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Heisenberg

Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 07, 2023, 12:00:34 PM
Do you have a brain injury?

Do you mean like the Jew that was killed in LA by a Palestinian protestor when he was hit in the head with a megaphone?

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You started by claiming all this is nothing because it is not happening "more often" and "organized."

So, your position is I'm posting a random, unconnected crimes that all happen to be Palestinians attacking Jews in the US.  A giant coincidence that has no connection to current world events ... just like the fact that we have a "historic" level of antisemitism where 2.4% of the population is Jewish, and they account for 60% of the hate crimes (per Christopher Wray, Head of the FBI, posted above).



I've been asking what we are going to do about this. Just accept a level of violence? Or, crack down on the hate speech, but that might run afoul of the First Amendment.

The real answer is more police, but we don't have it, mainly because so many have quit since 2020 and the defunding movements.

So, I guess we have to tell Jewish Americans sorry, and please try and die quietly when attacked so we all don't get upset.

The Sultan

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on November 07, 2023, 12:16:51 PM
The real answer is more police, but we don't have it, mainly because so many have quit since 2020 and the defunding movements.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191694/number-of-law-enforcement-officers-in-the-us/

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Heisenberg

Quote from: Pakuni on November 07, 2023, 12:05:43 PM
IOW, you're making stuff up again.
Carry on.

It must really make you uncomfortable to tell everyone what these words and phrases mean. So, pretend they are largely well-meaning slogans of peace made up by American College students in the last three weeks.

Like this one ... because this is the world-wide accepted definition of this phrase. So chanting this in front of Jews should not bother any of them. They are asking for love and understanding ... right?

https://x.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1720574880557539763?s=20
@RashidaTlaib
From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate. My work and advocacy is always centered in justice and dignity for all people no matter faith or ethnicity.

The Sultan

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on November 07, 2023, 12:22:44 PM
Like this one ... because this is the world-wide accepted definition of this phrase. So chanting this in front of Jews should not bother any of them. They are asking for love and understanding ... right?


You are (once again) shifting goalposts. The fact that anyone is "bothered" by someone's speech isn't the issue here.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2023, 12:24:51 PM

You are (once again) shifting goalposts. The fact that anyone is "bothered" by someone's speech isn't the issue here.

I dunno.  I've been told that one certain Jewish person doesn't "act like a Jewish person".  Maybe there is an universal way Jewish people should think
Guster is for Lovers


Hards Alumni

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on November 07, 2023, 12:16:51 PM
Do you mean like the Jew that was killed in LA by a Palestinian protestor when he was hit in the head with a megaphone?

----

You started by claiming all this is nothing because it is not happening "more often" and "organized."

So, your position is I'm posting a random, unconnected crimes that all happen to be Palestinians attacking Jews in the US.  A giant coincidence that has no connection to current world events ... just like the fact that we have a "historic" level of antisemitism where 2.4% of the population is Jewish, and they account for 60% of the hate crimes (per Christopher Wray, Head of the FBI, posted above).



I've been asking what we are going to do about this. Just accept a level of violence? Or, crack down on the hate speech, but that might run afoul of the First Amendment.

The real answer is more police, but we don't have it, mainly because so many have quit since 2020 and the defunding movements.

So, I guess we have to tell Jewish Americans sorry, and please try and die quietly when attacked so we all don't get upset.

Ahhhhhhh so you're just an out and about fascist.  Got it.

Heisenberg

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2023, 12:24:51 PM

You are (once again) shifting goalposts. The fact that anyone is "bothered" by someone's speech isn't the issue here.

They are bothered by it because it is a call for violence against them, and we either try to rationalize it or ignore it.

The First Amendment does not protect violent speech. But we do not do anything about it.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on November 07, 2023, 12:34:18 PM
They are bothered by it because it is a call for violence against them, and we either try to rationalize it or ignore it.

The First Amendment does not protect violent speech. But we do not do anything about it.

I see you're easily confused as well.

The Sultan

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on November 07, 2023, 12:34:18 PM
They are bothered by it because it is a call for violence against them, and we either try to rationalize it or ignore it.

The First Amendment does not protect violent speech. But we do not do anything about it.


This has been explained to you, but a group chanting "from the river to the sea" is not unprotected speech.

You should read this because it outlines quite clearly the standard - this is the standard still in use today.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/395/444/
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on November 07, 2023, 12:16:51 PM
I've been asking what we are going to do about this. Just accept a level of violence? Or, crack down on the hate speech, but that might run afoul of the First Amendment.

The real answer is more police, but we don't have it, mainly because so many have quit since 2020 and the defunding movements.

So, I guess we have to tell Jewish Americans sorry, and please try and die quietly when attacked so we all don't get upset.

We have had rampant anti-Semitism in America for centuries. Fits in nicely with the systemic racism - hell, some current elected officials even think slaves benefited from being slaves! Islamophobia, xenophobia and pure hatred for LGBTQ folks are more recent trends.

Many of the same groups - including some whose support is solicited by current elected officials - are happy participants in all that fun hatred. Stand back and stand by!

So yes, anti-Semitism is horrendous and growing. It makes me sick, and I don't know what to do about it.

Give us some solutions, Douchey. You say "more police" solves everything ... but if more police is indeed impossible because the woke ruined policing forever, as you seem to be saying, what's your solution?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2023, 07:40:22 AM

Get outside. Take a walk. Read a book. Learn to crochet.

These are all things that would be better for you than watching a Senate hearing.



Hell yeah, turn a blind eye to what's happening all around you. The donkeys have relegated the U.S. to the level of a third world country. Is it any wonder how the world views us now.
Let me be the first to tell you, "I told you so," hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Pakuni

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on November 07, 2023, 12:22:44 PM
It must really make you uncomfortable to tell everyone what these words and phrases mean. So, pretend they are largely well-meaning slogans of peace made up by American College students in the last three weeks.


Sorry, but there is no possible interpretation in which the phrases "free Palestine" or "apartheid" translate into "Exterminate the Jews."
This is your problem, and why you have such little credibility here. Even when you make something approaching a salient point, you sabotage yourself with bad faith arguments and willful deceit like this.
You could have simply stated that the protests at UW show that anti-Israeli sentiment extends beyond the Ivies, and it would have been a fair point. Instead, you feel compelled to make hyperbolic, misleading and false claims. It's such an unnecessary form of self-sabotage, but apparently you just can't help yourself.

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2023, 12:55:54 PM
Hell yeah, turn a blind eye to what's happening all around you.

Senate hearings are political shows that are meant for feeble-minded talking points and not deep insights into policy. Which is probably why you enjoy them.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2023, 12:55:54 PM
The donkeys have relegated the U.S. to the level of a third world country. Is it any wonder how the world views us now.

Really? You actually think the world views us worse now than they did under Bush and Trump? Talk about myopic nonsense.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2023, 12:55:54 PM
Let me be the first to tell you, "I told you so," hey?

Yes. You are wrong again. Amazing.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2023, 12:55:54 PM


Is it any wonder how the world views us now.

Ahem ...

Views of the U.S. are much more positive than negative across the countries we surveyed. A 23-nation median of 59% have a favorable view of the U.S., while only 30% have an unfavorable view.

In countries where we have not surveyed since 2019, views of the U.S. have improved. In general, they follow the same pattern as we saw in our 2021 survey: Many countries gave the U.S. record low ratings during former president Donald Trump's administration and the start of the coronavirus pandemic, then saw a marked improvement after Biden took office

Attitudes toward Biden

As with ratings for the U.S. overall, Biden gets his highest marks in Poland, where 83% voice confidence in his leadership of world affairs. Roughly seven-in-ten or more also express confidence in Biden in Sweden, Kenya, Nigeria, Israel, the Netherlands and Germany. Majorities in about half of the countries polled give Biden positive ratings, although opinion of Biden is, on balance, more negative than positive in NATO allies Italy, Greece, France and Spain. And he gets his lowest ratings in Hungary.

In middle-income nations in Latin America, Africa and Asia, Biden receives significantly higher marks than his predecessor. For instance, 44% of Brazilians have confidence in Biden, compared with 28% for Trump in 2019. And in some countries where Trump was relatively popular, ratings for Biden are higher. For example, 71% of Nigerians say they have confidence in Biden, up from 58% for Trump four years ago. And 64% of Indians give Biden positive marks, compared with the 56% voicing confidence for Trump in 2019.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/06/27/international-views-of-biden-and-u-s-largely-positive/

Spotcheck Billy

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on November 07, 2023, 11:55:41 AM
Another one in Brooklyn yesterday.

Yes, it is all random and has no common thread (a common thread can be an organizing idea).


https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1721604053476553122?s=20
@MarinaMedvin
Per Flatbush News, this man was arrested for attacking religious Jews with pepper spray in Brooklyn. He pepper sprayed multiple people who he ran up to on the street in a Jewish neighborhood. He was also seen tearing down kidnapped Israeli signs and making antisemitic remarks.

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second post

The suspect is a female, not a male, I was corrected.

The suspect had a knife and pepper spray on her.

That link is to the same incident as the link you posted right before this one.

MUBurrow

Quote from: Pakuni on November 07, 2023, 01:08:15 PM
Ahem ...

Views of the U.S. are much more positive than negative across the countries we surveyed. A 23-nation median of 59% have a favorable view of the U.S., while only 30% have an unfavorable view.

In countries where we have not surveyed since 2019, views of the U.S. have improved. In general, they follow the same pattern as we saw in our 2021 survey: Many countries gave the U.S. record low ratings during former president Donald Trump's administration and the start of the coronavirus pandemic, then saw a marked improvement after Biden took office

4ever doesn't want other countries to view us favorably.  He wants them to tremble with fear when they think of us.  Its the "international policy by dick measuring contest" political philosophy.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2023, 01:00:55 PM
Senate hearings are political shows that are meant for feeble-minded talking points and not deep insights into policy. Which is probably why you enjoy them.

Really? You actually think the world views us worse now than they did under Bush and Trump? Talk about myopic nonsense.

Yes. You are wrong again. Amazing.


And you were the guys whose hair was on fire for 4-5 years when things were going well?  Now it's nothing to see here as the tornado is leaving a path of destruction and it ain't over yet
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 07, 2023, 01:17:43 PM

And you were the guys whose hair was on fire for 4-5 years when things were going well?  Now it's nothing to see here as the tornado is leaving a path of destruction and it ain't over yet

4 out of 10
Guster is for Lovers

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 07, 2023, 01:17:43 PM

And you were the guys whose hair was on fire for 4-5 years when things were going well?  Now it's nothing to see here as the tornado is leaving a path of destruction and it ain't over yet
Well it was 8 years actually, but then Obama was term-limited.

Are you condemning Tucks, Marge, and Gosar for their antisemitism?
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on November 07, 2023, 01:28:38 PM
Well it was 8 years actually, but then Obama was term-limited.

Are you condemning Tucks, Marge, and Gosar for their antisemitism?

Hey T,

Happy Four Seasons Landscaping Press Conference Day!
Guster is for Lovers

TSmith34, Inc.

#2546
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2023, 12:55:54 PM
Is it any wonder how the world views us now.
Should we be asking the coalition Biden pulled together to support Ukraine? The coalition to support Israel? Or perhaps the immigrants desperate to enter the country?
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Pakuni

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on November 07, 2023, 01:30:59 PM
Should we be asking the coalition to Biden pulled together to support Ukraine? The coalition to support Israel? Or perhaps the immigrants desperate to enter the country?

Maybe he just means Hungary, the greatest country in the world.*

*Source: Tucker

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 07, 2023, 01:17:43 PM

And you were the guys whose hair was on fire for 4-5 years when things were going well?  Now it's nothing to see here as the tornado is leaving a path of destruction and it ain't over yet


Things were going well then. Things are going well now. The idea that there is some tornado leaving a path of destruction is absolutely laughable.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TSmith34, Inc.

If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

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