Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

And the idea of using 9/11 as some sort of measuring stick is pretty weird.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

"Do you know that when the Pope dies in Vatican City, its the equivalent of the entire population of Omaha dying at once!"

That's a fact too.  But it's not really relevant to anything.

lol

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

And the idea of using 9/11 as some sort of measuring stick is pretty weird.

Yeah I'm not so sure our cause and response to 9/11 is one to be modeled after.

[JWags85]

And the idea of using 9/11 as some sort of measuring stick is pretty weird.

Not sure if you're referring to me or what Muggsy has been ranting on.  I was just trying to think of a huge "if you do this you can prevent further deaths/attacks/etc..." example.  Not that 9/11 should be any blueprint for global conflict response/resolution/etc...  Just the notion that sometimes in war ends justifying the means can't immediately be assessed the very next day.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Not sure if you're referring to me or what Muggsy has been ranting on.  I was just trying to think of a huge "if you do this you can prevent further deaths/attacks/etc..." example.  Not that 9/11 should be any blueprint for global conflict response/resolution/etc...  Just the notion that sometimes in war ends justifying the means can't immediately be assessed the very next day.

Fair enough, but waiting until later to determine if the ends justify the means can be quite the slippery slope to rationalization. I think you make a valid enough point though.

[Pakuni]

Palestinian citizens = Nazis?

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/house-republican-says-the-term-innocent-palestinian-civilians-is-like-saying-innocent-nazi-civilians/

[Jockey]

Palestinian citizens = Nazis?

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/house-republican-says-the-term-innocent-palestinian-civilians-is-like-saying-innocent-nazi-civilians/

Consider the source.

[forgetful]

So I read into that as well, and its again a little more shades of grey.  They didn't say "go to the Fiserv Forum for safety" and then bombed the Fiserv Forum.  It was more general areas of southern Gaza, but then the IDF has also said they would not be completely stopping attacks in southern Gaza, which leads to strikes in the vicinity of civilians that have moved.

I dont disagree its nasty business and that the IDF could afford to be more tactical and cautious in some of their attacks, but I do object to this idea that the IDF is directing civilians to hot spots to easily attack those hotspots like shooting fish in a barrel.  It does nothing to further their goals/mission and only further hurts their cause.  As I said before, if Israel truly wanted to be genocidal and engage in good old ethnic cleansing, they have had every opportunity and resources to do so without skirting around the edges, which is wholly ineffective if that was truly the goal.

In general, I agree they never said they would stop attacks in southern Gaza which I think is ok, but I disagree with the bolded. In the cases described by the BBC (particularly the Rafah bombings) they pretty much did exactly that.

They told people to leave specific neighborhoods and go to the shelter in the Rafah city center. Then bombed the exact location in the Rafah city center (and didn't bomb the neighborhoods they warned).

Similarly, in Khan Younis, they told them to seek safety in the Khan Younis city center, and then promptly bombed the city center.

That would be like telling people in Mequon to go to the Fiserv for safety, and then bombing downtown Milwaukee.

There really needs to be very specific and detailed explanations for these actions, because there are no good explanations. Israel offered no explanations when contacted.

[MuggsyB]

The only war crimes being committed are by Hamas.  Using Palestinians as human shields is a war crime.  Not allowing them to leave is a war crime.  Based on the ruthless and barbaric murders of Hamas the fact that Israel is using any restraint at all is remarkable. 

[CreightonWarrior]

The only war crimes being committed are by Hamas.  Using Palestinians as human shields is a war crime.  Not allowing them to leave is a war crime.  Based on the ruthless and barbaric murders of Hamas the fact that Israel is using any restraint at all is remarkable.

dear lord

[Heisenberg]

So, what is the proportional response when this is what your enemy says?

He has a wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghazi_Hamad

Israel is in a fight for its very survival, and Hamas will pay a terrible price, and so will the civilians who want to be Maytrs.

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Hamas Official: We Will Repeat October 7 Attacks Until Israel Is Annihilated
The existence of Israel is the root of all violence and pain, Hamas official Ghazi Hamad tells Lebanese TV
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-01/ty-article/hamas-official-we-will-repeat-october-7-attacks-until-israel-is-annihilated/0000018b-8b9d-db7e-af9b-ebdfbee90000

A senior Hamas official said in an interview aired last week that the October 7 attack against Israel were just the beginning, vowing to launch "a second, a third, a fourth" attack until the country is "annihilated."

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1719662664090075199

Ghazi Hamad – whose comments were transcribed by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), a Washington-based think tank – added in the LBC interview that "Israel has no place on our land. We must remove the country because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe."

As for the October 7 attacks – which left more than 1,300 Israelis in the south slaughtered and hundreds dragged into the Gaza Strip – Hamad declared that "we must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do this again and again."

Regarding the wholesale killing of civilians, Hamad said "Hamas did not want to harm civilians, but there were complications on the ground." Hamad added that "everything we do is justified."

Hamas terrorists who attacked Gaza border communities were found with detailed maps and documentation indicating intent to take over schools and abduct citizens, including children.

[Heisenberg]

Why are you so intent on using this issue to fight your culture war?  It's pretty demented actually.

It makes you uncomfortable ... doesn't it?

Worldviews that do not fit Western Progressive ideology (the only correct worldview!) tend to do this. So those views must be "demented."

[Heisenberg]

dear lord

And speaking of the Western progressive Worldview that cannot handle anything but what they think is correct because what they think is the only correct way to view things.

And nice touch with the religious Christian reference to genocidal Muslims. It is very "colonizing" of you.

[Heisenberg]

Good piece on Western Progressive thought unable to see different worldviews.

(bold is my emphasis)
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The Day the Delusions Died
A lot of people woke up on October 7 as progressives and went to bed that night feeling like conservatives. What changed?
By Konstantin Kisin
October 22, 2023

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin

When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities. They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.

A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn't really a joke and she wasn't the only one. What changed?

The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell, one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987, Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics. We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions, each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.

Those with "unconstrained vision" think that humans are malleable and can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.

By contrast, those who see the world through a "constrained vision" lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce. People who see things this way believe that most political and social problems will never be "solved"; they can only be managed. This approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.

Hamas's barbarism—and the explanations and celebrations throughout the West that followed their orgy of violence—have forced an overnight exodus from the "unconstrained" camp into the "constrained" one.

The Reality of Woke Ideology

Many people woke up on October 7 sympathetic to parts of woke ideology and went to bed that evening questioning how they had signed on to a worldview that had nothing to say about the mass rape and murder of innocent people by terrorists.

The reaction to the attacks—from outwardly pro-Hamas protests to the mealy-mouthed statements of college presidents, celebrities, and CEOs—has exploded the comforting stories many on the center-left have told themselves about progressive identity politics. For many years, they opted for the coping mechanism of pretending that the institutional capture of universities, corporations, and media organizations by the woke mind virus was no big deal. "Sure, students shutting down events they disagree with is annoying," they would say, "but it's just students doing what students do."

October 8 was a wake-up call for those who didn't appreciate that the ideology of the campus has spread to our cities, supercharged by social media.

We woke up on October 8 to the clamor of street protests in cities across the West condemning Israel even before any major Israeli response to the attacks. We watched celebratory crowds brandish swastikas and chant "gas the Jews" at events purporting to be about the loss of Palestinian lives. We saw Black Lives Matter chapters lionize terrorists.

In London, where I live, we watched the mayor deliver glib assurances that "London's diversity is our greatest strength" in the midst of a wave of antisemitic attacks, and as Jewish schools were forced to close because of safety concerns.

Across the West, we noticed that our representatives refused to condemn Hamas's kidnappings, and that the legacy media was all too eager to swallow and regurgitate Hamas propaganda.

Prior to the October 7 massacre, many students, alumni, and donors with the "unconstrained vision" trusted that the university—for all its many problems—remained the West's best environment for civil discourse.

But then they watched university presidents who were quick to issue statements condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the killing of George Floyd fall silent, or offer the most slippery, equivocal statements carefully crafted to avoid offending anti-Israel groups. They watched an Israeli at Columbia get beaten with a stick, and heard reports about the physical intimidation of students on campuses across the country. They read about dozens of student organizations at Harvard signing a letter holding Israel "entirely responsible" for the massacre of Israelis.

The events of the last two weeks have shattered the illusion that wokeness is about protecting victims and standing up for persecuted minorities. This ideology is and has always been about the one thing many of us have told you it is about for years: power. And after the last two weeks, there can be no doubt about how these people will use any power they seize: they will seek to destroy, in any way they can, those who disagree.

This unpleasant conclusion is surprising only if you are still clinging to the unconstrained vision. But if there is any constant in human history, it is that revolutionaries always feel entitled to destroy those who stand in their way.

Just as hope about the possibility of peace with jihadists seems suicidally naive, reconciliation with citizens seized by the woke mindset seems a long way off.

Immigration

Nowhere is the shift from the unconstrained to constrained vision starkest than on immigration.

For decades, both Europe and America basked in an "unconstrained vision" of immigration. In the U.S., the melting pot that could integrate the nineteenth-century Germans, Irish Catholics, or Japanese could surely absorb those crossing the southern border. And many of these new arrivals would do jobs Americans didn't want to do. Europe needed immigration to deal with an aging population, with many European countries inviting people from their former colonies to fill labor shortages and skills gaps.

But over time, especially from the late 1990s onward, the unconstrained vision ran rampant through media and political elites, and immigration went from being a solution to specific problems to a moral good in its own right. (I am myself an immigrant. When I moved to Britain from Russia in 1996, net immigration into Britain ran at 55,000 people a year. Last year, net immigration stood at over 600,000 people.)

Over the past decade, more and more people in America and Europe have quietly shifted toward the "constrained" view of immigration. The Brexit referendum and the election of Donald Trump were early warning signs of this ongoing transformation. Today, we see New York, where nearly 60,000 newly arrived migrants are putting tremendous strain on shelters and city services like healthcare, education, and public transport. The city has already spent over $1 billion to address this crisis, and projections indicate that housing costs alone could exceed $4.3 billion by next summer. Lifelong Democrats in Manhattan tell The New York Times that "we have too many people coming in," and that "Biden could do something more about putting our borders up a little stronger. I mean, we're not here to take in the whole world. We can only do so much."

Europeans have learned similar lessons from their own migrant crisis. In Britain, we spend approximately $10 million a day on hotels for people who have come here illegally. We refuse to deport foreign criminals over "human rights" concerns. Readers may recall seeing recent media reports about the small Italian island of Lampedusa, whose population quadrupled in a day as large numbers of illegal immigrants arrived. We have now learned that a man who shot two Swedish soccer fans dead in a terror attack in Brussels last week arrived there illegally via the island in 2011. The man was known to the authorities as a security risk due to his jihadi links, but when his asylum application was rejected in 2020, he was not deported. How many such people are allowed to come and stay in Europe is impossible to say, as hundreds of thousands of people make illegal crossings into Europe every year.

But despite these shocking statistics, the issue of illegal immigration has been impossible to discuss in polite company for decades. No matter how bad the problem became, to raise concerns about it would almost always lead to accusations of bigotry and xenophobia.

What we have witnessed over the last two weeks—with enormous pro-Hamas rallies in cities like London, Paris, and Washington, D.C.—has the potential to change the immigration debate in a decisive way. It is much harder to pretend that allowing people to enter our country illegally is a moral good when you watch some of them celebrate mass murder in the streets of your capital cities.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has recently announced the intention to deport illegal immigrants "on a large scale" as his coalition hemorrhages votes to anti-immigration parties. France has banned pro-Palestine protests and warned that foreign nationals who take part will be removed from the country. Britain has also threatened to revoke the visas of foreigners who praise Hamas. Whether this represents a permanent realignment toward a more constrained view of immigration or merely a temporary blip on the path to progressive dystopia remains to be seen.

Border Security

To express concern about border security has for many years been coded as "right-wing." But how many people, after the horrors of October 7, believe that a secure border is anything other than the most basic test of national security?

I have just returned from a week in Los Angeles where, on recognizing my name, every single Armenian Lyft driver struck up a conversation in Russian. Once the inevitable complaints about the rising cost of living were out of the way, several shared with me their own journeys into the U.S. and those of their families. I was struck by the fact that those who came in the 1990s and 2000s had usually come legally, but more recent arrivals had made their way through Mexico. One man told me about smuggling his two brothers and 80-year-old father through the southern border: "It's easy," he told me.

I have no doubt he is correct: 2023 saw the highest number of illegal crossings since records began. And polling shows that the American people, who are otherwise uniquely welcoming of new arrivals, aren't happy about it. The problem with illegal immigration isn't just its scale; it's that we have no idea whether the people coming are 80-year-old Armenian retirees or jihadi terrorists plotting another 9/11.

It is clearer now than ever before that borders aren't about bigotry, they're about security. In a sign of the times, Joe Biden is now continuing work on the border wall that Democrats spent years criticizing Donald Trump for erecting.

The West

The reason the readjustment is necessary and, in my view, highly likely, is that proponents of the unconstrained vision have been allowed to ride roughshod over the concerns of ordinary citizens. They have used this window of opportunity to implement extraordinarily impractical and outright harmful ideas because they take the unbelievable levels of safety, plenty, and freedom we enjoy in the West for granted. The one form of privilege you will never hear them address is the first-world privilege that we all benefit from every day.

They have done this because the fundamental flaw in the unconstrained model of the world is a failure to understand Thomas Sowell's greatest maxim: there are no solutions, only trade-offs. When you let your institutions be captured by an ideology of intolerance and illiberalism masquerading as progress, that has consequences. When you sow division at home and signal weakness abroad, that has consequences. When you debase the public's faith in what they are told by the media and their government, that has consequences too.

Western civilization has produced some of the most stunning scientific, technological, social, and cultural breakthroughs in human history. If you consider yourself "liberal" or even "progressive," it must surely be clear by now that America and her allies are the only places in the world where your values are even considered values. If our civilization is allowed to collapse, it will not be replaced by a progressive utopia. It will be replaced by chaos and barbarism.


Will this waking-up moment persist? It depends, in large part, on our courage to look reality in the face.

As Sowell explained, "When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear."

And the truth is that we have indulged in magical thinking for too long, choosing comforting myths over harsh realities. About terrorism. About immigration. And about a host of other issues. In our hunger for progress, we have forgotten that not all change is for the better. Now the world is paying the price for that self-indulgence. Let's hope recent events are the wake-up call we so desperately need.

[Heisenberg]

It is really pathetic that the top law firms have lost so much trust in the administration of law schools that they feel it necessary to police them.

[Heisenberg]

The law school letter above might be in response to this video.

It shows Harvard students physically attacking Jewish students on campus.

One of them is Ibrahim Bharmal, editor of the Harvard Law Review.

He has not been disciplined or suspended.

https://canarymission.org/individual/Ibrahim_Bharmal

Thought experiment  - if a white editor of the Harvard Law Review physically attacked a minority or LGBTQ+ student, how do you think Harvard would have responded?

[Lennys Tap]

Good piece on the Western Progressive thought be unable to see a worldview that differs from what they think.

(bold is my emphasis)
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The Day the Delusions Died
A lot of people woke up on October 7 as progressives and went to bed that night feeling like conservatives. What changed?
By Konstantin Kisin
October 22, 2023

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin

When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities. They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.

A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn't really a joke and she wasn't the only one. What changed?

The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell, one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987, Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics. We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions, each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.

Those with "unconstrained vision" think that humans are malleable and can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.

By contrast, those who see the world through a "constrained vision" lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce. People who see things this way believe that most political and social problems will never be "solved"; they can only be managed. This approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.

Hamas's barbarism—and the explanations and celebrations throughout the West that followed their orgy of violence—have forced an overnight exodus from the "unconstrained" camp into the "constrained" one.

The Reality of Woke Ideology

Many people woke up on October 7 sympathetic to parts of woke ideology and went to bed that evening questioning how they had signed on to a worldview that had nothing to say about the mass rape and murder of innocent people by terrorists.

The reaction to the attacks—from outwardly pro-Hamas protests to the mealy-mouthed statements of college presidents, celebrities, and CEOs—has exploded the comforting stories many on the center-left have told themselves about progressive identity politics. For many years, they opted for the coping mechanism of pretending that the institutional capture of universities, corporations, and media organizations by the woke mind virus was no big deal. "Sure, students shutting down events they disagree with is annoying," they would say, "but it's just students doing what students do."

October 8 was a wake-up call for those who didn't appreciate that the ideology of the campus has spread to our cities, supercharged by social media.

We woke up on October 8 to the clamor of street protests in cities across the West condemning Israel even before any major Israeli response to the attacks. We watched celebratory crowds brandish swastikas and chant "gas the Jews" at events purporting to be about the loss of Palestinian lives. We saw Black Lives Matter chapters lionize terrorists.

In London, where I live, we watched the mayor deliver glib assurances that "London's diversity is our greatest strength" in the midst of a wave of antisemitic attacks, and as Jewish schools were forced to close because of safety concerns.

Across the West, we noticed that our representatives refused to condemn Hamas's kidnappings, and that the legacy media was all too eager to swallow and regurgitate Hamas propaganda.

Prior to the October 7 massacre, many students, alumni, and donors with the "unconstrained vision" trusted that the university—for all its many problems—remained the West's best environment for civil discourse.

But then they watched university presidents who were quick to issue statements condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the killing of George Floyd fall silent, or offer the most slippery, equivocal statements carefully crafted to avoid offending anti-Israel groups. They watched an Israeli at Columbia get beaten with a stick, and heard reports about the physical intimidation of students on campuses across the country. They read about dozens of student organizations at Harvard signing a letter holding Israel "entirely responsible" for the massacre of Israelis.

The events of the last two weeks have shattered the illusion that wokeness is about protecting victims and standing up for persecuted minorities. This ideology is and has always been about the one thing many of us have told you it is about for years: power. And after the last two weeks, there can be no doubt about how these people will use any power they seize: they will seek to destroy, in any way they can, those who disagree.

This unpleasant conclusion is surprising only if you are still clinging to the unconstrained vision. But if there is any constant in human history, it is that revolutionaries always feel entitled to destroy those who stand in their way.

Just as hope about the possibility of peace with jihadists seems suicidally naive, reconciliation with citizens seized by the woke mindset seems a long way off.

Immigration

Nowhere is the shift from the unconstrained to constrained vision starkest than on immigration.

For decades, both Europe and America basked in an "unconstrained vision" of immigration. In the U.S., the melting pot that could integrate the nineteenth-century Germans, Irish Catholics, or Japanese could surely absorb those crossing the southern border. And many of these new arrivals would do jobs Americans didn't want to do. Europe needed immigration to deal with an aging population, with many European countries inviting people from their former colonies to fill labor shortages and skills gaps.

But over time, especially from the late 1990s onward, the unconstrained vision ran rampant through media and political elites, and immigration went from being a solution to specific problems to a moral good in its own right. (I am myself an immigrant. When I moved to Britain from Russia in 1996, net immigration into Britain ran at 55,000 people a year. Last year, net immigration stood at over 600,000 people.)

Over the past decade, more and more people in America and Europe have quietly shifted toward the "constrained" view of immigration. The Brexit referendum and the election of Donald Trump were early warning signs of this ongoing transformation. Today, we see New York, where nearly 60,000 newly arrived migrants are putting tremendous strain on shelters and city services like healthcare, education, and public transport. The city has already spent over $1 billion to address this crisis, and projections indicate that housing costs alone could exceed $4.3 billion by next summer. Lifelong Democrats in Manhattan tell The New York Times that "we have too many people coming in," and that "Biden could do something more about putting our borders up a little stronger. I mean, we're not here to take in the whole world. We can only do so much."

Europeans have learned similar lessons from their own migrant crisis. In Britain, we spend approximately $10 million a day on hotels for people who have come here illegally. We refuse to deport foreign criminals over "human rights" concerns. Readers may recall seeing recent media reports about the small Italian island of Lampedusa, whose population quadrupled in a day as large numbers of illegal immigrants arrived. We have now learned that a man who shot two Swedish soccer fans dead in a terror attack in Brussels last week arrived there illegally via the island in 2011. The man was known to the authorities as a security risk due to his jihadi links, but when his asylum application was rejected in 2020, he was not deported. How many such people are allowed to come and stay in Europe is impossible to say, as hundreds of thousands of people make illegal crossings into Europe every year.

But despite these shocking statistics, the issue of illegal immigration has been impossible to discuss in polite company for decades. No matter how bad the problem became, to raise concerns about it would almost always lead to accusations of bigotry and xenophobia.

What we have witnessed over the last two weeks—with enormous pro-Hamas rallies in cities like London, Paris, and Washington, D.C.—has the potential to change the immigration debate in a decisive way. It is much harder to pretend that allowing people to enter our country illegally is a moral good when you watch some of them celebrate mass murder in the streets of your capital cities.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has recently announced the intention to deport illegal immigrants "on a large scale" as his coalition hemorrhages votes to anti-immigration parties. France has banned pro-Palestine protests and warned that foreign nationals who take part will be removed from the country. Britain has also threatened to revoke the visas of foreigners who praise Hamas. Whether this represents a permanent realignment toward a more constrained view of immigration or merely a temporary blip on the path to progressive dystopia remains to be seen.

Border Security

To express concern about border security has for many years been coded as "right-wing." But how many people, after the horrors of October 7, believe that a secure border is anything other than the most basic test of national security?

I have just returned from a week in Los Angeles where, on recognizing my name, every single Armenian Lyft driver struck up a conversation in Russian. Once the inevitable complaints about the rising cost of living were out of the way, several shared with me their own journeys into the U.S. and those of their families. I was struck by the fact that those who came in the 1990s and 2000s had usually come legally, but more recent arrivals had made their way through Mexico. One man told me about smuggling his two brothers and 80-year-old father through the southern border: "It's easy," he told me.

I have no doubt he is correct: 2023 saw the highest number of illegal crossings since records began. And polling shows that the American people, who are otherwise uniquely welcoming of new arrivals, aren't happy about it. The problem with illegal immigration isn't just its scale; it's that we have no idea whether the people coming are 80-year-old Armenian retirees or jihadi terrorists plotting another 9/11.

It is clearer now than ever before that borders aren't about bigotry, they're about security. In a sign of the times, Joe Biden is now continuing work on the border wall that Democrats spent years criticizing Donald Trump for erecting.

The West

The reason the readjustment is necessary and, in my view, highly likely, is that proponents of the unconstrained vision have been allowed to ride roughshod over the concerns of ordinary citizens. They have used this window of opportunity to implement extraordinarily impractical and outright harmful ideas because they take the unbelievable levels of safety, plenty, and freedom we enjoy in the West for granted. The one form of privilege you will never hear them address is the first-world privilege that we all benefit from every day.

They have done this because the fundamental flaw in the unconstrained model of the world is a failure to understand Thomas Sowell's greatest maxim: there are no solutions, only trade-offs. When you let your institutions be captured by an ideology of intolerance and illiberalism masquerading as progress, that has consequences. When you sow division at home and signal weakness abroad, that has consequences. When you debase the public's faith in what they are told by the media and their government, that has consequences too.

Western civilization has produced some of the most stunning scientific, technological, social, and cultural breakthroughs in human history. If you consider yourself "liberal" or even "progressive," it must surely be clear by now that America and her allies are the only places in the world where your values are even considered values. If our civilization is allowed to collapse, it will not be replaced by a progressive utopia. It will be replaced by chaos and barbarism.


Will this waking-up moment persist? It depends, in large part, on our courage to look reality in the face.

As Sowell explained, "When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear."

And the truth is that we have indulged in magical thinking for too long, choosing comforting myths over harsh realities. About terrorism. About immigration. And about a host of other issues. In our hunger for progress, we have forgotten that not all change is for the better. Now the world is paying the price for that self-indulgence. Let's hope recent events are the wake-up call we so desperately need.

Thomas Sowell is a wise man.

[Heisenberg]

Cornell arrested the student that made death and rape threats against Jewish students this past week.

He is a 21 junior studying computer science. He  was a National Merit Scholar and had a perfect math score on the math section of the SAT

CBS describes him as:
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/cornell-students-shocked-by-arrest-of-fellow-student-patrick-dai-for-antisemitic-threats/
Dai is a Chinese American who grew up in Pittsford, N.Y., about 80 miles from the Ithaca campus.

He is currently sitting on a NY jail. And Gov. Kathy Hochul said Wednesday she wants Dai to face the harshest punishment possible, and is looking into whether state charges could also be filed against him.

"I want to make an example of this. As I said earlier to those students - if you do this, you will be caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law," Hochul said.

[Heisenberg]

Jewish students at Columbia are coming forward to say they are being assaulted.

Thought experiment #2.

This (Columbia), Cornell, and Harvard stories are all less than 24 hours old. What would have been the response if we found three such incidents by white students against minorities/LGBTQ+ students?

We do not have to think hard about it. In 2017, we had one incident of white supremacists on the University of Virginia campus, and three years later, Biden used it as a significant campaign issue to run for president.

These incidents, and the ones that came before, and presumably the ones to come, are not (maybe yet) rising to this level.

Will they? Will this be what we are voting on in a year? The 2017 University of Virginia incident was in 2020 (at least Biden wanted that to be the case).

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https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/echoing-concerns-at-cornell-jewish-students-at-columbia-university-say-theyre-experiencing-antisemitism/

On Monday at Columbia, senior Noa Fay joined other Jewish students in demanding the university do more about antisemitism there as well.

"We have students on our campus calling out by name explicitly, that they want certain students on this campus to die slowly," Fay said.

"I don't feel safe. Someone had to make a group chat to escort Jewish students on campus," student Jessie Brenner added.

The NYPD confirmed that a swastika was found on a bathroom wall on Friday. Student Eli Shmidman said someone recently shouted an expletive at him as he walked into a campus building.

"He said (expletive) the Jews," Shmidman said. "I've seen them parrot foul antisemitic tropes.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The law school letter above might be in response to this video.

It shows Harvard students physically attacking Jewish students on campus.

One of them is Ibrahim Bharmal, editor of the Harvard Law Review.

He has not been disciplined or suspended.

https://canarymission.org/individual/Ibrahim_Bharmal

Thought experiment  - if a white editor of the Harvard Law Review physically attacked a minority or LGBTQ+ student, how do you think Harvard would have responded?

I watched the video. I honestly can't tell what's happening in the video. The cameraman appears to walk through the middle of a protest and they respond by holding up cloths and trying to herd him away from the protest (depending on the specifics, this could theoretically be a place that the university could intervene but it is tricky. From what I can tell, I think the university would have been within their rights to break up this protest). I can hear the cameraman say "stop touching me" and "stop grabbing me" repeatedly with people responding "no one is touching you" "no one is grabbing you". No grabbing or touching is captured on video, which doesn't mean it's not happening, I just can't conclude based on this video that Bharmal "physically attacked" a Jewish student, especially considering that Bharmal is only visible for about a second in the video and his hands are clearly not touching the cameraman at that point.

Also, how do you know Bharmal isn't being disciplined? These types of investigations typically take a couple of months (as a result of additional due process requirements put into place by the Trump administration). In the meantime, universities are not allowed to punish a student in any way except under very specific circumstances (which this would likely not qualify). Further, these proceedings are protected by FERPA so even if Bharmal is disciplined, the university cannot disclose that fact.

To answer your thought question, they would investigate. Which is what I assume Harvard is likely doing here, assuming there is a willing complainant (another Trump-era due process requirement though there are some loopholes to get around it).

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Cornell arrested the student that made death and rape threats against Jewish students this past week.

He is a 21 junior studying computer science. He  was a National Merit Scholar and had a perfect math score on the math section of the SAT

CBS describes him as:
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/cornell-students-shocked-by-arrest-of-fellow-student-patrick-dai-for-antisemitic-threats/
Dai is a Chinese American who grew up in Pittsford, N.Y., about 80 miles from the Ithaca campus.

He is currently sitting on a NY jail. And Gov. Kathy Hochul said Wednesday she wants Dai to face the harshest punishment possible, and is looking into whether state charges could also be filed against him.

"I want to make an example of this. As I said earlier to those students - if you do this, you will be caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law," Hochul said.

Huh, I guess universities do take this seriously after all. BTW, what Dai allegedly posted was not protected speech so open season on him.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Jewish students at Columbia are coming forward to say they are being assaulted.

Thought experiment #2.

This (Columbia), Cornell, and Harvard stories are all less than 24 hours old. What would have been the response if we found three such incidents by white students against minorities/LGBTQ+ students?

I looked for stories about Jewish students at Columbia being assaulted within the past 24 hours, I didn't find any. I found one article mentioning the student who was assaulted several weeks ago (the article was about Columbia launching a new anti-semitism task force), I'm not sure if that's what you meant. My understanding in that case is that no suspect has been identified but it is being investigated as a hate crime. So to answer your thought experiment, they would handle it in the exact same way.

We do not have to think hard about it. In 2017, we had one incident of white supremacists on the University of Virginia campus, and three years later, Biden used it as a significant campaign issue to run for president.

These incidents, and the ones that came before, and presumably the ones to come, are not (maybe yet) rising to this level.

Will they? Will this be what we are voting on in a year? The 2017 University of Virginia incident was in 2020 (at least Biden wanted that to be the case).

I do believe Gaza will be a huge topic during the election but given that both likely candidates are staunchly pro-Israel I'm not sure how much movement it will cause. I don't think the student protests will be a large topic because again, both likely candidates are coming down on the same side (whereas in 2017, one candidate tried to support both sides). I could see it playing a larger role in the greater election picture in specific local, state, and legislative elections.

[The Sultan]

It makes you uncomfortable ... doesn't it?

Worldviews that do not fit Western Progressive ideology (the only correct worldview!) tend to do this. So those views must be "demented."

I'm not uncomfortable in the least. Why should I be? 

I think I have a way better grasp on this than you do.

[The Sultan]

Thomas Sowell is a wise man.

Not really. "Woke ideology" is a completely made up thing. It's a straw man of extreme political views that few people actually share.

[4everwarriors]

Really? Unfookin' insane, hey?