes.

You also know that Hamas is, indeed, using human shields. All of those terrorist organizations not only do it, but do it proudly. They have no peers when it comes to the martyr-making business.

[Hards Alumni]

You are too intelligent to shift the goalposts like that, jes.

You also know that Hamas is, indeed, using human shields. All of those terrorist organizations not only do it, but do it proudly. They have no peers when it comes to the martyr-making business.

The suggestion here is that every civilian killed in Gaza was a human shield?

[forgetful]

You are too intelligent to shift the goalposts like that, jes.

You also know that Hamas is, indeed, using human shields. All of those terrorist organizations not only do it, but do it proudly. They have no peers when it comes to the martyr-making business.

Both this can be true, and it also true that they need to provide evidence that the hospitals and schools were actual military targets.

The only video evidence that I'm aware of released today, is severely lacking in the evidence department.

For everyone involved, a thorough investigation should be done, otherwise a cycle of hate/violence will most definitely continue.

[MU82]

The suggestion here is that every civilian killed in Gaza was a human shield?

Neither said nor suggested by me. I can't account for what others might have said (or how you might have interpreted it).

Both this can be true, and it also true that they need to provide evidence that the hospitals and schools were actual military targets.

The only video evidence that I'm aware of released today, is severely lacking in the evidence department.

For everyone involved, a thorough investigation should be done, otherwise a cycle of hate/violence will most definitely continue.

That is fair.

A problem is who conducts a thorough investigation like that in the middle of a war zone?