Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

Really? Unfookin' insane, hey?

I could see how someone who only engages in self-reinforcing narratives would feel that way.

But I'm absolutely correct. You should get out of your bubble for once.

[rocket surgeon]

I'm not uncomfortable in the least. Why should I be? 

I think I have a way better grasp on this than you do.

  i think another term would be, you are comfortable with your interpretation of the views you've been provided by your sources.  in other words, it fits your narrative perfectly.  you seem pretty comfortable with what is going on until you don't.  then you minimize the views you don't like.  you write off a lot because it is supported by sources you minimize

  i know, you're going to ask to what specifically and straw men and victims and, blah blah...my word would be taking all of you views collectively over the past, i don't know, 15,000 posts and where you collect your paycheck-you are ground zero man.  maybe not the epicenter of it all, but you're in the club and you know the secret handshake

"woke ideology"  made up?  of course it is...but it is real...foooked up, as doc would say


have ya ever seen a catch the greased pig contest?  probably not, as they don't use that analogy much in the nyt, but i think you catch my drift, eyn'a? 

 

[The Sultan]

  i think another term would be, you are comfortable with your interpretation of the views you've been provided by your sources.  in other words, it fits your narrative perfectly.  you seem pretty comfortable with what is going on until you don't.  then you minimize the views you don't like.  you write off a lot because it is supported by sources you minimize

  i know, you're going to ask to what specifically and straw men and victims and, blah blah...my word would be taking all of you views collectively over the past, i don't know, 15,000 posts and where you collect your paycheck-you are ground zero man.  maybe not the epicenter of it all, but you're in the club and you know the secret handshake

"woke ideology"  made up?  of course it is...but it is real...foooked up, as doc would say


have ya ever seen a catch the greased pig contest?  probably not, as they don't use that analogy much in the nyt, but i think you catch my drift, eyn'a? 

 

Thanks rocket. You always manage to prove my point. Unintentionally on your part of course...

[jesmu84]

Not really. "Woke ideology" is a completely made up thing. It's a straw man of extreme political views that few people actually share.

How come all the GOP folks running for nomination suddenly stopped talking about woke ideology and how it's the greatest threat to our country?

[tower912]

Woke ideology is love your neighbor as yourself.  Treat them equally and with respect.  Regardless if they are male, female, white, shades of brown, who they love or how they identify.   
Subversive stuff.    Take it up with Jesus.

[Uncle Rico]

Not really. "Woke ideology" is a completely made up thing. It's a straw man of extreme political views that few people actually share.

Culture wars are a crutch for the feeble-minded. 

[Uncle Rico]

  i think another term would be, you are comfortable with your interpretation of the views you've been provided by your sources.  in other words, it fits your narrative perfectly.  you seem pretty comfortable with what is going on until you don't.  then you minimize the views you don't like.  you write off a lot because it is supported by sources you minimize

  i know, you're going to ask to what specifically and straw men and victims and, blah blah...my word would be taking all of you views collectively over the past, i don't know, 15,000 posts and where you collect your paycheck-you are ground zero man.  maybe not the epicenter of it all, but you're in the club and you know the secret handshake

"woke ideology"  made up?  of course it is...but it is real...foooked up, as doc would say


have ya ever seen a catch the greased pig contest?  probably not, as they don't use that analogy much in the nyt, but i think you catch my drift, eyn'a? 

8 out of 10

[Uncle Rico]

How come all the GOP folks running for nomination suddenly stopped talking about woke ideology and how it's the greatest threat to our country?

Given Pudding Fingers was running his campaign on it and can't get within sniffing distance of a thrice-indicted loser, I wonder why

[Heisenberg]

Also, how do you know Bharmal isn't being disciplined? These types of investigations typically take a couple of months (as a result of additional due process requirements put into place by the Trump administration). In the meantime, universities are not allowed to punish a student in any way except under very specific circumstances (which this would likely not qualify). Further, these proceedings are protected by FERPA so even if Bharmal is disciplined, the university cannot disclose that fact.

To answer your thought question, they would investigate. Which is what I assume Harvard is likely doing here, assuming there is a willing complainant (another Trump-era due process requirement though there are some loopholes to get around it).

The Cambridge police and Boston FBI should be investigating this. They should tell us if they believe a crime has occurred and if they have a person of interest(s)

[Heisenberg]

I could see how someone who only engages in self-reinforcing narratives would feel that way.

Pot meet kettle

Or is it, when one holds the correct Western Progressive View they are always correct.

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Speaking of worldviews, you still believe this?

(Note, "not a serious person"= does not adhere the correct Western Progressive worldview. Because only serious people do.)

No this isn't a "war for the existance of a race of people." That's hyperbolic nonsense.  I also never said that Israel should "calm down." That's just silly. Of course they need to severely weaken Hamas in response.

If Israel truly wants peace long-term, it has to treat Palestinians with more respect than they have shown. Don't violate agreements that you have made.

And this is why you aren't a serious person.

Does this change your worldview?

So, what is the proportional response when this is what your enemy says?

He has a wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghazi_Hamad

Israel is in a fight for its very survival, and Hamas will pay a terrible price, and so will the civilians who want to be Maytrs.

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Hamas Official: We Will Repeat October 7 Attacks Until Israel Is Annihilated
The existence of Israel is the root of all violence and pain, Hamas official Ghazi Hamad tells Lebanese TV
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-01/ty-article/hamas-official-we-will-repeat-october-7-attacks-until-israel-is-annihilated/0000018b-8b9d-db7e-af9b-ebdfbee90000

A senior Hamas official said in an interview aired last week that the October 7 attack against Israel were just the beginning, vowing to launch "a second, a third, a fourth" attack until the country is "annihilated."

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1719662664090075199

Ghazi Hamad – whose comments were transcribed by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), a Washington-based think tank – added in the LBC interview that "Israel has no place on our land. We must remove the country because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe."

As for the October 7 attacks – which left more than 1,300 Israelis in the south slaughtered and hundreds dragged into the Gaza Strip – Hamad declared that "we must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do this again and again."

Regarding the wholesale killing of civilians, Hamad said "Hamas did not want to harm civilians, but there were complications on the ground." Hamad added that "everything we do is justified."

Hamas terrorists who attacked Gaza border communities were found with detailed maps and documentation indicating intent to take over schools and abduct citizens, including children.

Note that your statement:

"If Israel truly wants peace long-term, it has to treat Palestinians with more respect than they have shown. Don't violate agreements that you have made."

This a textbook example of Thomas Sowell's unconstrained worldview.

[Uncle Rico]

Pot meet kettle

Or is it, when one holds the correct Western Progressive View they are always correct.

——

Speaking of worldviews, you still believe this?

(Note, "not a serious person"= does not adhere the correct Western Progressive worldview. Because only serious people do.)

Does this change your worldview?


Note that your statement:

"If Israel truly wants peace long-term, it has to treat Palestinians with more respect than they have shown. Don't violate agreements that you have made."

This a textbook example of Thomas Sowell's unconstrained worldview.

We probably shouldn't impose our western values in countries that don't want them

[Hards Alumni]

The Cambridge police and Boston FBI should be investigating this. They should tell us if they believe a crime has occurred and if they have a person of interest(s)

Sounds like your worldview doesn't fit western criminal justice ideology.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The Cambridge police and Boston FBI should be investigating this. They should tell us if they believe a crime has occurred and if they have a person of interest(s)

If that is your belief,  that is your belief. In my experience, the police and FBI don't investigate things like this unless the complainant asks them to. And even then,  most times they decline to investigate.

[Heisenberg]

Not really. "Woke ideology" is a completely made up thing. It's a straw man of extreme political views that few people actually share.

Your view of Woke ideology is exactly what those that adhere to the Western Progressive worldview (or Sowell's unconstrained worldview) think.

Your belief that very few people actually share it is 100% correct only if you exclusively travel and only exclusively believe in the Western Progressive worldview.

Outside of Western Progressive worldview, Woke ideology is very real.

But you seem to be admitting you have no way to know this.

[Heisenberg]

We probably shouldn't impose our western values in countries that don't want them

You mean they should stop imposing their values on the west.

[Hards Alumni]

You mean they should stop imposing their values on the west.

Perhaps you can explain which values you're speaking of and which group of people you attribute those values to.

[Uncle Rico]

You mean they should stop imposing their values on the west.

Huh

[Hards Alumni]

Huh

No idea, but I'm looking forward to the next word salad that he will have to explain over the next three pages instead of being direct and succinct.

[The Sultan]

Your view of Woke ideology is exactly what those that adhere to the Western Progressive worldview (or Sowell's unconstrained worldview) think.

Your belief that very few people actually share it is 100% correct only if you exclusively travel and only exclusively believe in the Western Progressive worldview.

Outside of Western Progressive worldview, Woke ideology is very real.

But you seem to be admitting you have no way to know this.

OMG, you are just engaging in circular nonsense right now. And you can't even see it.

An absolute failing of your Marquette education if you can't understand how illogical the above is.

[The Sultan]

"If Israel truly wants peace long-term, it has to treat Palestinians with more respect than they have shown. Don't violate agreements that you have made."

This a textbook example of Thomas Sowell's unconstrained worldview.

Well, and that's why he's wrong.  Sowell is the right's answer to Friedman - award winning economists that should probably refrain from commenting much on other topics because they are generally nonsense.

But regardless, the problem with you in this entire topic is that you are engaging in simplistic, absolutist arguments.  This isn't a battle to the death between two different worldviews. That is just black and white type thinking that, while it might give you comfort, is just not how the world works.

This is old-fashioned, Machiavellian realpolitik. And your failure to understand this is why you keep stumbling. As I have said previously, this is about Iran trying to break up a potential United States brokered alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel - the three countries it sees as its greatest enemies.  They are betting that Israel will overplay their hand in response which would make it impossible for an alliance with Saudi Arabia.

This is why Biden is preaching restraint. I'm sure he cares about the Palestinian people, but he also understands that there is more at stake here. He knows that an alliance between our two closest allies in the region to counter Iran is incredibly meaningful. (Especially since Turkey isn't terribly reliable recently.)  Most people fully understand that Israel has a right to defend itself and to severely maim Hamas.  However they aren't going to destroy Hamas - and Hamas isn't going to destroy Israel. Because the methods by which either would occur are not in the long-term strategic interests of anyone.

And then of course, this has to somehow reflect on American politics because....well of course it does. And this is also where you are wrong. This isn't some conflict between wokeism and non-wokeism, because that's not how the American people work either.  The vast majority sit well in the middle of the bell curve, just like they always have.

I encourage you to think a little harder here. Try to understand the motivations of the people and countries involved. They aren't as absolutist as you think - they are rational actors engaging in practical decisions. Your failure to understand this will lead to your failure to really understand how the world works.

[Heisenberg]

Huh, I guess universities do take this seriously after all. BTW, what Dai allegedly posted was not protected speech so open season on him.

Cornell University cancels classes Friday amid 'extraordinary stress' on campus after violent antisemitic threats led to the arrest of a student
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/01/us/cornell-university-antisemitic-threats-thursday/index.html

Cornell University has canceled classes Friday to acknowledge the "extraordinary stress" its campus has been under as one of its students is accused of making violent antisemitic threats against Jewish people at the college, where unease over the Israel-Hamas war has been escalating for weeks.

[21Jumpstreet]

Not really. "Woke ideology" is a completely made up thing. It's a straw man of extreme political views that few people actually share.

Yeah, I didn't think the opinion piece was particularly thought provoking or the words well chosen. He kind of undermines himself. Like this thread, we choose what the "sides" are then argue with others whose "sides" are slightly different. Then we sling insults. I disagree with his initial premise of what he defines as the sides. But, I read it anyway.

[The Sultan]

Yeah, I didn't think the opinion piece was particularly thought provoking or the words well chosen. He kind of undermines himself. Like this thread, we choose what the "sides" are then argue with others whose "sides" are slightly different. Then we sling insults. I disagree with his initial premise of what he defines as the sides. But, I read it anyway.

Right because the truth almost always lies in the middle. But those make for boring OpEds.

[Heisenberg]

If that is your belief,  that is your belief. In my experience, the police and FBI don't investigate things like this unless the complainant asks them to. And even then,  most times they decline to investigate.

The FBI is investigating as a report of an assault was filed.

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https://freebeacon.com/campus/israeli-harvard-business-school-student-accosted-and-harassed-amid-gaza-die-in-on-campus/

A report has been filed with the Harvard University Police Department and the FBI's Boston office. "An Israeli student on his way to class pulled his phone out to film the rioters and he was attacked. He was assaulted both physically and verbally. Throughout the assault he kept calm, but was aggressively attacked by Pro-Palestine rioters," reads the report to the FBI, which was reviewed by the Free Beacon. "At least 2 of those involved have been identified as employees of the University and have not yet been dismissed from their posts."

The FBI declined to comment.

It is unclear how or whether Harvard plans to address the incident, which was reported to Harvard Business School administrators. Neither the executive director of Harvard's MBA program, Jana Kierstead, nor Harvard University president Claudine Gay responded to a request for comment.

[Hards Alumni]

Well, and that's why he's wrong.  Sowell is the right's answer to Friedman - award winning economists that should probably refrain from commenting much on other topics because they are generally nonsense.

But regardless, the problem with you in this entire topic is that you are engaging in simplistic, absolutist arguments.  This isn't a battle to the death between two different worldviews. That is just black and white type thinking that, while it might give you comfort, is just not how the world works.

This is old-fashioned, Machiavellian realpolitik. And your failure to understand this is why you keep stumbling. As I have said previously, this is about Iran trying to break up a potential United States brokered alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel - the three countries it sees as its greatest enemies.  They are betting that Israel will overplay their hand in response which would make it impossible for an alliance with Saudi Arabia.

This is why Biden is preaching restraint. I'm sure he cares about the Palestinian people, but he also understands that there is more at stake here. He knows that an alliance between our two closest allies in the region to counter Iran is incredibly meaningful. (Especially since Turkey isn't terribly reliable recently.)  Most people fully understand that Israel has a right to defend itself and to severely maim Hamas.  However they aren't going to destroy Hamas - and Hamas isn't going to destroy Israel. Because the methods by which either would occur are not in the long-term strategic interests of anyone.

And then of course, this has to somehow reflect on American politics because....well of course it does. And this is also where you are wrong. This isn't some conflict between wokeism and non-wokeism, because that's not how the American people work either.  The vast majority sit well in the middle of the bell curve, just like they always have.

I encourage you to think a little harder here. Try to understand the motivations of the people and countries involved. They aren't as absolutist as you think - they are rational actors engaging in practical decisions. Your failure to understand this will lead to your failure to really understand how the world works.

Incredibly spot on.