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The Sultan

Well, I said this is not a war for the existence of Israel. But I never said anything about a unity government or said that it should be a simple police action.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MUBurrow

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 25, 2023, 08:38:28 AM
Well, I said this is not a war for the existence of Israel. But I never said anything about a unity government or said that it should be a simple police action.

I probably said its a police action and that I find the "war" label problematic when applied to anything but military conflicts between nation-states.  But that in no way infers anything about "simplicity" or "overreaction."

lawdog77

Sounds like DC is using Dodd's blender to make his point.

4everwarriors

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 25, 2023, 08:38:28 AM
Well, I said this is not a war for the existence of Israel. But I never said anything about a unity government or said that it should be a simple police action.



Your basic premise is totally wrong. Shows complete ignorance and denial of the threat by the surrounding Arab nations to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth, aina?

#from the river to the sea
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Pakuni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2023, 09:17:49 AM


Your basic premise is totally wrong. Shows complete ignorance and denial of the threat by the surrounding Arab nations to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth, aina?

#from the river to the sea

Which surrounding Arab nations are a threat to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, aina?

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2023, 09:17:49 AM
Your basic premise is totally wrong. Shows complete ignorance and denial of the threat by the surrounding Arab nations to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth, aina?

#from the river to the sea


You mean the Arab nations like Jordan, Egypt and the UAE that have signed peace/normalization treaties with Israel?  And Saudi Arabia who was considering doing the same thing just weeks ago? 

Y'all are acting like its still the 1960s and 70s. It isn't. Iran (which not Arab BTW) has been fighting with Saudi Arabia for dominance in the region is trying to break apart a potential alliance with Israel.  There is NO coincidence that this occurred just after rumors of such an agreement started percolating.

This will not become a broader war with other Arab nations. They want nothing to do with this except use words - which could always change if Israel overreacts by the way. This is about Israel fighting with Iranian backed Sunni (Hamas) and Shia (Hezbollah) clients.  They will never publicly say this, but Saudi Arabia would like nothing more than Israel winning this, and weakening Iran in the process.

Stop falling for old and simple narratives. The situation in the mideast has evolved quite a bit. Try to keep up OK?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Skatastrophy

Quote from: Pakuni on October 25, 2023, 09:24:46 AM
Which surrounding Arab nations are a threat to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, aina?

The surrounding Arab nations are more likely to wipe Palestine off the map. Hamas is destabilizing the region and their governments are weak as it is with their own active terrorist groups which are supported by Hamas.

Really hard to pick loosely coordinated extremists out of a crowd of regular folks. Hard to beat them in a war.

lawdog77

Turkey's nut job of a President's comments aren't helping the de-escalation process.

4everwarriors

Quote from: Pakuni on October 25, 2023, 09:24:46 AM
Which surrounding Arab nations are a threat to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, aina?




All of them. They all harbor and fund terrorists, who are funded by Russia and China, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

jesmu84

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2023, 09:45:54 AM



All of them. They all harbor and fund terrorists, who are funded by Russia and China, hey?



Pakuni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2023, 09:45:54 AM



All of them. They all harbor and fund terrorists, who are funded by Russia and China, hey?

Speaking of denial and ignorance of the threat ...

lawdog77

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2023, 09:45:54 AM



All of them. They all harbor and fund terrorists, who are funded by Russia and China, hey?
muslim hater

Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on October 25, 2023, 09:43:32 AM
Turkey's nut job of a President's comments aren't helping the de-escalation process.

All politics is local.

The Sultan

Quote from: Pakuni on October 25, 2023, 09:50:40 AM
Speaking of denial and ignorance of the threat ...


Hunter's laptop...yada, yada, yada...Hamas

It all makes sense now.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2023, 09:45:54 AM



All of them. They all harbor and fund terrorists, who are funded by Russia and China, hey?

Too bad the next person up for speaker wants to cut all funding to Ukraine to fight Russia, the terrorism funders.  What can you do, aina?
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 25, 2023, 10:03:57 AM
Too bad the next person up for speaker wants to cut all funding to Ukraine to fight Russia, the terrorism funders.  What can you do, aina?

Yep. A ridiculous number of Doc's party bends the knee to Putin, who also holds puppet strings to Doc's favorite president. Tucker is constantly defending and/or drooling over Putin.

Who funds Iran? Putin!

Ipso fatso, anybody who votes for any of those politicians or who gives Tucker any credence obviously is a Jew-hater.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on October 25, 2023, 10:11:05 AM
Yep. A ridiculous number of Doc's party bends the knee to Putin, who also holds puppet strings to Doc's favorite president. Tucker is constantly defending and/or drooling over Putin.

Who funds Iran? Putin!

Ipso fatso, anybody who votes for any of those politicians or who gives Tucker any credence obviously is a Jew-hater.

I enjoy pretzels
Guster is for Lovers

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: lawdog77 on October 25, 2023, 09:43:32 AM
Turkey's nut job of a President's comments aren't helping the de-escalation process.
Yeah, Orban just needs to shut up.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Golden Avalanche


The Sultan

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 25, 2023, 11:05:35 AM
Yeah, Orban just needs to shut up.

He's doing what he does - playing more internally than externally and playing off both sides when he has leverage.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB

Let me ask some of you a few questions:

1)  Does Iran want to acquire nuclear weapons? 

A)  Yes
B)  Yes
C)  Yes
D)  Yes
E) They just want to be friends with everyone and create chocolate rivers for the world. 

2)  If Iran has Nuclear capabilities will they try to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

A) Yes
B) Yes
C) Yes
D) Yes
E) Yes

OR

F) They just want nukes for shits and grins? 



The Sultan

#1697
Yes, Iran wants nuclear weapons

No, they don't want to use them on Israel. They will use them for leverage in their disputes with Saudi Arabia and the west. Israel has always been a useful foil for them. Getting rid of them now gets rid of that foil.

Not to mention they would get wiped off the face of the earth if they used them as well.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

#1698
Quote from: lawdog77 on October 25, 2023, 09:51:43 AM
muslim hater

It's pretty much an Arab = Bad viewpoint
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

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Pakuni

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 25, 2023, 11:29:00 AM
Yes, Iran wants nuclear weapons

No, they don't want to use them on Israel. They will use them for leverage in their disputes with Saudi Arabia and the west. Israel has always been a useful foil for them. Getting rid of them now gets rid of that foil.

Not to mention they would get wiped off the face of the earth if they used them as well.

Right.
The mullahs are very keen on maintaining their power in Iran. A nuclear attack on Israel - for all intents a suicide mission - would bring that regime to an end.

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