Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

In all your years in academia, how many $50 million donors have you come across, hey?

That have actually donated that amount to a particular college or university? Four. That have that potential? Probably about a dozen.

[4everwarriors]

More than I anticipated. And, those 4 don't ask for, nor do they get specials favors or input with university decisions, hey?

[The Sultan]

More than I anticipated. And, those 4 don't ask for, nor do they get specials favors or input with university decisions, hey?

So one of the four was a long time ago and I wouldn't have been exposed to any of that. Two of the other three do not. I could share stories about the last, but not on Scoop.

[Heisenberg]

But none of the four have been under scrutiny like this?

They have never been asked, or are asking, such "uncomfortable" questions BECAUSE they are a donor or trustee.

This is unprecedented.

[The Sultan]

But none of the four have been under scrutiny like this?

They have never been asked, or are asking, such "uncomfortable" questions BECAUSE they are a donor or trustee.

I wouldn't make that assumption.

[Heisenberg]

I wouldn't make that assumption.

CNN is making this assumption

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/24/business/philanthropy-colleges-harvard-upenn-israel/index.html

[Skatastrophy]

CNN is making this assumption

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/24/business/philanthropy-colleges-harvard-upenn-israel/index.html

Harvard has a $50B endowment, UPenn has a $21B endowment. They need no further donations.

May matter for marginal universities like Marquette though, with a <$1B endowment.

[Heisenberg]

Harvard has a $50B endowment, UPenn has a $21B endowment. They need no further donations.

May matter for marginal universities like Marquette though, with a <$1B endowment.

Story says that Universities get about $60 billion/year in donations.

Donors giving more than $1 million make up about 1% of all donors, but slightly more than half the money.

And we all know these are vanity projects to pump up the donors ego.

If the long term result of this is to make donors money look ineffective and the act vain, then they might shift their money to other places.

I'm very open to the idea of giving $60 billion/year to "real" charities is better than putting your name on a extremely wealthy University's building .... But I also think it will change higher education too.

[The Sultan]

Story says that Universities get about $60 billion/year in donations.

Donors giving more than $1 million make up about 1% of all donors, but slightly more than half the money.

And we all know these are vanity projects to pump up the donors ego.

If the long term result of this is to make donors money look ineffective and the act vain, then they might shift their money to other places.

I'm very open to the idea of giving $60 billion/year to "real" charities is better than putting your name on a extremely wealthy University's building .... But I also think it will change higher education too.

The Ivy League, and similar elite schools, aren't really representative of American higher education.

[Pakuni]

I'm very open to the idea of giving $60 billion/year to "real" charities is better than putting your name on a extremely wealthy University's building .... But I also think it will change higher education too.

It won't, because helping poor and sick people doesn't provide the look-at-me ego boost of your name on a building or a seat on the board, much less guaranteed admission for your dopey kids.
This eventually will blow over and it'll be back to business as usual.

[The Sultan]

It won't, because helping poor and sick people doesn't provide the look-at-me ego boost of your name on a building or a seat on the board, much less guaranteed admission for your dopey kids.
This eventually will blow over and it'll be back to business as usual.

Of course it will.

[Heisenberg]

The Ivy League, and similar elite schools, aren't really representative of American higher education.

You'll like this ... donations are a factor in the US News rankings. Will big negative donations send the Ivies tumbling in the rankings next year?

Not that it matters for the Ivies and other such schools. But it would expose the ranking system for the fraud that is.

(In previous threads I have agreed with you that these range SHOULD BE worthless, but unfortunately they are not.

If this makes them worthless ... we can both agree this is a good thing.)

[Heisenberg]

It won't, because helping poor and sick people doesn't provide the look-at-me ego boost of your name on a building or a seat on the board, much less guaranteed admission for your dopey kids.
This eventually will blow over and it'll be back to business as usual.

I fear you are correct

[The Sultan]

You'll like this ... donations are a factor in the US News rankings. Will big negative donations send the Ivies tumbling in the rankings next year?

Not that it matters for the Ivies and other such schools. But it would expose the ranking system for the fraud that is.

(In previous threads I have agreed with you that these range SHOULD BE worthless, but unfortunately they are not.

If this makes them worthless ... we can both agree this is a good thing.)

USN&WR rankings are almost meaningless outside the elite these days. Donations are not much of a factor anyway.

[Heisenberg]

Crossing now...we are now getting involved directly

https://news.yahoo.com/us-strikes-iran-linked-sites-020822123.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military launched airstrikes early Friday on two locations in eastern Syria linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the Pentagon said, in retaliation for a slew of drone and missile attacks against U.S. bases and personnel in the region that began early last week.

The U.S. strikes reflect the Biden administration's determination to maintain a delicate balance. The U.S. wants to hit Iranian-backed groups suspected of targeting the U.S. as strongly as possible to deter future aggression, possibly fueled by Israel's war against Hamas, while also working to avoid inflaming the region and provoking a wider conflict.

[Pakuni]

Crossing now...we are now getting involved directly

https://news.yahoo.com/us-strikes-iran-linked-sites-020822123.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military launched airstrikes early Friday on two locations in eastern Syria linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the Pentagon said, in retaliation for a slew of drone and missile attacks against U.S. bases and personnel in the region that began early last week.

The U.S. strikes reflect the Biden administration's determination to maintain a delicate balance. The U.S. wants to hit Iranian-backed groups suspected of targeting the U.S. as strongly as possible to deter future aggression, possibly fueled by Israel's war against Hamas, while also working to avoid inflaming the region and provoking a wider conflict.

Did it in Marxh.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3339691/us-conducts-airstrikes-in-syria-in-response-to-deadly-uav-attack/

And a minimum 20 times in 2022:
https://airwars.org/research/us-airstrikes-fell-to-historic-low-in-2022-despite-fresh-operations/

[MuggsyB]

Crossing now...we are now getting involved directly

https://news.yahoo.com/us-strikes-iran-linked-sites-020822123.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military launched airstrikes early Friday on two locations in eastern Syria linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the Pentagon said, in retaliation for a slew of drone and missile attacks against U.S. bases and personnel in the region that began early last week.

The U.S. strikes reflect the Biden administration's determination to maintain a delicate balance. The U.S. wants to hit Iranian-backed groups suspected of targeting the U.S. as strongly as possible to deter future aggression, possibly fueled by Israel's war against Hamas, while also working to avoid inflaming the region and provoking a wider conflict.

Good. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Donors are the Board of Trustees. They have the ability to fire staff (including University Presidents and Basketball Coaches).

When Trustees come under fire like this, changes will be made.

Your smart enough to know this.

But instead of arguing for the sake of arguing ....

Imagine your University is losing many millions in donations, Trustees that have not resigned are "really giving it" to University Presidents (google Ken Griffin and Ronald Lauder) and the Donors/Trustees are getting an earful from the friends and professional relationships (google Marc Rowan) ..., What do you think comes of this?

Nothing? "Everything will be fine?"

Weren't you on her like a month ago posting FIRE's free speech rankings and criticizing universities for not doing enough to protect free speech?

Now you want universities to expel students and fire employees for engaging in free speech because some donors are throwing (admittedly very costly) hissy fits?

If you were the champion of free speech that you have claimed to be in the past, you would be applauding universities for standing strong despite the financial cost.

[Hards Alumni]

You may be correct, and they will keep the "s**t for brains" (Cooperman's term above) faculty and students.

And it has already cost the tens of millions of dollars, with a lot more losses coming.

Their endowments are self funding and ever growing.

They're going to be just fine.  Too many rich dipsticks give money to schools that don't actually need it.

[jesmu84]

5000 deaths in Gaza. Of those, 13 Hamas soldiers.

[lawdog77]

5000 deaths in Gaza. Of those, 13 Hamas soldiers.

Source?

[Hards Alumni]

Source?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/26/world/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-israel.html

Will this do? Not to mention the UN staff that has been killed.

That's sort of what happens when you drop more ordinance than the nuclear bomb over Hiroshima on a place where 2.3 million people live.

[JWags85]

5000 deaths in Gaza. Of those, 13 Hamas soldiers.

Was this from Ghazi Hamad?  IDF has noted 3-4 key Hamas leaders that were eliminated in strikes, which Hamas or other sources never refuted, so only 10 other Hamas soldiers were killed?  I find that IMMENSELY hard to believe, regardless of source, unless the source is doing the "unofficial soldiers" of Hamas that are only soldiers until they are killed and then become civilians.

Thats still a concerning and thoroughly depressing amount of civilians, regardless of what the actual reporting is.  Just sobering and horrible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/26/world/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-israel.html

Will this do? Not to mention the UN staff that has been killed.

That's sort of what happens when you drop more ordinance than the nuclear bomb over Hiroshima on a place where 2.3 million people live.

LOL.  Did you even read?  Its from Hamas, their healthy ministry....


Speaking of horrible, take of this what you will, but this is a statement made before anything was done to or near the hospital.  If true, it would surprise absolutely nobody but Hamas apologists...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-hamas-terror-groups-main-operations-base-is-under-shifa-hospital-in-gaza-city/

[jesmu84]

Was this from Ghazi Hamad?  IDF has noted 3-4 key Hamas leaders that were eliminated in strikes, which Hamas or other sources never refuted, so only 10 other Hamas soldiers were killed?  I find that IMMENSELY hard to believe, regardless of source, unless the source is doing the "unofficial soldiers" of Hamas that are only soldiers until they are killed and then become civilians.

Thats still a concerning and thoroughly depressing amount of civilians, regardless of what the actual reporting is.  Just sobering and horrible.

LOL.  Did you even read?  Its from Hamas, their healthy ministry....


Speaking of horrible, take of this what you will, but this is a statement made before anything was done to or near the hospital.  If true, it would surprise absolutely nobody but Hamas apologists...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-hamas-terror-groups-main-operations-base-is-under-shifa-hospital-in-gaza-city/

As far as I understand, both UN and USA have, in the past, stated Hamas reporting of casualties is generally pretty accurate

[forgetful]

Was this from Ghazi Hamad?  IDF has noted 3-4 key Hamas leaders that were eliminated in strikes, which Hamas or other sources never refuted, so only 10 other Hamas soldiers were killed?  I find that IMMENSELY hard to believe, regardless of source, unless the source is doing the "unofficial soldiers" of Hamas that are only soldiers until they are killed and then become civilians.

Thats still a concerning and thoroughly depressing amount of civilians, regardless of what the actual reporting is.  Just sobering and horrible.

LOL.  Did you even read?  Its from Hamas, their healthy ministry....


Speaking of horrible, take of this what you will, but this is a statement made before anything was done to or near the hospital.  If true, it would surprise absolutely nobody but Hamas apologists...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-hamas-terror-groups-main-operations-base-is-under-shifa-hospital-in-gaza-city/

In general, I would be hesitant to believe anything in media during a war. Part of war is winning the image battle, which means all sides will flood the media with propaganda.

Not saying any of the above is wrong. Just cautioning trusting anything implicitly during wartime.