Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[MuggsyB]

Then why do you care what the "echo chamber" says?  None of the "echo chamber" or what happens on college campuses is changing what Israel will do in the coming days

True.  I care because it suggests people aren't paying attention to reality. 

[Uncle Rico]

True.  I care because it suggests people aren't paying attention to reality.

Reality is, what you want, what any of us want, isn't going to happen.  What's going to happen isn't going to satisfy anyone

[MuggsyB]

Reality is, what you want, what any of us want, isn't going to happen.  What's going to happen isn't going to satisfy anyone

I'll concede part of your point.  My hopes will likely not happen. 

[Uncle Rico]

I'll concede part of your point.  My hopes will likely not happen.

Neither will mine, but I blame Hamas for that and no one else

[CreightonWarrior]

Reality is, what you want, what any of us want, isn't going to happen.  What's going to happen isn't going to satisfy anyone

you lack faith in the power of MUScoop

[ATL MU Warrior]

I'll concede part of your point.  My hopes will likely not happen.

It's beyond bizarre that you are actively hoping for thousands and thousands of deaths.

[MUBurrow]

If anyone is interested in a refresher on the history and competing Palestinian and Israeli territorial claims to the West Bank and Gaza, History Hit with Dan Snow did a great 70 minute podcast last week.  Very straightforward, "just the facts" presentation, interspersed with interviews with a policy analyst at a Palestinian think tank and a professor at Ben Gurion University. 

[Heisenberg]

No.   Calling for a ceasefire is not a fireable offense.  From a UN perspective, it is an obligation.

The question you need to ask before you lose your mind is whether I agree with him.   And my answer to that is no.   Not yet.

How about this? He said Israel deserved it.  Does this get you to "Yet?"
(Isreal called on him to resign)

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"It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing."

[🏀]

How about this? He said Israel deserved it.  Does this get you to "Yet?"
(Isreal called on him to resign)

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"It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing."

Reads like a pretty rational statement from a leader promoting peace amongst nations.

[Pakuni]

How about this? He said Israel deserved it.  Does this get you to "Yet?"
(Isreal called on him to resign)

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"It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing."

No, he didn't say Israel deserved iI. That's a lie.
And nothing in that quote is false.

[Heisenberg]

Reads like a pretty rational statement from a leader promoting peace amongst nations.

Are you also saying Israel deserves it?

Should we have applied this same logic to Al Queda three weeks after 9/11?

[MuggsyB]

It's beyond bizarre that you are actively hoping for thousands and thousands of deaths.

I've stated specifically the scumbags that deserve immediate darkness.  I have not stated that we should target innocent people.  Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Supreme Leader and Mullahs are thousands of people.  If you object to dropping the hammer on all of them we will agree to disagree. 

[Heisenberg]

No, he didn't say Israel deserved iI. That's a lie.
And nothing in that quote is false.

That is your opinion based on how you want to read it.

An opinion cannot lie unless you start with the idea that your personal opinions should be accepted facts based on the idea that it is the only one way to interpret things. So, all alternative ideas are wrong (or lies).

Others disagree with your opinions and think it was not a helpful speech.

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Tensions flared quickly at a special meeting of the United Nations Security Council, with Israel's foreign minister firing back after U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres described "clear violations of international humanitarian law" and called for a cease-fire to address humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people.

"Mr. Secretary-General, in what world do you live? Definitely this is not our world," Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen said, holding up photos of children kidnapped by Hamas. "How you can agree to a cease-fire when someone swore to kill and destroy your existence?" Cohen thanked President Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken for standing with Israel.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

No, he didn't say Israel deserved iI. That's a lie.
And nothing in that quote is false.

Is Douchey playing "fast and loose" with the truth again? Surprising.

[Heisenberg]

No, he didn't say Israel deserved iI. That's a lie.
And nothing in that quote is false.

This is false

The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation.


Israel evacuated all settlements and military forces from the Gaza Strip under the 2005 Disengagement. It has maintained a tight blockade of the territory since Hamas took control in 2007, as has Egypt, with Jerusalem saying it must do so to limit the terror group's ability to arm itself for attacks.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I've stated specifically the scumbags that deserve immediate darkness.  I have not stated that we should target innocent people.  Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Supreme Leader and Mullahs are thousands of people.  If you object to dropping the hammer on all of them we will agree to disagree.

Yeah, that's how nuclear bombs work, they only target the bad guys. Then all the innocent people come out of their shelters unscathed, thank you with tears in their eyes, and offer you their oilfields.

[Pakuni]

That is your opinion based on how you want to read it

No, it's a fact. He did not say the words you claim he did, or anything close to it. You lied. In fact, what he did say - and what you conveniently left out - was:

"I have condemned unequivocally the horrifying and unprecedented 7 October acts of terror by Hamas in Israel.
Nothing can justify the deliberate killing, injuring and kidnapping of civilians – or the launching of rockets against civilian targets."

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/speeches/2023-10-24/secretary-generals-remarks-the-security-council-the-middle-east%C2%A0

[MU82]

He said Israel deserved it.

He didn't say Israel deserved it.

You, on the other hand, did call Scoopers "Jew haters."

You see the "truth" you want to see.

[MuggsyB]

Yeah, that's how nuclear bombs work, they only target the bad guys. Then all the innocent people come out of their shelters unscathed, thank you with tears in their eyes, and offer you their oilfields.

I never wrote we should nuke them.  What I did say is I wasn't against the option if need be.  In that scenario yes, there would be innocent lives lost.  I believe we could accomplish important goals without going the nuclear  route.  I don't like these people TSmith and feel strongly they should no longer be among us. 

[MU82]

I never wrote we should nuke them.  What I did say is I wasn't against the option if need be.  In that scenario yes, there would be innocent lives lost.  I believe we could accomplish important goals without going the nuclear  route.  I don't like these people TSmith and feel strongly they should no longer be among us.

Please tell me you understand how nuclear weapons work. Please tell me you understand that any nuke deployed anywhere in the Middle East will affect the entire Middle East, including Israel.

[🏀]

Are you also saying Israel deserves it?

Should we have applied this same logic to Al Queda three weeks after 9/11?

Vacuum, meet silo.

[Heisenberg]

No, it's a fact. He did not say the words you claim he did, or anything close to it. You lied. In fact, what he did say - and what you conveniently left out - was:

"I have condemned unequivocally the horrifying and unprecedented 7 October acts of terror by Hamas in Israel.
Nothing can justify the deliberate killing, injuring and kidnapping of civilians – or the launching of rockets against civilian targets."

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/speeches/2023-10-24/secretary-generals-remarks-the-security-council-the-middle-east%C2%A0

Yeah bad But ...

Hamas is bad ... BUT ... let's spend 62 pages on Israel and not why Hamas has to pay and pay hard.  One poster does not think this is a war for the existence of Israel. He claims they are overreacting by creating a unity Government. And the Israeli population is way overreacting to what should be a simple police action against a few bad guys.

Hamas is bad BUT ... this has to be in context, not that Hamas is committing war crimes on its people (human shields and not letting them evacuate a war zone). That Hamas provoked this action and they are fully responsible for the coming ground war.

Hamas is bad BUT ... they are not the Palestinian people, even though we cannot find any Palestinian people or their organizations condemning what Hamas did. In fact, we get the opposite: celebration and calls to kill more Jews.

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There should be no moral equivalency between Israel and the Palestinians until the Palestinian people start to distance themselves from their terrorist organization and stop calling for killing the Jews.

The Israelis should view the Palestinians and Hamas like we viewed Germans/Nazis in 1944. (meaning they are the same.)

[🏀]

Yeah bad But ...

Hamas is bad ... BUT ... let's spend 62 pages on Israel and not why Hamas has to pay and pay hard.  One poster does not think this is a war for the existence of Israel. He claims they are overreacting by creating a unity Government. And the Israeli population is way overreacting to what should be a simple police action against a few bad guys.

Hamas is bad BUT ... this has to be in context, not that Hamas is committing war crimes on its people (human shields and not letting them evacuate a war zone). That Hamas provoked this action and they are fully responsible for the coming ground war.

Hamas is bad BUT ... they are not the Palestinian people, even though we cannot find any Palestinian people or their organizations condemning what Hamas did. In fact, we get the opposite: celebration and calls to kill more Jews.

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There should be no moral equivalency between Israel and the Palestinians until the Palestinian people start to distance themselves from their terrorist organization and stop calling for killing the Jews.

The Israelis should view the Palestinians and Hamas like we viewed Germans/Nazis in 1944. (meaning they are the same.)

[The Sultan]

Yeah no sh*t right?

Dude builds strawmen arguments constantly, even like the one above, and then gets all indignant when people say "hey that's a strawman."

[forgetful]

Yeah bad But ...

Hamas is bad ... BUT ... let's spend 62 pages on Israel and not why Hamas has to pay and pay hard.  One poster does not think this is a war for the existence of Israel. He claims they are overreacting by creating a unity Government. And the Israeli population is way overreacting to what should be a simple police action against a few bad guys.

Hamas is bad BUT ... this has to be in context, not that Hamas is committing war crimes on its people (human shields and not letting them evacuate a war zone). That Hamas provoked this action and they are fully responsible for the coming ground war.

Hamas is bad BUT ... they are not the Palestinian people, even though we cannot find any Palestinian people or their organizations condemning what Hamas did. In fact, we get the opposite: celebration and calls to kill more Jews.

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There should be no moral equivalency between Israel and the Palestinians until the Palestinian people start to distance themselves from their terrorist organization and stop calling for killing the Jews.

The Israelis should view the Palestinians and Hamas like we viewed Germans/Nazis in 1944. (meaning they are the same.)

Which poster said the bolded?

And for the bolded+itallicized. There are a ton of them. No one is rushing to put them on television, and many of them are simply trying not to die right now. And many others are just preoccupied with trying to bring attention to their friends and family that are dying in droves, mostly children (getting close to 3000 dead children now), for simply being Palestinian.