Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Uncle Rico]

Why is the House wrong? Why isn't the Senate wrong?

They can pass Israeli aid now and take up those other issues separately.

Then the house should have passed an Israeli aid bill by itself.  They didn't

[Heisenberg]

In seriousness, if you support Israel and want Hamas and Hezbollah defeated, you'd be calling your congressperson and tell them to quit playing games. 

Hezbollah is BEING SUPPORTED BY RUSSIA AND FUNDING THE UKRAINE FIGHT ALSO SUPPORTS ISRAEL by making the enemies of Israel focus more energy on the fiasco of the Russian invasion into Ukraine.

Which congressman should you call?  Senators to pass the House bill?

[Heisenberg]

Then the house should have passed an Israeli aid bill by itself.  They didn't

That is precisely what they did.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-passes-republicans-israel-aid-bill-faces-dead-end-senate-2023-11-02/

The democrats know Israel's aid is popular and want to tie all their other less popular wishes to it.

So, who is playing politics here?

[The Sultan]

You just cannot help yourself ... the Western Progressive Worldview within you has put permanent blinders on that make you incapable of any other viewpoint. And you are convinced there is only one worldview, the correct one, the one you hold, the one you detail above.

Sorry. My view isn't a "progressive worldview." My view is grounded in the actualities of the situation. Yours is one governed by absolutes and emotions.  IOW, you aren't thinking...you're reacting.

[forgetful]

Not all Western Progressives accept the only accepted worldview.



Why Israel must fight on
Israel's bombardment of Gaza is taking a terrible toll. But unless Hamas's power is broken, peace will remain out of reach
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/02/why-israel-must-fight-on

The only way out of the cycle of violence is to destroy Hamas's rule—which means killing its senior leaders and smashing its military infrastructure. The suggestion that a war which entails the deaths of thousands of innocent people can lead to peace will appal many. In the past one act of violence has led to the next. That is indeed the great risk today.

However, while Hamas runs Gaza, peace is impossible. Israelis will feel unsafe, so their government will strike Gaza pre-emptively every time Hamas threatens. Suffocated by permanently tight Israeli security and killed as Hamas's human shields in pre-emptive Israeli raids, Palestinians will be radicalised. The only way forward is to weaken its control while building the conditions for something new to emerge.

Violence will not end the cycle of violence.

There are two solutions to stemming the cycle of violence.

1. The UN needs to finally pass a formal binding resolution establishing a 2-state solution (that means no vetoes by the US.

2. People need to quit using charged language attacking each other, and instead maybe listen and try to understand each other.

As an example. If you and/or Muggsy will humor me.

Define what:

"From the River to the Sea" means.

Similarly, what does Zionism/Zionist and the related terms anti-Zionism mean.

[Uncle Rico]

Which congressman should you call?  Senators to pass the House bill?

Call your congressperson or senator to quit playing games with aid for Israel.

Congress chose to cut aid to Ukraine and tie the IRS to this bill they knew doesn't stand a chance to pass or have senate support.  On top of it, the fiscal conservatives just added even more to the deficit with this stunt

Aid to Ukraine supports the effort in their war against one of Israel's enemies biggest weapons providers

[The Sultan]

Muggsy

I have stayed out of this thread for 88 pages and want you to know I agree with much of your sentiment. I am outraged with what happened in 10/7, support Israel 100% and am disgusted by the antisemitism in the world.

I appreciate your passion and your concern for Israel and the Jewish Community. This is beyond a serious global situation and I believe many on here are misguided.

Keep up the fight, I am pro- Muggsy!!

You realize that Muggsy wants to seize Iranian oilfields right? Tell me how that's a smart idea.

[Heisenberg]

Sorry. My view isn't a "progressive worldview." My view is grounded in the actualities of the situation. Yours is one governed by absolutes and emotions.  IOW, you aren't thinking...you're reacting.

Yes, I know ... the Western progressive worldview is the only correct view.

[Heisenberg]

Israel will 'assassinate' Hamas leaders across Middle East
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/israel-will-assassinate-hamas-leaders-across-middle-east-expert-20231102-p5eh66

Israel will kill Hamas leaders across the Middle East to prevent the Gaza-based terrorist organisation from attacking the Jewish state again, a former senior intelligence analyst and Defence Department official said.

Intelligence and defence consultant Ross Babbage said the Israel Defence Force's ground operation into the Gaza Strip, which has surprised some observers for not going faster, was "a fairly successful, essentially assassination set of operations" that would expand over time.

"Many of the key supporters of Hamas aren't in Gaza," he said in a phone interview. "It is very likely Israeli and other operators will essentially capture or destroy some of those people, no matter where they are. I don't think they are beyond the reach of the Israelis."

Iran is Hamas' primary supporter. Hamas leaders are reported to live in Beirut and Doha, which also has a large US military base.

[Heisenberg]

Call your congressperson or senator to quit playing games with aid for Israel.

Congress chose to cut aid to Ukraine and tie the IRS to this bill they knew doesn't stand a chance to pass or have senate support.  On top of it, the fiscal conservatives just added even more to the deficit with this stunt

Aid to Ukraine supports the effort in their war against one of Israel's enemies biggest weapons providers

And explain why it will not pass. Because the Democrats want all the unpopular crap tied to the popular Isreal aid bill?

Or are you arguing that Schumer is protecting conservative Senators from having to take a tough vote?

Call the Senate and tell them to pass it?

[Uncle Rico]

And explain why it will not pass. Because the Democrats want all the unpopular crap tied to the popular Isreal aid bill?

Or are you arguing that Schumer is protecting conservative Senators from having to take a tough vote?

Could you call the Senate and tell them to pass it?

What's popular about gutting the portion of the IRS that goes after wealthy tax cheats?

Why don't you want aid for Ukraine to fight Russia who arms Israel's enemies?

[The Sultan]

Yes, I know ... the Western progressive worldview is the only correct view.

 

White flag noted. I win.

[21Jumpstreet]

Yes, I know ... the Western progressive worldview is the only correct view.

So, H2O, you keep saying this, and candidly, I have read into it a bit, and as I mentioned listened to the Sam Harris podcast. But, I have a question for you as you seem to operate in "sides." Is the other side to Western Progressive Worldview something like Western Radical Conservative Worldview? Do you define both in terms that people like to define them here in the US? If so, why is your worldview the only one?

Also, I couldn't agree with you more that our Congress is a joke. Want aid for Israel, pass an aid for Israel bill. Want aid for Ukraine, pass an aid for Ukraine bill. Unfortunately, it's all politics, and it is borderline disgusting.

[Heisenberg]

What's popular about gutting the portion of the IRS that goes after wealthy tax cheats?

Why don't you want aid for Ukraine to fight Russia who arms Israel's enemies?

Congress can pass more than one bill ... including adding back IRS funding.
It is not that hard.

[Uncle Rico]

Congress can pass more than one bill ... including adding back IRS funding.
It is not that hard.

Why attach it to aid for Israel?  It doesn't save any money.

Also, why shouldn't we support Ukraine who is fighting Russia, the country that helps supply weapons to the enemies of Israel?

[The Sultan]

Republicans care about the budget deficit.***

***Unless it requires funding the IRS to crack down on law-breaking tax cheats.

[Skatastrophy]

That dumb bill the House passed doesn't matter, the Senate won't pick it up. The House is a complete mess.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Did you not read this part?

Throughout the assault he kept calm, but was aggressively attacked by Pro-Palestine rioters," reads the report to the FBI, which was reviewed by the Free Beacon. "

That is the word used in the FBI report. Was it physical? Again, the FBI used the term "aggressively attacked" in their report.

Until the FBI offers clarification, I'll stay with this characterization.

Okay, I suspect you are being disingenuous but I will play along. You are quoting a report TO the FBI. Not a report FROM the FBI. A report TO the FBI is not a statement by the FBI. Literally anyone can give a report to the FBI. I could file a report to the FBI right now that says "Unicorn hooves taste like slightly warmed over paper bags from Trader Joe's" and that would be an official report to the FBI. That would not mean that the FBI has made a statement about the alleged flavor of unicorn hooves. And it does not mean that the FBI is investigating said report. All your source tells you is that someone made this report to the FBI, it does not mean that it is factually accurate or that the FBI is investigating. All this source tells you is that the FBI declined to comment.

Now that we've established that this isn't a report from the FBI but a report to the FBI, let's take this a step further. Do we think the FBI is in the business of releasing reports it receives regarding active investigations to Freedom Beacon or other internet randos? They are not. So what does this tell us? I see only two explanations: 1. Either Freedom Beacon got into contact with the Jewish Student and asked him to share a copy of his report to the FBI with them. Or 2. the Jewish student didn't make this report to the FBI himself but rather Freedom Beacon made it on his behalf after watching the video (or one of their followers did and shared it with Freedom Beacon). Either is possible, though my guess is the Freedom Beacon would likely publicize that they were working with the Jewish student, which leads me to believe that #2 is likely what happened.

So no, the FBI has not categorized the protestors as "rioters" or what happened here as a "physical assault". That's just whoever submitted the report to the FBI (likely Freedom Beacon).

All this being said, the FBI may very well be investigating. I don't know, but I do know that this source doesn't support that assertion (it doesn't refute it either). Maybe there's another source out there that actually states what you are asserting.

You can also offer your expert analysis of the video, but my expert analysis makes it look straightforward: the Jewish student was physically assaulted.

Your expert analysis of this article? No. Your expert analysis of the video? Have you watched the video? If you have and you see clearly evidence of a physical assault, please point out the marker where this occurs. If I missed something I'm happy to admit that I am wrong. I only watched the video once on normal speed so it's possible I missed something.

I might add that Harvard Alums are now calling for disciplinary action.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/02/business/bill-ackman-demands-suspension-of-harvard-law-review-editor-who-accosted-jewish-student/

Apparently, there is a lot more of this than is being reported.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-02/harvard-yale-warned-by-top-law-firms-about-campus-antisemitism

The letter was written this week by Joseph C. Shenker, senior chair of Sullivan & Cromwell, after he was contacted by Jewish law students from top universities. He circulated the draft to the other firms, each of which sent a copy to the law schools they work with on Wednesday night, Shenker said in an interview.

When asked if the firms would curtail recruiting from schools where they have seen concerning behavior, Shenker said, "People can draw their own conclusions. The letter speaks for itself."

"We're asking the deans to create a safe environment for all their students where one is treated with respect," he said. "That's what we require at our firms. I believe the deans are working towards that."

This is irrelevant to what you and I were discussing. Besides, we already established early on that you are pro-cancel culture. And I've already stated that I am supportive of private companies' right to making hiring decisions based on free speech that they don't agree with.

[rocket surgeon]

What's popular about gutting the portion of the IRS that goes after wealthy tax cheats?

Why don't you want aid for Ukraine to fight Russia who arms Israel's enemies?

  wealthy tax cheats like the one that slipped just past the statute of limitations, funny money coming in from china/cefc, russia/elena baturina et.al., ukraine/burisma holdings, romania/gabriel popoviciu, and the assortment of those finger paintings sold to eventual dem donors and appointees. 

  all of this would be considered income if they had registered under the fara as well

shouldn't need an extra 80 some thousad more to under take stuff like this

[4everwarriors]

Great reading for y'all sympathizers and beyond, aina?

https://canarymission.org/

[Uncle Rico]

  wealthy tax cheats like the one that slipped just past the statute of limitations, funny money coming in from china/cefc, russia/elena baturina et.al., ukraine/burisma holdings, romania/gabriel popoviciu, and the assortment of those finger paintings sold to eventual dem donors and appointees. 

  all of this would be considered income if they had registered under the fara as well

shouldn't need an extra 80 some thousad more to under take stuff like this

5.5 out of 10

[MuggsyB]

Muggsy

I have stayed out of this thread for 88 pages and want you to know I agree with much of your sentiment. I am outraged with what happened in 10/7, support Israel 100% and am disgusted by the antisemitism in the world.

I appreciate your passion and your concern for Israel and the Jewish Community. This is beyond a serious global situation and I believe many on here are misguided.

Keep up the fight, I am pro- Muggsy!!

Ty Goose.  I'm extremely disappointed with some of tbe takes in this thread. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You realize that Muggsy wants to seize Iranian oilfields right? Tell me how that's a smart idea.

He's recently come in support of the guy who displays extreme, overcompensating homophobia and the guy who wants to nuke people and turn the U.S. into a pariah state. So yeah.

[Pakuni]

That is precisely what they did.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-passes-republicans-israel-aid-bill-faces-dead-end-senate-2023-11-02/

The democrats know Israel's aid is popular and want to tie all their other less popular wishes to it.

So, who is playing politics here?

No, that's not what they passed. The bill they passed ties assistance to Israel to one of their domestic agenda items, i.e. cuts in IRS funding. It literally states that in the first sentence of the story you linked.

So, two simple questions:
Should the U.S. continue to provide aid to Ukraine?
Should U.S. assistance to Israel be dependent upon cuts to the IRS budget?

[forgetful]

Congress can pass more than one bill ... including adding back IRS funding.
It is not that hard.

This is such a bizarre take.

This is quite simple.

Should we provide aid to Israel. Most here, including myself, think, yes. So have a stand alone bill to support it.

Should we provide aid to Ukraine. Most here, including myself, agree, yes. So have a stand alone bill to support it.

Should we cut IRS funding. Highly partisan issue, that should not be tied to either of the above. The GOP led house, who wants to cut IRS funding, tied it to the highly popular and needed aid to Israel. That is wrong. Plain and simple...no need for a debate. Put the stand alone bill up and all will support it.