Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Heisenberg]

No.  I meant exactly what I typed.  As usual.  Do you need a diagram to follow the logic that people who drive cars into buildings aren't mentally stable?

I cannot fathom a way to simplify this any further.

I get it that you are dismissive of this incident, believing (or wanting to believe) that it is yet another example of a mental health crisis in the US and not a deliberate act of violence directed at American Jews.

But a leading Jewish voice in the United States has a different take. And his is the voice of a serious person.

It's like he read this thread and is responding to you directly. But he wrote it yesterday. (Maybe it reads like he is responding to you directly because you are so predictable in your Western Progressive viewpoint.)

https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/1721747231416406092
@jpodhoretz
People are making jokes because it wasn't a Jewish school, and therefore, she's stupid. The point is she thought it was, and it might have been, and that kids weren't murdered was a fluke.

Here's what I see: There are people in America actively looking to murder MY KIDS.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

For the record, I applaud Hawley for pushing back and bringing this disgraceful behavior of a governmental employee to the forefront. Mayorkas, regardless of his background needs to resign immediately, aina?

IOKIYAR

[Hards Alumni]

I get it that you are dismissive of this incident, believing (or wanting to believe) that it is yet another example of a mental health crisis in the US and not a deliberate act of violence directed at American Jews.

But a leading Jewish voice in the United States has a different take. And his is the voice of a serious person.

It's like he read this thread and is responding to you directly. But he wrote it yesterday. (Maybe it reads like he is responding to you directly because you are so predictable in your Western Progressive viewpoint.)

https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/1721747231416406092
@jpodhoretz
People are making jokes because it wasn't a Jewish school, and therefore, she's stupid. The point is she thought it was, and it might have been, and that kids weren't murdered was a fluke.

Here's what I see: There are people in America actively looking to murder MY KIDS.

What is your solution then, or his?  Lock up every person in America with Palestinian ancestry?  All Arabs?  All Muslims?  Start up some 'internment' camps? 

You are being absurd.

If this was an actual problem you'd see it happen more often and it would be organized.  This was what Occam's Razor says it was.  A one off situation by one mentally unwell person.

[JWags85]

I had an interesting discussion with my SIL about some of the "positive" side effects of the last month.  She sent me a couple Op-Eds and had some personal stories about a surprising number of Jews reconnecting with their cultural identity and heritage in the wake of 10/7 and the reaction.

It's not some gut reaction Zionism and Muslim hate, or a revenge on Gaza, but rather feeling a connection and solidarity with the Jewish community, especially in the wake of the rise in very visible anti-Semitism worldwide.  Yes it's been on the rise for some time but a profound catalyst obviously moves people differently.

Sure some people will use the sentiment for negative actions and others will accuse  people of using their Judaism to cover for Islamophobia or the like, but I think as a net it can be a positive.  I've certainly seen it in my wife's reconnecting feelings and emotions the last month as a secular, non practicing Jew.  The Jewish people have found strength and resilience in collectivism and community in the face of persecution or tragedy for hundreds of years, it's one of their most beautiful cultural touchstones.  It also powers their space lasers

[Hards Alumni]

Ahhhhhhhhhh ya got me 

[Heisenberg]

What is your solution then, or his?  Lock up every person in America with Palestinian ancestry?  All Arabs?  All Muslims?  Start up some 'internment' camps? 

You are being absurd.

If this was an actual problem you'd see it happen more often and it would be organized.  This was what Occam's Razor says it was.  A one off situation by one mentally unwell person.

Oh ... we need "proportionality."

So, how many dead Jews do we need to reach your threshold of "proportionality?"

[Hards Alumni]

Oh ... we need "proportionality."

So, how many dead Jews do we need to reach your threshold of "proportionality?"

not a serious person.

Run that question back about gun control and dead *any* kids and let me know what you come up with.

Nuance.  Understand it.

[Heisenberg]

I had an interesting discussion with my SIL about some of the "positive" side effects of the last month.  She sent me a couple Op-Eds and had some personal stories about a surprising number of Jews reconnecting with their cultural identity and heritage in the wake of 10/7 and the reaction.

It's not some gut reaction Zionism and Muslim hate, or a revenge on Gaza, but rather feeling a connection and solidarity with the Jewish community, especially in the wake of the rise in very visible anti-Semitism worldwide.  Yes it's been on the rise for some time but a profound catalyst obviously moves people differently.

Sure some people will use the sentiment for negative actions and others will accuse  people of using their Judaism to cover for Islamophobia or the like, but I think as a net it can be a positive.  I've certainly seen it in my wife's reconnecting feelings and emotions the last month as a secular, non practicing Jew.  The Jewish people have found strength and resilience in collectivism and community in the face of persecution or tragedy for hundreds of years, it's one of their most beautiful cultural touchstones.  It also powers their space lasers

I agree ... I have seen the same thing that this has catalyzed Jews not only in the US but around the world. Not to hide but to want to display their connection and solidarity with the Jewish community.

They do not publicly because there is an abysmal police presence at nearly all these rallies, and they do not want to be subject to violence. (Marc Rowan, the billionaire Penn donor who was profiled above, said this lack of a forceful response by police to protect, or the Universities to sanction, is because, in his words, "they don't give a crap.")

The Jewish community is rediscovering itself because they see this as a fight for existence and survival, despite many here wanting to dismiss this idea.

(like the poster immediately above this one)

[MUBurrow]

They do not publicly because there is an abysmal police presence at nearly all these rallies, and they do not want to be subject to violence. (Marc Rowan, the billionaire Penn donor who was profiled above, said this lack of a forceful response by police to protect, or the Universities to sanction, is because, in his words, "they don't give a crap.")

Or maybe they don't do so publicly because the same type of person who feels they have drifted too far away from their roots also just isn't the public demonstrating type?  Not everything is because of some liberal-motivated gross societal negligence. 

[Heisenberg]

Someone here said the Ivies pro-Palastine protests are not indicative of higher eduction.

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Nov 6, 2023, 9:02PM CT
Ben Shapiro discusses Israel-Hamas war, incites protests during UW-Madison visit
https://www.dailycardinal.com/article/2023/11/ben-shapiro-discusses-israel-hamas-war-incites-protests-during-uw-madison-visit

Shapiro also criticized UW-Madison Chancellor Jennifer Mnookin's statement on the attacks, where she noted the "exceedingly fraught" nature of Middle East politics and said she was "skeptical" people "in roles like [hers] should frequently comment on global or world events."

He called Mnookin's response "vague" and accused the university of hypocrisy, citing official comments on other human rights issues, such as the 2020 George Floyd protests.

"The murder of Jews, however, that's a different story. That's a little sensitive," Shapiro said. "Why the double standard?"

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A crowd of about 100 counterdemonstrators gathered outside Memorial Union to protest Shapiro's talk.

The Young Democratic Socialists of America at UW-Madison (YDSA) organized the protest to show "a little bit of resistance" through a peaceful demonstration, an organization spokesperson said.

Protesters participated in pro-Palestinian chants and spoke out against Shapiro's stance on the Israel-Hamas war. The YDSA spokesperson, who identified themselves under the pseudonym Tasha, said Shapiro's rhetoric is harmful to marginalized groups on campus and that this protest was a way to "show a little resistance" in support of these groups and bring the community together.

"[Shapiro's] kind of speech doesn't have a place on our campus," Tasha told the Cardinal. "They say they're for free speech, but at the end of the day they're trying to silence you by making you afraid of speaking."

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It was peaceful but called for the extermination of the Jewish people.

[Pakuni]

It was peaceful but called for the extermination of the Jewish people.

Could you back this up, please?
Thanks

[MU82]

No, she's mentally ill.  Don' t be a dope.

Silly ... claiming somebody is mentally ill is only for gun-lovers after a white male has gone on a shooting spree.

So, how many dead Jews do we need to reach your threshold of "proportionality?"

You sound like a proponent of common-sense gun-safety laws that would be popular with 75% or more of the American public. Welcome!

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As for Bernie Sanders ...

When one of the "sides" is Hamas, he said, "I don't know how you can have a cease-fire."

Unfortunately, IMHO, he's right.

[4everwarriors]

IOKIYAR

Appreciate your permission, hey?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Hypocrisy, no longer an embarrassing or shameful act, now part of the program.

[MU82]

Hypocrisy, no longer an embarrassing or shameful act, now part of the program.

Doc doesn't like to talk about all the anti-Semites in American politics whom he backs. I don't blame him. It's gotta be embarrassing to be so pro-Israel and yet cheer on those who solicit support from Jew-hating white supremacists.

[MuggsyB]

Somewhat lost because of the war in Israel is the 1.7 million Afghan refugees that Pakistan is kicking to the curb.  Have there been any protests about this?  Not a good situation.

[rocket surgeon]

Hypocrisy, no longer an embarrassing or shameful act, now part of the program.

You simpletons keep looking for that little crack to weasel thru...suffice it to say we are anti Hamas/isis/taliban et.al. Period

Now carry on with your reach around pals

[Heisenberg]

Could you back this up, please?
Thanks

What does "resistance is justified," "free Palestine" and "aprthied" mean?

Hint, these words and phrases have a specific meaning in this context.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You simpletons keep looking for that little crack to weasel thru...suffice it to say we are anti Hamas/isis/taliban et.al. Period

Now carry on with your reach around pals

Ahhh, so doc drool is too hypocritical...but you condemn Tuckems, Marge, Gosar et al for their antisemitism, correct?

[Uncle Rico]

You simpletons keep looking for that little crack to weasel thru...suffice it to say we are anti Hamas/isis/taliban et.al. Period

Now carry on with your reach around pals

7.5 out of 10

[Heisenberg]

What is your solution then, or his?  Lock up every person in America with Palestinian ancestry?  All Arabs?  All Muslims?  Start up some 'internment' camps? 

You are being absurd.

If this was an actual problem you'd see it happen more often and it would be organized.  This was what Occam's Razor says it was.  A one off situation by one mentally unwell person.

Another open from Brooklyn yesterday.  Have we reached your "more often and organized" threshold, or do you need more attacks on Jews?

I know, it's just another sad example of the mental health crisis in the US.

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Shmira Member Pepper-Sprayed in Flatbush by Suspect Chanting 'Allah Akbar'
https://vinnews.com/2023/11/06/shmira-member-pepper-sprayed-in-flatbush-by-suspect-chanting-allah-akbar/

A Shmira member was pepper-sprayed on Shabbos afternoon in Flatbush, near the intersection of Avenue N & East 22nd Street.

The volunteer was sprayed directly in his eyes, after asking a female why she was ripping down posters of hostages kidnapped by Hamas. The individual pointed a knife at the Shmira volunteer, and yelled "Allah Akbar, I will cut all you Jews up".

[Hards Alumni]

Another open from Brooklyn yesterday.  Have we reached your "more often and organized" threshold, or do you need more attacks on Jews?

I know, it's just another sad example of the mental health crisis in the US.

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Shmira Member Pepper-Sprayed in Flatbush by Suspect Chanting 'Allah Akbar'
https://vinnews.com/2023/11/06/shmira-member-pepper-sprayed-in-flatbush-by-suspect-chanting-allah-akbar/

A Shmira member was pepper-sprayed on Shabbos afternoon in Flatbush, near the intersection of Avenue N & East 22nd Street.

The volunteer was sprayed directly in his eyes, after asking a female why she was ripping down posters of hostages kidnapped by Hamas. The individual pointed a knife at the Shmira volunteer, and yelled "Allah Akbar, I will cut all you Jews up".

I'm sorry, where is the 'organized' portion? 

Thank God you're not a lawyer.

Again, what is your solution?  Is it 'final'?

[Heisenberg]

I'm sorry, where is the 'organized' portion? 

Thank God you're not a lawyer.

Again, what is your solution?  Is it 'final'?

Another one in Brooklyn yesterday.

Yes, it is all random and has no common thread (a common thread can be an organizing idea).


https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1721604053476553122?s=20
@MarinaMedvin
Per Flatbush News, this man was arrested for attacking religious Jews with pepper spray in Brooklyn. He pepper sprayed multiple people who he ran up to on the street in a Jewish neighborhood. He was also seen tearing down kidnapped Israeli signs and making antisemitic remarks.

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second post

The suspect is a female, not a male, I was corrected.

The suspect had a knife and pepper spray on her.

[Hards Alumni]

Another one in Brooklyn yesterday.

Yes, it is all random and has no common thread (a common thread can be an organizing idea).


https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1721604053476553122?s=20
@MarinaMedvin
Per Flatbush News, this man was arrested for attacking religious Jews with pepper spray in Brooklyn. He pepper sprayed multiple people who he ran up to on the street in a Jewish neighborhood. He was also seen tearing down kidnapped Israeli signs and making antisemitic remarks.

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second post

The suspect is a female, not a male, I was corrected.

The suspect had a knife and pepper spray on her.

Do you have a brain injury?

[Pakuni]

What does "resistance is justified," "free Palestine" and "aprthied" mean?

Hint, these words and phrases have a specific meaning in this context.

IOW, you're making stuff up again.
Carry on.