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Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on November 07, 2023, 11:24:39 PM
Substantially monetarily propping up a state and government who pays little thought to pouring billions in high powered explosives into exterminating others' children is perfectly acceptable though. So just an extra couple of steps.

Glad you have that line drawn in the sand.

Just say you don't like Muslims and save us the time instead of generalizing extremists from a religion of over a billion people worldwide.

There's plenty of Christian extremism/violence even right in all of our back yards. But just because they aren't currently in a phase of self immolation, it gets the moral high ground? They are a significant propagator of antisemitism in our country. Something it rightfully seems you do care a lot about speaking up against.

Extremism is bad in all regards and should be treated as such. As is bigotry, which I certainly hope you or anyone here do not engage in.

"Just because they aren't currently in a phase of self immolation"? This would make me laugh if it wasn't so sad and so ignorant. Yes, extremism is bad. But some is (obviously) much more dangerous than others. If you have a cold or stage 4 pancreatic cancer you are "sick". Calling them the same thing is dumb.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:09:24 AM
What do you think Iran will do if they get nuclear weapons?

Nothing.  Just like the rest of the world.  They're defensive weapons used to guarantee national sovereignty.

No one can know for sure, but if you think that Iran would use a nuclear weapon offensively and not expect their total destruction then you're drinking the kool-aid.  That is straight up propaganda.

Personally, I don't want them to get a nuke because we don't need more risk in the world as it is.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 08, 2023, 06:42:55 AM
I don't know what you're asking.  Golan is part of Syria, and the West Bank is part of Jordan.  The rest of the world outside of Israel and the US recognizes this.  They are occupied territories being administered by Israel under the guise of 'security'.

Are you suggesting that the surrounding Arab states don't care about Palestinian Arabs?

You mean that same international community that teaches 1st graders to kill Jews in Gaza schools and has had more resolutions against Israel than the rest of the world combined?  They coukd say whatever the fk they want but the fact remains Israel (after being attacked) controls those areas.  And when Jordan and Syria controlled them Palestinians were treated worse. 

MuggsyB

Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 08, 2023, 07:14:05 AM
Nothing.  Just like the rest of the world.  They're defensive weapons used to guarantee national sovereignty.

No one can know for sure, but if you think that Iran would use a nuclear weapon offensively and not expect their total destruction then you're drinking the kool-aid.  That is straight up propaganda.

Personally, I don't want them to get a nuke because we don't need more risk in the world as it is.

Well, you're very naive my friend.  Militant Islamists  exist I  hate to break it to you.  When they say they want to wipe Israel off the map I don't think it's for shts and grins. 

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:14:59 AM
You mean that same international community that teaches 1st graders to kill Jews in Gaza schools and has had more resolutions against Israel than the rest of the world combined?  They coukd say whatever the fk they want but the fact remains Israel (after being attacked) controls those areas.  And when Jordan and Syria controlled them Palestinians were treated worse.

I'm talking about the rest of the countries in the world and their governments.  Which I thought was clear, since that is what I typed.  You can look this up.  You can do a little research before spouting off nonsense.

Also, no, the Palestinians in Jordan and Syria weren't treated worse.  Palestinians in Golan and the OWB are living in an apartheid state.

You need to seriously consider where you get your information from.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:17:10 AM
Well, you're very naive my friend.  Militant Islamists  exist I  hate to break it to you.  When they say they want to wipe Israel off the map I don't think it's for shts and grins.

You can't see the forest for the trees.  Do you honestly believe that Iran would offensively nuke Israel if they got one?

You know so little about this topic, it's probably better to sit this one out.

The Sultan

Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 08, 2023, 06:42:55 AM
I don't know what you're asking.  Golan is part of Syria, and the West Bank is part of Jordan.  The rest of the world outside of Israel and the US recognizes this.  They are occupied territories being administered by Israel under the guise of 'security'.

Are you suggesting that the surrounding Arab states don't care about Palestinian Arabs?

Jordan no longer claims the West Bank. They view it as Palestinian land.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2023, 08:55:06 PM
How's election night treat in' ya?
Another great night that confirms that purchasing the Hugo Chavez software was well worth the price.

Even the world's greatest dead-dictator-election-stealing software isn't enough to save Mississippi from being Mississippi.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:17:10 AM
Well, you're very naive my friend.  Militant Islamists  exist I  hate to break it to you.  When they say they want to wipe Israel off the map I don't think it's for shts and grins. 


You have no concept of the nuances of international relations.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:17:10 AM
Well, you're very naive my friend.  Militant Islamists  exist I  hate to break it to you.  When they say they want to wipe Israel off the map I don't think it's for shts and grins.

They do exist. The leadership of Iran is not trading their own lives/power and the lives of 90 million Iranians for the chance to kill 9 million Israelis.

If Iran nuking Israel is such a given then why haven't they directly attacked Israel?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


4everwarriors

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2023, 06:38:06 AM

Like we should take in our Christian brothers from Latin America with open arms ai''nna?


Here's the hard, honest truth...none of their Arab kinfolk want them either, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MuggsyB

Yes, I think Iran would nuke Israel. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:47:04 AM
Yes, I think Iran would nuke Israel.

Israel would nuke them first
Guster is for Lovers

MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2023, 07:49:57 AM
Israel would nuke them first

That would hopefully be the case. 

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:47:04 AM
Yes, I think Iran would nuke Israel.

Then why haven't they directly attacked Israel? They would surely win,  whats stopping them?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:51:32 AM
That would hopefully be the case.

JFC. Muggsy, countries launching nukes at eachb other is nothing to hope for
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2023, 07:51:32 AM
That would hopefully be the case.

Maybe not nuke, but they'd render their capabilities to nil.

My only concern would be, having someone like Netanyahu in charge who ignores his generals and intelligence people while fighting to keep himself out of jail. 
Guster is for Lovers

Hards Alumni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 08, 2023, 07:43:54 AM

Here's the hard, honest truth...none of their Arab kinfolk want them either, aina?

I don't know why people continue to state this as if it is fact.  It is so easily disproved.

"Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem."

https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

Hards Alumni


Uncle Rico

Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 08, 2023, 07:56:22 AM
I don't know why people continue to state this as if it is fact.  It is so easily disproved.

"Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem."

https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

As long as they stay out of America
Guster is for Lovers

21Jumpstreet

"The cries of the Palestinian and Israeli children sound no different to me."

"Palestinian people are not disposable."

Like Muggs said in another thread, albeit he was calling for the support of orcas, have empathy. No, not for Hamas, not for terrorists, not for the brutally violent, no not for the abhorrent. For the Palestinians, for the Israelis, for the Muslims, for the Jews, for all who are being used as pawns and who are being murdered in a war between extremists. We are being stripped of our empathy, actually, we are actively choosing to ignore it.

reinko

Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 08, 2023, 07:57:49 AM
::)

If only, like we could have secured a deal with say dozen's of other countries, with multiple levels of oversight, inspectors inside every nuclear facility in Iran, and monitored all facilities for I don't know, say the next 20-30 years, to keep an eye on everything...wild I know...

4everwarriors

Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 08, 2023, 07:56:22 AM
I don't know why people continue to state this as if it is fact.  It is so easily disproved.

"Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem."

https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees


There is so much land controlled by Arab nations that surely they could annex a portion and create their own Palestinian state. But, that's not the Palestinian mission over the past 75 years and beyond..."from the River to the Sea," aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Pakuni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 08, 2023, 08:59:36 AM

There is so much land controlled by Arab nations that surely they could annex a portion and create their own Palestinian state. But, that's not the Palestinian mission over the past 75 years and beyond..."from the River to the Sea," aina?

Your position here is that some 7 million Palestinians living in Gaza, the West Bank and surrounding areas should all pack up from what's been their ancestral land for centuries and move to the middle of the desert in Saudi Arabia or the Iranian steppe?
How do you imagine this being accomplished? Trail of Tears II?

reinko

Quote from: Pakuni on November 08, 2023, 09:15:51 AM
Your position here is that some 7 million Palestinians living in Gaza, the West Bank and surrounding areas should all pack up from what's been their ancestral land for centuries and move to the middle of the desert in Saudi Arabia or the Iranian steppe?
How do you imagine this being accomplished? Trail of Tears II?

I think though he just solved our own southern border issue, just carve out pieces of Texas and Arizona and call it day.

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