Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Pakuni]

Oh boy...I'm not sure about the bolded.

But regardless, I don't think it matters. Most professors just teach their subject matter regardless of their political beliefs either way.

Right. And probably 80+ percent of the students are largely apolitical or pay attention, but generally are uninvolved.
People with little experience in higher education see these protests and believe it's a reflection of the university community as a whole, when in reality it's a small minority.

[Uncle Rico]

Right. And probably 80+ percent of the students are largely apolitical or pay attention, but generally are uninvolved.
People with little experience in higher education see these protests and believe it's a reflection of the university community as a whole, when in reality it's a small minority.

We call those people baby boomers usually

[Heisenberg]

They are posted to Greekrank, a site used by college kids to determine which fraternities/sororities are best, that has no affiliation with the University.

It is disgusting, and needs to be fully vetted, but the choice of where it was posted suggests this might be a disgustingly crude ploy by an attention seeker. Or some crude dare/hazing event.

So it's a bunch of stupid frat boys thinking they are being funny?

Are Jewish students wrong for thinking there is a group at Cornell that wants to commit violence against them?




Anti-Israel graffiti stains Campus Road and Cornell
https://www.thecornellreview.org/cornell-anti-israel-graffiti-messages/

Spray paint on the main sidewalk of Campus Road, depicting messages such as "Zionism = Racism" and "Israel is Fascist" appeared on Wednesday morning.

Some time before 9:00 AM, the graffiti began on Campus Road sidewalks between Olin and Sage Halls on campus. As-yet unknown perpetrators painted messages in red and white spray paint and displayed the following messages along the primary thoroughfare: "Israel is Fascist," "Zionism = Racism," "Free Palestine," and "F*ck Israel."

[Uncle Rico]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/years-israeli-failures-hamas-led-115616625.html

Good look into the Israeli intelligence failure.  Also a good look into the failure of the current leadership and Netanyahu weakening the military with his attempts to protect himself from prosecution.  Very interesting

[Skatastrophy]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/years-israeli-failures-hamas-led-115616625.html

Good look into the Israeli intelligence failure.  Also a good look into the failure of the current leadership and Netanyahu weakening the military with his attempts to protect himself from prosecution.  Very interesting

That's how right wing governments/dictatorships operate. They need to disassemble the judicial and disable the military for fear that they'll be overthrown. Actively tearing down the functional systems around them is the modus operandi of potential future dictators. It is not guaranteed that Netanyahu agrees to a peaceful transfer of power this next cycle. It was pretty big news earlier this year.

Hopefully this war has made the Israelis less complacent with regards to Netanyahu.

[Uncle Rico]

 

That's how right wing governments/dictatorships operate. They need to disassemble the judicial and disable the military for fear that they'll be overthrown. Actively tearing down the functional systems around them is the modus operandi of potential future dictators. It is not guaranteed that Netanyahu agrees to a peaceful transfer of power this next cycle. It was pretty big news earlier this year.

Hopefully this war has made the Israelis less complacent with regards to Netanyahu.

Yup.  Sounds pretty familiar

[TSmith34, Inc.]

That's how right wing governments/dictatorships operate. They need to disassemble the judicial and disable the military for fear that they'll be overthrown. Actively tearing down the functional systems around them is the modus operandi of potential future dictators. It is not guaranteed that Netanyahu agrees to a peaceful transfer of power this next cycle. It was pretty big news earlier this year.

Hopefully this war has made the Israelis less complacent with regards to Netanyahu.

Project 2025

With a nearly 1,000-page "Project 2025" handbook and an "army" of Americans, the idea is to have the civic infrastructure in place on Day One to commandeer, reshape and do away with what Republicans deride as the "deep state" bureaucracy, in part by firing as many as 50,000 federal workers.

Instead, Trump-era conservatives want to gut the "administrative state" from within, by ousting federal employees they believe are standing in the way of the president's agenda and replacing them with like-minded officials more eager to fulfill a new executive's approach to governing.

There's a "top to bottom overhaul" of the Department of Justice, particularly curbing its independence and ending FBI efforts to combat the spread of misinformation. It calls for stepped-up prosecution of anyone providing or distributing abortion pills by mail.

To push past senators who try to block presidential Cabinet nominees, Project 2025 proposes installing top allies in acting administrative roles, as was done during the Trump administration to bypass the Senate confirmation process.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservatives-aim-to-restructure-u-s-government-and-replace-it-with-trumps-vision

It is an open call for authoritarian rule, and one side is perfectly fine with it.

[Heisenberg]

That's how right wing governments/dictatorships operate. They need to disassemble the judicial and disable the military for fear that they'll be overthrown. Actively tearing down the functional systems around them is the modus operandi of potential future dictators. It is not guaranteed that Netanyahu agrees to a peaceful transfer of power this next cycle. It was pretty big news earlier this year.

Hopefully this war has made the Israelis less complacent with regards to Netanyahu.

I am struggling to recall everyone blaming Roosevelt for the attack on Pearl Harbor. I seem to remember the blame on, you know, the people that attacked, the Japanese.

[Skatastrophy]

I am struggling to recall everyone blaming Roosevelt for the attack on Pearl Harbor. I seem to remember the blame on, you know, the people that attacked, the Japanese.

I didn't blame Netanyahu for the attacks by Hamas and their allies. I blame Netanyahu for weakening their military, which he did ahead of his attempt to seize control of the country. I don't think it's a controversial or argumentative point.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-brass-brief-knesset-on-military-readiness-amid-reservist-protests/

My point is that Israeli's "let" Netanyahu do this. Hopefully there's a silver lining to the Hamas terrorism that Israeli's wake up to Netanyahu's actions and how dangerous they are for the nation of Israel

[jesmu84]

A message, in English, to the Palestinians to move south after they turned off telecommunications?

How come no action in Qatar, where allegedly, Hamas leaders reside?

[Pakuni]

I am struggling to recall everyone blaming Roosevelt for the attack on Pearl Harbor. I seem to remember the blame on, you know, the people that attacked, the Japanese.

Lots of people blamed Roosevelt for Pearl Harbor. They still do.
There's plenty of evidence that he and his administration missed - or, for the conspiracy theorists, willfully ignored - signals of an imminent attack. And then there are those who believe Roosevelt goaded Japan into an attack to give the U.S. an entry into WWII.
I'm not saying they're right, but it would incorrect to say Roosevelt didn't get blame.

As for Netanyahu, I don't think anyone is saying he is responsible for the attack, but rather his administration missed warning sings and took its eyes off Hamas because it was instead laser-focused on consolidating power internally.

[MU82]

I am struggling to recall everyone blaming Roosevelt for the attack on Pearl Harbor. I seem to remember the blame on, you know, the people that attacked, the Japanese.

You need to read what Israeli Jews are saying in the Israeli press. They are not happy with Bibi. And yes, many blame him for their unpreparedness for the Hamas attack.

Then again, you are closer to the situation and have more at stake than actual Israeli Jews, so probably should just listen to you.

[Heisenberg]

A message, in English, to the Palestinians to move south after they turned off telecommunications?

How come no action in Qatar, where allegedly, Hamas leaders reside?

He did!

Hamas leader Isamil Haniyeh, who lives in Doha Qatar Four Season Hotel, appeared on the Lebanese Al-Mayadeen Network last Thursday(October 26)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmZ2kY0dOQo

Al-Mayadeen provided English subtitles of his Arabic appearance.


Starting at 1:40:

I have said this before, and I say is time and again: The blood of the women, children, and elderly. I am not saying that this blood is calling for your (help). We are the ones who need the blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit, so it awakens our resolve. So it awakens with us the spirit of the challenge and (pushes us) to move forward.

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Hamas, which is the government of Gaza, does not care about its citizens. It wants them to die (Marytr) at the hands of the Israelis by using them as human shields. It relies on the West to view their deaths in horror. They do not. This allows Hamas to get what they want.

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I've argued that the conceit of Western progressives is they think everyone agrees with them. Everyone wants what they want.

But this is not how the world works. Some cultures and societies hold views that are incompatible with others. And the only way to rectify this is via conquest. Someone has to win and have their view prevail or the other. This is the story of human history, and it is what needs to happen in the Middle East.

The problem with Western progressives is when they encounter something that truly defies their worldview, "breaks their brain." To rationalize, they convince themselves it is taken out of context, needs to be understood with "nuisance," or dissembled.

This ongoing thread is nothing but Western Progressives unable to understand some people (Palasestians) think differently from them and want different things (like the death of all Jews) and are desperate to rationalize this inconsistency.

Walter Russell Mead made this exact point in the Hidden Forces podcast today.

https://hiddenforces.io/

(from the transcript)

I do think that the American idea that what everybody really wants is prosperity and freedom, and that if you give people those things, you'll be fine. And ultimately everything will work out. That is so deeply ingrained in American culture that every now and then something will come along and shape that conviction. But like Sisyphus rolling the stone, it'll roll right back down to that original position. So, you think like 1913, everybody in America is basically thinking the era of wars is over. Norman Angell wrote this book The Great Illusion, that war was economically unprofitable, therefore no rational person would do it.

Therefore, we won't have many more, if any more great power wars, militaries are obsolete, sold really well until August 1914, but by 1919 we're already, "Okay, World War I, that was really terrible. But now we're going to make the League of Nations and we're really going to have prosperity and peace around the world." And then you get after World War II, "Oh, that was really terrible, but the United Nations and we're going to cooperate." The US actually demobilized 90% after 1945 before Stalin scared us enough to reinstitute the draft. And then at the end of the Cold War, as if none of these previous disillusionments had ever happened, we are right back in our happy place. So, I think we like to think of ourselves as fully rational actors who logically look at things from an independent perspective. But if we look at our history and the people who buy this are the intellectuals, the well-read, the well-educated. Ordinary people are probably a bit more skeptical of the whole thing all along. But it's the American intellectual is a happy clappy liberal at some very fundamental level.

[Heisenberg]

You need to read what Israeli Jews are saying in the Israeli press. They are not happy with Bibi. And yes, many blame him for their unpreparedness for the Hamas attack.

Then again, you are closer to the situation and have more at stake than actual Israeli Jews, so probably should just listen to you.

I know Bibi made a big mistake, and he is probably done. But it does not matter.

The Israelis formed a unity government, and even if Benny Gantz is in charge tomorrow, nothing changes about the way they are going to prosecute this war.

They will get rid of Bibi when it is over. They do not want to show weakness.

[MuggsyB]

Is the baby in the oven report true?

[MU82]

I know Bibi made a big mistake, and he is probably done. But it does not matter.

The Israelis formed a unity government, and even if Benny Gantz is in charge tomorrow, nothing changes about the way they are going to prosecute this war.

They will get rid of Bibi when it is over. They do not want to show weakness.

My post was in response to you suggesting that Bibi wouldn't or shouldn't be held responsible, at least in part, for Israel's unpreparedness. The fact is, plenty of Israelis are indeed holding him responsible.

The corrupt, extremist, narcissistic a-hole was too worried about trying to abuse power in an attempt to save his own skin. As someone else said, that sounds pretty familiar.

[jesmu84]

He did!

Hamas leader Isamil Haniyeh, who lives in Doha Qatar Four Season Hotel, appeared on the Lebanese Al-Mayadeen Network last Thursday(October 26)

Sorry. I meant why no military action against the Hamas leaders. Instead of indiscriminate bombing near/on top of innocent civilians

[Heisenberg]

Sorry. I meant why no military action against the Hamas leaders. Instead of indiscriminate bombing near/on top of innocent civilians

What's your evidence they are indiscriminate bombing, as opposed to targeted bombing of military targets?

Who put the innocent civilians on those targets? See again what the leader of Hamas said.

Then look at the nearly 10,000 rockets Hamas and PIJ have fired since October 7? What is their target? Is it indiscriminate?

[Boozemon Barro]

Sorry. I meant why no military action against the Hamas leaders. Instead of indiscriminate bombing near/on top of innocent civilians

If you know where they are, I'd suggest letting the proper authorities know!

[Heisenberg]

My post was in response to you suggesting that Bibi wouldn't or shouldn't be held responsible, at least in part, for Israel's unpreparedness. The fact is, plenty of Israelis are indeed holding him responsible.

The corrupt, extremist, narcissistic a-hole was too worried about trying to abuse power in an attempt to save his own skin. As someone else said, that sounds pretty familiar.

Bibi should be held responsible for the intelligence failure, not the attack.

[forgetful]

What's your evidence they are indiscriminate bombing, as opposed to targeted bombing of military targets?

Who put the innocent civilians on those targets? See again what the leader of Hamas said.

Then look at the nearly 10,000 rockets Hamas and PIJ have fired since October 7? What is their target? Is it indiscriminate?

Israeli leaders today said they would target any vehicle in Gaza, because both civilians and Hamas can use cars (that is by definition indiscriminate). This while they dropped leaflets telling the people to leave, presumably in cars.

While they do prioritize military targets, they have made it abundantly clear in both language and actions that they view all Palestinians as complicit if they remain in Northern Gaza.

420 children are dying every day in bombings.

63 UN aid workers are dead. Including 10 in the past 72 hours due to the bombings.

[forgetful]

So it's a bunch of stupid frat boys thinking they are being funny?

Are Jewish students wrong for thinking there is a group at Cornell that wants to commit violence against them?




Anti-Israel graffiti stains Campus Road and Cornell
https://www.thecornellreview.org/cornell-anti-israel-graffiti-messages/

Spray paint on the main sidewalk of Campus Road, depicting messages such as "Zionism = Racism" and "Israel is Fascist" appeared on Wednesday morning.

Some time before 9:00 AM, the graffiti began on Campus Road sidewalks between Olin and Sage Halls on campus. As-yet unknown perpetrators painted messages in red and white spray paint and displayed the following messages along the primary thoroughfare: "Israel is Fascist," "Zionism = Racism," "Free Palestine," and "F*ck Israel."

No idea what the point of your post is, or what you are even asking. But of course there is cause for concern, which is why the entire Cornell community has been denouncing these statements. It is why they have police protecting all Jewish sites on campus, and why they have called in the FBI to get to the bottom of this.

It needs to be rooted out. It is clearly despicable.

[Boozemon Barro]

A galaxy brain move for hamas would be to start attaching a baby to each rocket they fire into Israel. The focus would instantly shift to how many babies the iron dome is killing every day.

[Skatastrophy]

Israeli leaders today said they would target any vehicle in Gaza, because both civilians and Hamas can use cars (that is by definition indiscriminate). This while they dropped leaflets telling the people to leave, presumably in cars.

While they do prioritize military targets, they have made it abundantly clear in both language and actions that they view all Palestinians as complicit if they remain in Northern Gaza.

420 children are dying every day in bombings.

63 UN aid workers are dead. Including 10 in the past 72 hours due to the bombings.

Same thing the US did in Fallujah, except the US gave the Iraquis like 2 days to evacuate. We flattened that place.

Such is warfare against terrorists.

[Lennys Tap]

Lots of people blamed Roosevelt for Pearl Harbor. They still do.
There's plenty of evidence that he and his administration missed - or, for the conspiracy theorists, willfully ignored - signals of an imminent attack. And then there are those who believe Roosevelt goaded Japan into an attack to give the U.S. an entry into WWII.
I'm not saying they're right, but it would incorrect to say Roosevelt didn't get blame.

This is 100% correct. Whether A, B, or C is the real story we'll never know for certain.