Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Pakuni]

I thought everyone knew that the New Testament changed that way of thinking since those practices are not observed by Christians.

Good thing there are no problematic passages in the NT.
Oh ...

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
- Luke 19:27


In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
- Hebrews 9:22

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
- Ephesians 6:5

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
-Corinthians 14:34-35

I can do more, if you like.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

That's one interpretation, Law Dog, but unfortunately that is not the beliefs of many radical Islamists
I have read that Mohammed changed those verses after Islam became dominent  and were not written when Islam was not the majority but  added later on.

   Happy to be educated if I am wrong

[Uncle Rico]

Our founding fathers understood the destruction of religion and its why we have separation of church and state despite what the dingbats holding office think

[MU82]

Good thing there are no problematic passages in the NT.
Oh ...

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
- Luke 19:27


In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
- Hebrews 9:22

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
- Ephesians 6:5

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
-Corinthians 14:34-35

I can do more, if you like.

Not to mention that Christians are happy to refer to the fire and brimstone in the Old Testament if it helps them confirm their narrative of the day, which often is that selective hate is A-OK.

[tower912]

You shall love the Lord, your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.    The second connandment is you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

All other laws and prophets flow from these.

[lawdog77]

That's one interpretation, Law Dog, but unfortunately that is not the beliefs of many radical Islamists
I have read that Mohammed changed those verses after Islam became dominent  and were not written when Islam was not the majority but  added later on.

   Happy to be educated if I am wrong

I was just debating your statement that the Quran gives carte blanche, to kill non believers, which it does not.

[lawdog77]

Good thing there are no problematic passages in the NT.
Oh ...

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
- Luke 19:27


In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
- Hebrews 9:22[/b]

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
- Ephesians 6:5

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
-Corinthians 14:34-35

I can do more, if you like.

I'll start with this one. What is so problematic? In the early covenant, animal sacrifice was used to purify. The new Covenant it was Jesus' blood which led to forgiveness.


Let's go to Matthew 10:34
In the years leading up to Christ's birth, many Israelites believed the arrival of the Messiah would immediately bring a time of great peace and prosperity to Israel. Even Jesus' disciples may have believed this. Jesus has shown through His teaching and miracles that He is, in fact, the Messiah. Now, though, He wants to help His followers understand that the season of political peace will not come soon.

Instead, His arrival will bring great division to the world. He has come to bring a sword. Jesus is not describing the sword of God's judgment, nor one of military action, or of personal violence. The item Jesus refers to here is the Greek term machairan, most often used for large knives such as those used by fisherman. The main purpose of those blades was to separate different parts of a cut of meat—this is the same term used in the book of Hebrews to depict Scripture's ability to separate truth and error (Hebrews 4:12).

In other words, Jesus' message will naturally create division; this "sword" will divide the world into those who believe in Him and those who do not. His arrival will bring great conflict as those who reject Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God will turn in hatred against those who hear and believe (1 Peter 4:3–4; John 15:18–21), including the members of one's own family.

I actually expect better from you Pak.

[Pakuni]

I actually expect better from you Pak.

I actually expected most people (including you, because I tend to think you're smart) would understand my point.
Alas, I'll explain it.

WellsStreet used a literal interpretation of select passages of the Quran to condemn the entire faith and its followers. One could just as easily handpick phrases from the Bible - even the NT - interpret them literally and do the same for Christianity or Judaism.
What you've done here is offer interpretations of these passages. They may even be correct - I'm not smart enough to know exactly what men living nearly 2,000 years ago meant when writing these. But it is nonetheless an interpretation, one that spins these phrases (and Christianity) in the most favorable light possible. Again, I'm not disagreeing, just noting what you're doing.

My point, though, is that literal readings of either holy book can paint a less-than-flattering and inaccurate picture of the faiths.

[lawdog77]

I actually expected most people (including you, because I tend to think you're smart) would understand my point.
Alas, I'll explain it.

WellsStreet used a literal interpretation of select passages of the Quran to condemn the entire faith and its followers. One could just as easily handpick phrases from the Bible - even the NT - interpret them literally and do the same for Christianity or Judaism.
What you've done here is offer interpretations of these passages. They may even be correct - I'm not smart enough to know exactly what men living nearly 2,000 years ago meant when writing these. But it is nonetheless an interpretation, one that spins these phrases (and Christianity) in the most favorable light possible. Again, I'm not disagreeing, just noting what you're doing.

My point, though, is that literal readings of either holy book can paint a less-than-flattering and inaccurate picture of the faiths.

I misinterpreted your point, my apologies. I thought you were going for the point that all religion is bad.

[MU82]

From the NYT:

As Israel's war against Hamas has become an animating force in the Republican presidential primary, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida has cast himself as a staunch defender of the Jewish state, sending taxpayer-funded charter flights to rescue Americans stranded in Israel, calling for harsh measures against the civilians of Gaza and ordering pro-Palestinian groups on public university campuses in his state to disband.

Those efforts, as well as a series of bills he has signed to combat antisemitism in Florida in the past, have won him attention from the news media and praise from some Republican voters.

But Mr. DeSantis has earned fewer plaudits for his response to a series of neo-Nazi demonstrations that have taken place in his state over the last two years. The hateful displays have included masked men marching and chanting "Jews get the rope" and banners with swastikas hung from highway overpasses.

Unlike other prominent Republican politicians in Florida, the governor stayed silent after each incident, making no public statements. When pressed, he has said that he did not wish to draw attention to people he considered provocateurs, and claimed that those calling on him to denounce the groups were trying to "smear" him by association. But his adamant, ongoing refusal to condemn the public activities of neo-Nazis has angered and confused many American Jews while highlighting what critics say is his tendency toward obstinacy. ...

"Look, if you can't say Nazis are bad, which should be the easiest thing in the world to say, then what are you doing?" said (state Rep. Randy) Fine, who is the only Jewish Republican in the State Legislature and was publicly confronted by a neo-Nazi protester this month. "It's important, because Jews are scared."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/28/us/politics/desantis-israel-antisemitism.html

[Skatastrophy]

I misinterpreted your point, my apologies. I thought you were going for the point that all religion is bad.

All religious extremists are bad.

[lawdog77]

All religious extremists are bad.

Has anyone here said otherwise?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

   Read the later chapters of the Quaran where Muhammed changes his tone from living compatibly with all creeds until Islam became dominant and then he writes that non-believers should be converted or put to the sword.
in reply to the query about the Bible allowing selling daughters as slaves and stoning people, I thought everyone knew that the New Testament changed that way of thinking since those practices are not observed by Christians.

Huh. So the word of god isn't immutable?  Or god just changed his/her mind? Or maybe the most current immutable, literal word of god...isn't.

[Heisenberg]

Earlier today, in Chicago's Grant Park ...

The Black Hebrew Israelites (aka Black Jews) battled with the pro-Palestinian protesters in Chicago.

The video shows it got pretty nasty.

https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1718728804288303568?s=20

[Uncle Rico]

Earlier today, in Chicago's Grant Park ...

The Black Hebrew Israelites (aka Black Jews) battled with the pro-Palestinian protesters in Chicago.

The video shows it got pretty nasty.

https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1718728804288303568?s=20

Following Posobiec are you?  Surprised since he's a known anti-Semite

[Pakuni]

Earlier today, in Chicago's Grant Park ...

The Black Hebrew Israelites (aka Black Jews) battled with the pro-Palestinian protesters in Chicago.

The video shows it got pretty nasty.

https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1718728804288303568?s=20

Eh. No arrests and no injuries reported.
Also, it was yesterday. Also, it was Millennium Park.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-20231029-w2pzjglp3zdxnpgo3ncyoffxge-story.html

[Heisenberg]

Eh. No arrests and no injuries reported.
Also, it was yesterday. Also, it was Millennium Park.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-20231029-w2pzjglp3zdxnpgo3ncyoffxge-story.html

Very cavalier attitude about violence on the streets of Chicago.

[Heisenberg]

Following Posobiec are you?  Surprised since he's a known anti-Semite

Is the video doctored? Did this not happen?

If the answer is not to both (which it is), the fact that you felt it necessary to mention this reflects on you, not the incident.

(and for the record, I do not follow him. It was in my feed.)

[Pakuni]

Very cavalier attitude about violence on the streets of Chicago.

I'm more concerned with the real violence in the streets of Chicago - you know, the stuff  some people pretend to care about to score political points  - than two groups of dopes performatively slapfighting.
But by all means, take a minor occurrence and portray it as a sign of the coming apocalypse.  And get your facts wrong along the way. It's where you shine.

[Uncle Rico]

Is the video doctored? Did this not happen?

If the answer is not to both (which it is), the fact that you felt it necessary to mention this reflects on you, not the incident.

(and for the record, I do not follow him. It was in my feed.)

Given traffic to an anti-Semite that is somehow in your feed reflects on you

[Skatastrophy]

Has anyone here said otherwise?

There's people quoting religious texts in a thread about real life, it's concerning.

[forgetful]

Earlier today, in Chicago's Grant Park ...

The Black Hebrew Israelites (aka Black Jews) battled with the pro-Palestinian protesters in Chicago.

The video shows it got pretty nasty.

https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1718728804288303568?s=20

I'm assuming that you don't know anything about the Black Hebrew Israelites movement. Especially since you say aka Black Jews...which is incorrect.

It is a movement that believes that Africans are the actual descendants of tribes of Israel.

They are often accused of, or are viewed as anti-semites. Kyrie Irving tweeted a link to videos from them/their scholars and was accused of anti-semitism and there were calls for him to be kicked out of the NBA.

So, which of the two groups fighting are you against?

[Skatastrophy]

I'm assuming that you don't know anything about the Black Hebrew Israelites movement. Especially since you say aka Black Jews...which is incorrect.

It is a movement that believes that Africans are the actual descendants of tribes of Israel.

They are often accused of, or are viewed as anti-semites. Kyrie Irving tweeted a link to videos from them/their scholars and was accused of anti-semitism and there were calls for him to be kicked out of the NBA.

So, which of the two groups fighting are you against?

Additionally, I don't think the Black Hebrew Israelites are accepted by any well known Israeli/Jewish government or organization.

They're extremists, and they (anecdotally) are proselytizers looking to start a verbal or physical argument. That little slap fight in Chicago with the Palestinian sympathizers was in-character for the Black Hebrew Israelites.

[4everwarriors]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/realignment-iran-biden-obama-michael-doran-tony-badran

[The Sultan]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/realignment-iran-biden-obama-michael-doran-tony-badran

The Tablet? Lol.

Anyway the continued desire of some to blame Obama and Biden for this is laughable. Israel has a far right regime in place. One that decided that it didn't need to adhere to agreements Israel willingly made. But also apparently one who decided to completely ignore Gaza security while spending a lot of time and energy trying to consolidate power internally.

Israelis should be furious fort and foremost at Hamas. But they should also have anger at an administration who took their eye off the ball and didn't keep them safe.

Being angry at the United States for any of this is completely misguided.