Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Uncle Rico]

I only speak for myself.

While you specifically tells us what others not posting here think. 

[Heisenberg]

Did you just link a story from PBS' national news desk and then say it isn't national news?   

I believe I said worldwide ... look again.

The 6-year boy news was so big; this happened 6 days ago in Belgium.

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https://nypost.com/2023/10/16/2-shot-dead-in-brussels-in-possible-isis-retaliation-attack-for-murdered-6-year-old-illinois-boy/

Two Swedes were shot dead in Brussels Monday during a possible ISIS terror attack in retaliation for a 6-year-old Muslim boy who was killed in Illinois over the weekend.

The double murder was reportedly revenge after a Chicago-area landlord allegedly stabbed and killed a 6-year-old boy and seriously wounded his mother on Saturday, purportedly because the tenants are Muslim.

"This person claims to be inspired by Islamic State," Van Duyse added. "The Swedish nationality of the victims was put forward as the probable motive."

[Heisenberg]

While you specifically tells us what others not posting here think.

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because they told me

[Hards Alumni]

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because they told me

"She goes to another school, you wouldn't know her."

[MuggsyB]

That's splitting hairs.  Racism permeates this country

I don't get the point of your comment.  I wouldn't say racism is worse in America than the vast majority of countries in the world.  And as far as splitting hairs?  Perhaps when it comes to Jews/Judaism but Islam/Muslims is not a race.  We're talking about close to 1.5 billion people, the largest populations being in Indonesia and India. 

[Uncle Rico]

"She goes to another school, you wouldn't know her."

They're related to Manti Te'o

[Hards Alumni]

I believe I said worldwide ... look again.

The 6-year boy news was so big; this happened 6 days ago in Belgium.

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https://nypost.com/2023/10/16/2-shot-dead-in-brussels-in-possible-isis-retaliation-attack-for-murdered-6-year-old-illinois-boy/

Two Swedes were shot dead in Brussels Monday during a possible ISIS terror attack in retaliation for a 6-year-old Muslim boy who was killed in Illinois over the weekend.

The double murder was reportedly revenge after a Chicago-area landlord allegedly stabbed and killed a 6-year-old boy and seriously wounded his mother on Saturday, purportedly because the tenants are Muslim.

"This person claims to be inspired by Islamic State," Van Duyse added. "The Swedish nationality of the victims was put forward as the probable motive."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/22/us-synagogue-president-murdered-as-police-warns-against-speculating-motive

You're a clown.

[Uncle Rico]

I don't get the point of your comment.  I wouldn't say racism is worse in America than the vast majority of countries in the world.  And as far as splitting hairs?  Perhaps when it comes to Jews/Judaism but Islam/Muslims is not a race.  We're talking about close to 1.5 billion people, the largest populations being in Indonesia and India.

Fine, anti-semitism and Islamophobia isn't racism, it's something else.

[MuggsyB]

Fine, anti-semitism and Islamophobia isn't racism, it's something else.

Islamophobia is not remotely related or as big of a problem as antisemitism here and across the world.   There are close to a billion Muslims in SE Asia.  Are Indonesians  Pakistanis, Indian populations, and Bangleshis being targeted across the world by Western countries?  By Buddhists?  Christians? Jews? 

[Uncle Rico]

Islamophobia is not remotely related or as big of a problem as antisemitism here and across the world.   There are close to a billion Muslims in SE Asia.  Are Indonesians  Pakistanis, Indian populations, and Bangleshis being targeted across the world by Western countries?  By Buddhists?  Christians? Jews?

Very interesting

[Heisenberg]

CNN reports that IDF commanders have warned they are going into Gaza City and will treat anyone still there as an enemy combatant. They will do their best to prevent civilian deaths, but they will not let the presence of civilians stop them.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-22-23/index.html

And this

Update(1515ET): Hamas has claimed to have repelled a brief Israeli ground incursion, in what marks the first such reported direct ground fight between two sides in Gaza. The Al-Qassam Brigades announced its fighters destroyed two Israeli military bulldozers and a tank as part of an ambush amid the IDF's conducting 'limited' incursions into the strip.

[MU82]

Fifty-eight pages, and I am most vocal of maybe 2 or 3 people against the secular Western progressive view here. And yes, for that, I was banned for a week.

And if the mods want to make another intensely political decision and ban only my point of view, not some of the genuinely hateful views here ... it is their board.

Do you want to see my texts/DMs from lurkers and non-posters and how upset they are by the view on this board and in this thread? Are they legitimately afraid of speaking up out of fear of being Doxxed?

Do you think there are no Jewish fans of MU basketball who read what some posters say here and are not upset?

I'm a "Jewish fan of MU basketball who reads what some posters say here" -- including some of your unhinged views, distortions, and very personal attacks. And yes, some of the excellent points you make, too.

I take it all in, I recognize how complex this situation is, and I don't identify those who disagree with me as "Jew haters."

But you do you.

[Pakuni]

A 6-year-old Palestinian boy in Plainfield, Illinois, is stabbed to death, which is worldwide news. They caught the guy, and I wish Illinois had the death penalty for him.

Meanwhile ... let's all look past this story from yesterday because it does not fit the progressive worldview.

Police seek motive for fatal stabbing of Detroit synagogue president outside her home
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/police-seek-motive-for-fatal-stabbing-of-detroit-synagogue-president-outside-her-home

A Detroit synagogue president was found stabbed to death outside her home Saturday, police said. The motive wasn't known.

Emergency medical personnel declared the woman, identified in a statement from Mayor Mike Duggan as Samantha Woll, dead at the scene, Cpl. Dan Donakowski said.

"While at the scene, police officers observed a trail of blood leading officers to the victim's residence, which is where the crime is believed to have occurred," Donakowski said.

Woll, 40, had led the Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue since 2022 and was a former aide to Democratic Rep. Elissa Slotkin and campaign staffer for Attorney General Dana Nessel, the Detroit Free Press reported.

Police Chief James White said Sunday the investigation into the death of a Detroit synagogue leader Saturday is ongoing, but there is no evidence it was "motivated by antisemitism."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2023/10/22/detroit-police-chief-no-evidence-synagogue-leaders-death-motivated-by-antisemitism/71283432007/

[tower912]

I appreciate the authorities exhorting the public to not jump to conclusions.    If only....

[Heisenberg]

Dror is a friend of mine. This tweet reminds me of this thread.
(bold is my emphasis)

https://x.com/drorpoleg/status/1716198873905934363?s=20

@drorpoleg

13 years ago, I was a student in London. One weekend, I went to a party organized by some students from the University of London's SOAS.

A blond girl approached me and asked where I was from.

Israel, I said.

"Oh, that's so interesting. The history of that region is fascinating. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions?"

Sure.

"Don't you think the idea of nation-states is a social construct of the 19th Century?" she asked.

Yes, I replied, to a large extent.

"So don't you think Israel shouldn't exist?"

I asked her where she was from. She said Latvia.

Latvia, for those not familiar, is a literal "social construct" that was established in 1918 and never existed before. During WW2, Many Latvians collaborated with their Nazi invaders and volunteered to help exterminate more than 70,000 Latvian Jews.

I couldn't help but think about that encounter this week, watching all the useful idiots in prestigious universities who have strong views, but very little knowledge or self-awareness.

So many antisemites don't even realize they're antisemites. They are only "curious" and "want to ask questions."

Somehow, these questions are always pointed only in one direction.

"Nation states are a social construct," so yeah, "Israel shouldn't exist." All other countries can stay.

Pictured: Memorial of the Rumbula Massacre outside, Riga, Latvia, where Nazis soldiers and their Latvian collaborators killed 25,000 Jews. Photo by  Paul Bauman

[Pakuni]

Dror is a friend of mine. This tweet reminds me of this thread.

Nobody has suggested anything of the sort in this thread. Literally not one person has written that Israel has no right to exist.
As usual, you are incapable of having a good faith discussion about what people actually write, so instead you invent things to argue against.

[The Sultan]

Nobody has suggested anything of the sort in this thread. Literally not one person has written that Israel has no right to exist.
As usual, you are incapable of having a good faith discussion about what people actually write, so instead you invent things to argue against.

He regularly builds strawmen and shifts goalposts here on Scoop, but the effort with which he's done both in this topic has been quite remarkable.

[JWags85]

When you've been absent from this thread for a few days...




I think my favorite part of this whole discourse is the idea that Sultan used as a snarky screename automatically aligns him as a Muslim fanatic, leader, and apologist.  Someone tell TallTitan that he's actually a violent pre-Olympian god

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

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because they told me

Remove their names and post screenshots. Otherwise we can all assume you're making s*** up again

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Islamophobia is not remotely related or as big of a problem as antisemitism here and across the world.   There are close to a billion Muslims in SE Asia.  Are Indonesians  Pakistanis, Indian populations, and Bangleshis being targeted across the world by Western countries?  By Buddhists?  Christians? Jews?

I mean, the Rohingya genocide, the Cham genocide in Cambodia, the Uyghur genocide in china, Bosnia in the 90s. All examples of major muslim genocide/ethnic cleansing within the last 50 years, some even ongoing.

I'd say prejudice and racism is a problem across the world. And our country is very much included in that.

Not remotely related? May as well side with H20 and admit they're lesser human beings

[MuggsyB]

I mean, the Rohingya genocide, the Cham genocide in Cambodia, the Uyghur genocide in china, Bosnia in the 90s. All examples of major muslim genocide/ethnic cleansing within the last 50 years, some even ongoing.

I'd say prejudice and racism is a problem across the world. And our country is very much included in that.

Not remotely related? May as well side with H20 and admit they're lesser human beings

I wasn't comparing genocides, the discussion was about antisemitism and Islamophobia in America.  As far as the Cham, the Kymer Rouge killed everyone. You're correct about the Bosnian Muslims in the 90's and the Uyghur situation has been horrible for a long time.  That said ethic cleansing like in Bosnia and the PRC treatment of Uygurs isn't really comparable to ubiquitous antisemitism.  Remember the Holocaust wasn't about ethic cleansing, it was about murdering every Jew on the face of the earth.   And the vitriol towards Israel and also Jews today really isn't about this tiny speck of land.  You also do not see "protests" all over the world and hear things like gas the Muslims.  I don't think there's really a comparison.

[Heisenberg]

Remove their names and post screenshots. Otherwise, we can all assume you're making s*** up again

Do you think Jewish supporters of Israel who are scared and upset with all the "river to the sea" and "gas the Jews" protests come here and see

The moral equivalency
On-campus protests this past week of hateful anti-Semitic words, which get defended under the First Amendment, we all know similar hate said by anti-LGBTQ+, right-to-life, and racist groups would NEVER be tolerated like this.
The contention that the UN said Palestine is a country in the same place as Isreal
The contention is not a fight for the survival of Israel
The doubts that Imans have been told by the Palestinian Authority to call for the murder of Jews this weekend
The focus was on Israel more than the Palestinians
The initial accusation was that Isreal was lying about the hospital bombing
The contention is that Isreal is an apartheid state
The contention that Isreal committed war crimes
The indictment that Isreal violated international law
The fear they are going to commit genocide on the Palestinians
The charge Isreal does not do enough to protest Palestinian civilians, without regard to what the Palestinians did to 1,500 dead Jews and 210 hostages first
The accusation of treating the Palestinians as "sub-human" but not once saying the Palestinians treat the Jews as "sub-human." (except by me, and when I do, I get banned for a week.)

I could go on, but I did not make up this s***. You, and many others in this thread, set the tone of the discussion here, and it never occurred to you how the actual victims of October 7 would view it.

So how about you tell the Jews that suffered a family loss in Isreal, have to go to Synagogue with armed guards in front, turn on the TV to see "gas the Jews" and "from the river to the sea" (including hate speech on MU's campus this week) should feel about these 60 pages? 

How about you tell them why we are an inclusive community for them and how these 60 pages show that?

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So, I'll answer your subsequent response now. I am not stooping to your demand for "pictures," and I do not give a f**k what you think of me.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

On-campus protests this past week of hateful anti-Semitic words, which get defended under the First Amendment, we all know similar hate said by anti-LGBTQ+, right-to-life, and racist groups would NEVER be tolerated like this.

I asked you for examples on this point. You gave two and it turned out that the courts had ruled that the university was correct in both cases. Would you like to try again?  Examples do exist of universities punishing people for free speech. Most of them are from conservative religious universities punishing more progressive free speech (usually because they are within their rights to due to having a little more leeway [or a lot more leeway depending on the institution] due to their religious missions). But there have been a handful of isolated incidents were a liberal university was smacked for attempting to punish conservative free speech, but they are few and far between.

I think you underestimate how much "similar hate by anti-LGBTQ+, right-to-life, and racist groups" gets reported to universities on a daily basis and how the vast majority of that gets dismissed due to it being protected free speech.

It's concerning to me Heisey that you started a thread in the last month criticizing universities for not being more encouraging of free speech and you have so quickly abandoned your principles. I think it was you who said earlier in this thread that we fight to protect terrible speech because non-terrible speech doesn't need protecting. There's truth to that statement. We have seen a lot of terrible speech since October 7. Use your free speech to call out, criticize, lambast, to your heart's content. But don't call on government to punish people for simply using their constitutional rights.

[Heisenberg]

I asked you for examples on this point. You gave two and it turned out that the courts had ruled that the university was correct in both cases. Would you like to try again?  Examples do exist of universities punishing people for free speech. Most of them are from conservative religious universities punishing more progressive free speech (usually because they are within their rights to due to having a little more leeway [or a lot more leeway depending on the institution] due to their religious missions). But there have been a handful of isolated incidents were a liberal university was smacked for attempting to punish conservative free speech, but they are few and far between.

I think you underestimate how much "similar hate by anti-LGBTQ+, right-to-life, and racist groups" gets reported to universities on a daily basis and how the vast majority of that gets dismissed due to it being protected free speech.

It's concerning to me Heisey that you started a thread in the last month criticizing universities for not being more encouraging of free speech and you have so quickly abandoned your principles. I think it was you who said earlier in this thread that we fight to protect terrible speech because non-terrible speech doesn't need protecting. There's truth to that statement. We have seen a lot of terrible speech since October 7. Use your free speech to call out, criticize, lambast, to your heart's content. But don't call on government to punish people for simply using their constitutional rights.

I was referring to this.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1714008395231936620

This is hateful language against Jewish students. I also agree it might be protected speech under the First Amendment.

I fear that University administrators only "discovered" the First Amendment on October 8 for this one topic.

Let's see what happens in the future when student protests against Trans-rights, LBGTQ+, Abortion, and/or race. When affected groups go to the administrators to complain that "violence" is being committed against them, will administrators lecture about the First Amendment like they are Jewish students?

I hope they do, but honestly, I doubt it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I was referring to this.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1714008395231936620

This is hateful language against Jewish students. I also agree it might be protected speech under the First Amendment.

I fear that University administrators only "discovered" the First Amendment on October 8 for this one topic.

Let's see what happens in the future when student protests against Trans-rights, LBGTQ+, Abortion, and/or race. When affected groups go to the administrators to complain that "violence" is being committed against them, will administrators lecture about the First Amendment like they are Jewish students?

I hope they do, but honestly, I doubt it.

And again, groups affected by protected speech against Trans-rights, LBGTQ+, Abortion, and/or race already report to universities daily and universities respond by offering support for the affected while explaining free speech can't be punished by the university.

If universities punishing people for protected speech against "liberal topics" was such a rampant problem as you claim, you must be able to provide some examples. Or is it possible that universities "discovered" the first amendment decades ago and have been championing it since?